If I were to ask you what two men on this planet are most at odds with each other (i.e. the greatest enemies), chances are many people (maybe you included?) would answer:

George Bush and Osama Bin Laden...

Now, from the standpoint of pure logic, I ask you this:

What are the chances, at random, of the two biggest "enemies" on the planet having a mutual connection as close as a brother (Salem) who was friendly enough with the opposite antagonist to start a business with him??

(There is no argument that this was the case. Even establishment media has admitted that Salem Bin Laden--Osama's older brother--and George W. Bush founded Arbusto Energy Corporation together back in the 1980s)

The chances would be what--where's the mathemeticians on this board-- about 1 in 500,000,000 or so??

Now, you can believe the CIA and their cover story about who Osama really is, and believe in the chances of those odds being true, or you can believe in something else (i.e. the truth) that Osama is a CIA control being used to create panic.

Have you ever heard of the Hegelian Dialectic? Thesis-antithesis-synthesis?

If not, read up. George Bush (Thesis) v. Osama Bin Laden (Antithesis) = world government (Synthesis.)



[Edited on 15-4-2004 by mepatriot]

The Bin Laden family is huge. There are hundreds of Bin Ladens. Osama is one of 57 siblings. He disowned long ago by most of the family. There are some interesting interviews out there with people who worked with Salem Bin Laden and they said back in the 80's the Bin Ladens were staying away from him. (Ala the family religious nut) Osama had no ties to the Arbusto deal other than his last name.

And Arbusto was actually formed in 1978. At that time, Osama was a young man who had not quite made the full transformation into what he is today.

O.K., so take the archenemy from a pool of what 30-40 brothers, divide by 3,000,000,000 (the number of men on the earth, and you get, what, 1 chance in 30,000,000?? Odds are better in many state lotteries than that.

You can believe what you like...including this word-for-word rehash of the official government cover story on Osama, but I choose to be a bit more critical.

What if Hitler's younger brother had founded a company with Winston Churchill before WWII...would you have believed that coincidence made the two the world's greatest arch-enemies of that time, also??

Come on, you must suspend disbelief to extreme limits to think that there isn't something extremely fishy about the Bush-Bin Laden connections.

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oh my gosh i wonder if this was clinton with ties to the Bin ladens instead of bush what some of the right wingers and disinfo agents would have to say ,,,,,
IMPEACH......
it doesnt matter...all parties are controlled by the global elite because the parties are controlled by the special interests which are controlled by the corporations which are controlled by the Banks which are controlled by the global elite.....

Right on me patriot ..........

Originally posted by mepatriot
O.K., so take the archenemy from a pool of what 30-40 brothers, divide by 3,000,000,000 (the number of men on the earth, and you get, what, 1 chance in 30,000,000?? Odds are better in many state lotteries than that.

You can believe what you like...including this word-for-word rehash of the official government cover story on Osama, but I choose to be a bit more critical.

Come on, you musy suspend disbelief to extreme limits to think that there isn't something extremely fishy about the Bush-Bin Laden connections.

Word for word re-hash?

The Bin Laden corporation is huge, just as the compainies run by the Bush family. Corporations are out to make a profit, so two companies in the same business investing in each other is not uncommon. Yes, it really goes on....

The facts are out there. Find some interviews with people who worked with closely with the Bin Laden family. They will certainly say that most of the family disowned Osama. The Bin Ladens had a good thing going on and did not want some nut in the family f-ing it up. ie. screwing up the ridiculously great money and life style they had secured.

maybe they're start a whole new breed of oil farmers,
called the Bush Laden's

"The Bin Laden Corporation is huge"--

No... the population of the world is huge. I don't give a rip if some of the filthy rich Bin Laden scum want to second Bush's official line about Osama...wouldn't be worth my time to investigate that. What were they going to say other than what their business ties (and wealth pipeline to the top of the American Empire) force them to say??

WTS: Thanks man, appreciate that. Oh, BTW, I used to be considered an "extreme right winger," back when those labels (left-right) used to mean something. I just call myself a patriot and a supporter of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, and American sovereignty now.

There's only one label (distinction) now, in my mind: You're either for or against world government.

That's what's so hard about Georgie's comment "you're either with us, or you're with the terrorists." So what do we do, George, if the globalists we oppose (including yourself) ARE THE TERRORISTS!!!

Originally posted by mepatriot
"The Bin Laden Corporation is huge"--

No... the population of the world is huge. I don't give a rip if some of the filthy rich Bin Laden scum want to second Bush's official line about Osama...wouldn't be worth my time to investigate that. What were they going to say other than what their business ties (and wealth pipeline to the top of the American Empire) force them to say??

It is worth your time to investigate. I am not talking about stockholders or boardmembers, I am talking about people such as pilots, drivers, managers, etc who worked with the Salem and the rest of the family. Their statements will back my "word for word re-hash."

Just because Osama shared the same last name as Salem does not mean sh*t.

Originally posted by mepatriot

There's only one label (distinction) now, in my mind: You're either for or against world government.

Well, like it or not, countries will eventually be obselete. We can't go on forever with our glorified tribal system.

I don't think it will happen in our lifetimes, but naturally over the next several centuries.

all the political and religous labels are being used by the NWO to divide and conquer......

a malefic entity is running the global elite and its very subtle and very devious

Since you thought of this investigation, be my guest...enjoy. Let me know what you find out.

