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Federal water may be cut off from Calif. farms

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posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 03:19 PM
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Federal water may be cut off from Calif. farms


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SACRAMENTO - Federal water managers said they may have to cut off all water to some of California’s largest farms as a result of the deepening drought affecting the state.

U.S. Bureau of Reclamation officials said Friday that parched reservoirs and patchy snow and rainfall this year would likely force them to cut surface water deliveries completely. It would be the first time in more than 15 years such a move was taken.

The move would be a blow to farmers, who say the price of some crops would likely rise if they have to rely only on well water. The state estimates it would cause $1 billion in lost revenue and cost 40,000 jobs.
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posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 03:19 PM
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Jesus, Arnold can't catch a break.

He just got some money for his state then they whack him with this!!!! lol

According to the article, the giants of California agribusiness are the biggest economic engine in the valley, which produces every cantaloupe on store shelves in summer months, and the bulk of the nation's lettuce crop each spring and fall.

So now what...food prices go even higher??? Has anyone noticed that they are about the only thing that has not come down in price lately??

Wait...I got it!!! When the NWO takes over, the people who don't have jobs or can't find one will have to irrigate farms in California and pick the produce as well!!!!

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posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 03:23 PM
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Seems like California just has bad luck after bad luck.

Somebody better get a priest in there to do an Exorcism.



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 04:00 PM
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If you dont have a garden planned, I would suggest getting moving on that if you can.

If the growers in CA cant grow, crop prices around the country and maybe world are going to skyrocket.

I hate California for a myriad of reasons, and chuckled at the recent storm of doom they have been hit with, but this one will be felt all over the place.



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 04:17 PM
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No water for california farmers. This adds a little bleach in the wound of the sad state of california. When TSHTF the poor people can not even bug out if they wanted to. Unless you love bugging out in 80+ degrees,



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 04:22 PM
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I travel up and down the once great state of CA for work and I knew this was coming about 2 months ago. I remember thinking that not much has been said about how low the lakes were. I lived here in 76 when we had that bad drought and this looks worse plus substantially more people living here. And yes your food prices will skyrocket, once the machine gets going full swing, with water crisis, food crisis, and any other crisis you can throw on it. This is going to be ugly. Those pictures of people with wheelbarrows of money to buy a loaf of bread might happen again, the way things are going.



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 06:43 PM
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Originally posted by salchanra

If the growers in CA cant grow, crop prices around the country and maybe world are going to skyrocket.

I hate California for a myriad of reasons, and chuckled at the recent storm of doom they have been hit with, but this one will be felt all over the place.


I hear ya! I feel no lost love for that state either.

Supposedly the 5th largest economy in the world and they can't even balance their books well.

What I would do if I could is ask all of the super rich in that state to give a million dollars apiece to help with the budget. Or better yet help build a massive irrigation/desalination system to get the water where they need it.

Silly thought I know, but what the hell.


[edit on 20-2-2009 by wolf241e]



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 06:46 PM
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Originally posted by salchanra
If you dont have a garden planned, I would suggest getting moving on that if you can.

If the growers in CA cant grow, crop prices around the country and maybe world are going to skyrocket.

I hate California for a myriad of reasons, and chuckled at the recent storm of doom they have been hit with, but this one will be felt all over the place.


Wow. Harsh.
Really?

We are all in this together. If you don't know it yet -
You will know it soon.

Better sit back and love your neighbor - no matter where they are from.



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 07:03 PM
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Originally posted by spinkyboo

Wow. Harsh.
Really?

We are all in this together. If you don't know it yet -
You will know it soon.

Better sit back and love your neighbor - no matter where they are from.


Yup, cant stand CA. When I heard they were cutting jobs to fix the giant hole in their pocket I had to snicker. Ever see those commercials with Arnie talking about how great it is to work in CA? Made me sick. Such a beautiful place, and the people are destroying it. Let the illegals pour in, create a government so huge we actually dont know how many people work here, ban lead ammo, tax tax tax, then issue IOU's to the taxpayers, then there are the fine laws of SF, an electrical grid that they cant keep running in the warm months, the bizarre nanny state laws they continue to pump out, etc....