Family ties don't mean Sh**??? My understanding is that they mean as much (or more) in the Arab world as they do anywhere else. I just can't buy this sudden transformation from CIA operative to the world's worst nightmare in just a few years...like Milt Bearden (CIA's former head of counter-intelligence, now retired) said: "It was just too quick a transformation from Tuesday morning when we had no idea who had done it (the 911 attacks) to Tuesday afternoon when we had it all figured out, that Osama Bin Laden was behind these attacks...I think we need to look elsewhere...to places as of yet unknown to find the real perpetrators." (slightly abridged from memory--as reported...and I have the videotape...on CBS Evenings News 9-12-01.)

Originally posted by mepatriot
"The Bin Laden Corporation is huge"--
wouldn't be worth my time to investigate that.

And this is what promulgates most conspiracy theories...

The odds of two international oil cartels doing business are about 50/50 or BETTER. LOGIC people, let's try some.

m...

Originally posted by Springer

Originally posted by mepatriot
"The Bin Laden Corporation is huge"--
wouldn't be worth my time to investigate that.

And this is what promulgates most conspiracy theories...

The odds of two international oil cartels doing business are about 50/50 or BETTER. LOGIC people, let's try some.
m...

Thankyou very much.


And this?
...like Milt Bearden (CIA's former head of counter-intelligence, now retired) said: "It was just too quick a transformation from Tuesday morning when we had no idea who had done it (the 911 attacks) to Tuesday afternoon when we had it all figured out, that Osama Bin Laden was behind these attacks...I think we need to look elsewhere...to places as of yet unknown to find the real perpetrators."

What does that mean? Nothing. No proof. Just his opinion. Where are the facts? You will trust his CIA word, but not the word of former CIA-head Bush? It seems you only want to hear what you want to hear.


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Facefirst you really need to get a clue. The bush family could give a # about anybody. They have focused on three major industries in the last 75 years; Energy, Intelligence, and military might. Prescott Bush sided wit the Nazi's during and secretly funded the Third Reich. He in essence started WWII. So what's makes you thin that Georgie boy wouldn't want to follow in his Grand pappy's footstep?!??!?!?

Another thing, you think some interview by some random Arab that works for the Ladens is going to corroborate your what you believe?!?!?!?! I think there to worried about getting there hand chopped off to tell the truth on tape!!!!! Wake up!!!! Bush and the Bush family are just like the Laden family, Opportunist. They both have been rich and will remain rich. Some “nut” as you put it will not jeopardize their wealth. I agree with you mepatriot whole heartily

When a former CIA official--the former head of counter-intelligence, no less-- tells you that, and you blow it off as meaningless, I become close to blowing you off the same way...Sorry, but when I quote someone with such impeccable credentials (who also said "Osame Bin Laden is a uniquely American obsession, almost no other nations' intelligence services are as obsessed with Bin Laden as we are") and you treat that as if it doesn't matter, I have to question your objectivity as well.

Originally posted by mepatriot
When a former CIA official--the former head of counter-intelligence, no less-- tells you that, and you blow it off as meaningless, I become close to blowing you off the same way...Sorry, but when I quote someone with such impeccable credentials (who also said "Osame Bin Laden is a uniquely American obsession, almost no other nations' intelligence services are as obsessed with Bin Laden as we are") and you treat that as if it doesn't matter, I have to question your objectivity as well.

Bush has top credentials as a CIA head, but his views are not as valid as another CIA official in your eyes?

Yes, the CIA official said that, but you fail to seem to be able to do one thing..... provide actual cold, hard, irrefutable proof. The CIA official did not provide any proof. He just gave his opinion. I certainly don't take what he said lightly, but it is an opinion, not an affidavit or court testimony.

BTW, as for objectivity, I am an independent voter and I do not care much for the Bush administration. A further more, you are the last one on this board who should be questioning anyone's objectivity.

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Originally posted by DaTruth
Facefirst you really need to get a clue
Another thing, you think some interview by some random Arab that works for the Ladens is going to corroborate your what you believe?!?!?!?! I think there to worried about getting there hand chopped off to tell the truth on tape!!!!! Wake up!!!! Bush and the Bush family are just like the Laden family, Opportunist. They both have been rich and will remain rich. Some “nut” as you put it will not jeopardize their wealth. I agree with you mepatriot whole heartily

Actually, the interviews I read were with Americans who worked privately with Salem. Not "some random Arab" as you so eloquently put it, but people who worked closely with the family and got to know them.

Don't assume anything. Do a little research before insulting me.

And do not assume that I am a Bush fan. I am not.

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Bush, Jr. was never smart enough to be head of the CIA, that was his father...are you confusing the two??

Don't beleive it because it was reported as having been mentioned in an interview! Do the interviewing yourself.

I usually do. (Donn de Grand Pre, Louie Cachiolli, Ziad Jarrah's family in Lebanon, Deanna Burnett--who's husband Tom supposedly said the "Let's role" on FL 93...I've interviewed all of them myself, not taking anybody else's word for what they said.)

I won't waste my time interviewing these Bin Laden flunkies for the very reason stated by "Da Truth" (right on man, and thanks for the support) ...they aren't likely to tell you the truth for the fear for their own lives.