Lots of reasons to hate CA. Now the farmers get nailed on top of it. I wonder if Napa will suffer the same fate or if its only for those who grow food?

Love my neighbor? I do, Canada is nice, people are friendly, say 'eh alot. Not CA. Let it fail, fold up shop and start over. Proof positive that socialism and socialist solutions to problems do not work.



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 07:11 PM
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Hmmm..

But you are talking about more than just California.
This is happening all over.
You can't see that?

What really happened here...?
Did you get jilted or something?
This sounds personal...



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 07:17 PM
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lol. No, I have no personal vendetta against CA or MASS for that matter. However, these are the worst states in the nation when it comes to taking the money, rights, and power from its own citizens. Yes, the rest of the nation and the federal government are following their lead. If we allow cali to crash, maybe the rest of the states will take the time to look and learn why this happened and reverse course.

Yes its harsh, but we keep sugarcoating everything, throwing money at problems, saying everything is going to be allright, when in reality, its not.

Maybe we all need a wake up call like a failed state to reverse this insanity that we are going through now.



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 07:33 PM
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I actually understand what you are saying and...
I'm glad it isn't personal.
I was going to have to feel bad for you - and as you can see -
I'm too busy trying to defend California at the moment to do that.


I'm just saying that the whole system has failed.
Federal to State levels. We are crashing.
California is just a part of the whole -

I sure see this hating of California thing a lot - and frankly I don't get it.
And - I think it breeds contempt for regular folks -
It's kind of civil war mentalitiy.
We aren't in competition here -
We are all struggling... no?

Arnie is scary - I will give you that.
But it appears there is an abundance of lot of scary politicians out there.

Call me silly,
I just see a time when we all are going to need to come together.
There will be a lot of us without food -
because of draught, fires, flooding and manipulation within the government.

We need to stick together -
It's the group of us that have been had.



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 07:33 PM
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Let the Californian food shortage riots begin. There is going to be a lot of action this year in California.

It will be interesting how the people of the US's largest state economy reacts to starvation and record high prices for food and everything else.

Viva California!

[edit on 20-2-2009 by A NeWorlDisorder]


MBF

posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 09:46 PM
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Originally posted by wolf241e




According to the article, the giants of California agribusiness are the biggest economic engine in the valley, which produces every cantaloupe on store shelves in summer months, and the bulk of the nation's lettuce crop each spring and fall.

So now what...food prices go even higher???



I don't know why they would say that, because lots of cantaloupes are grown around here. I wouldn't worry too much about food not being produced, because every year I see thousands of acres of produce rot in the fields because there is no demand or the price is so low that you can't even pay for the gathering of it. Don't blame the farmers for the high prices of the food, we get screwed just like everybody else. The money is made between us and the consumer.



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 10:18 PM
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Originally posted by A NeWorlDisorder
Let the Californian food shortage riots begin. There is going to be a lot of action this year in California.

It will be interesting how the people of the US's largest state economy reacts to starvation and record high prices for food and everything else.

Viva California!

[edit on 20-2-2009 by A NeWorlDisorder]


It will hit everyone.
Not just California.

Can we use the common sense area of our brains here -
instead of wanting the worst for each other?

The world is in trouble -
We are just a microcosm of what is happening around the world.

This mentality just has me totally baffled.
Wanting to see the regular Joe go down.
It's so sad.

You ARE the regular Joe.

[edit on 20-2-2009 by spinkyboo]



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 10:42 PM
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Originally posted by MBF

Originally posted by wolf241e



I don't know why they would say that, because lots of cantaloupes are grown around here. I wouldn't worry too much about food not being produced, because every year I see thousands of acres of produce rot in the fields because there is no demand or the price is so low that you can't even pay for the gathering of it. Don't blame the farmers for the high prices of the food, we get screwed just like everybody else. The money is made between us and the consumer.


Hey there MBF,

I guess that I should have been more clear. I am not blaming the farmers for the increased prices at the grocery store. I know that farmers work their asses off feeding a hungry nation and in some cases the world.

What I should have been clearer on is that this coming shortage plays right into another price manipulation thing to keep the costs to the consumer high.

Money is so tight for everyone and food is going to remain a huge weekly figure for so many families. You'd think that the powers would would fix that a bit.



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 10:44 PM
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What you fail to realise is that California is the 7th largest economy in the world. They also have more fortune 500 companies that any other state. All this wealth and they still manage to screw it up royaly. Last I heard they had a 47 billion dollar deficit.

The state of California is backwards from the top of its government to the bottom of its citizenry and everyone inbetween. They have emplemented ideological programs that have sapped the states budget, they have raised taxes on everything and have talked about raising taxes even more to solve their deficit and even in the face of collapse still refuse to fix the problems that have put them in this situation. California is the blueprint of what not to do with a massive economy. I dont hate Californians specifically, just complete, unrestrained, high octane fueled ignorance and lack of even basic common sense which has run rampant through California for a very long time.

The fall of California will effect the rest of the US and even the world but I wont be jumping off of any buildings and the world will keep turning.

Also, personally, I despise the structuring of the levels of government in the US especially how the Federal governmnet has so much power over the states. I am completely for a more localised form of government on the state level with a weak fedral government, so the idea of a failing federal government does not sway me.

With ruin brings rebirth. May we learn from our mistakes or it was all for nothing.








[edit on 20-2-2009 by A NeWorlDisorder]


MBF

posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 11:33 PM
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Originally posted by wolf241e


Hey there MBF,

I guess that I should have been more clear. I am not blaming the farmers for the increased prices at the grocery store. I know that farmers work their asses off feeding a hungry nation and in some cases the world.


Hey wolf,

You never did even imply that farmers were to blame for the high food prices, but a lot of people just assume that we are. I just wanted to make it clear to those people that that we are not.



What I should have been clearer on is that this coming shortage plays right into another price manipulation thing to keep the costs to the consumer high.


I agree with you 100% that the higher powers that set the food prices will run them up as high as they can. If you want to see a mad farmer, just take him to a grocery store. The last time I grew squash, they were so cheap that I couldn't pay for them to be harvested so I fed them to my cows. When the buyer found out what I had done, he got mad. I told him that If I couldn't make ANY money then I wouldn't be growing any more.



Money is so tight for everyone and food is going to remain a huge weekly figure for so many families. You'd think that the powers would would fix that a bit.



You are right. I have heard that most banks don't want to give farmers loans this year. I know that the bank that my brother works for said they will not be making farm loans this year because they are too risky. I am lucky enough that I can plant a garden. This last year is the first time that I have planted a garden in years.



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 11:34 PM
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Originally posted by A NeWorlDisorder
reply to post by spinkyboo
 


The state of California is backwards from the top of its government to the bottom of its citizenry and everyone inbetween.

I dont hate Californians specifically, just complete, unrestrained, high octane fueled ignorance and lack of even basic common sense which has run rampant through California for a very long time.

Also, personally, I despise the structuring of the levels of government in the US especially how the Federal governmnet has so much power over the states. I am completely for a more localised form of government on the state level with a weak fedral government, so the idea of a failing federal government does not sway me.

With ruin brings rebirth. May we learn from our mistakes or it was all for nothing.

[edit on 20-2-2009 by A NeWorlDisorder]


I don't agree that from the top of its govt to the bottom of it's citizenry and everyone in between .... is backward. This is a bit broad.
There are a choice decision makers like there are in every state -
that generally make things what they are.

But I do agree with the rest of what you say here...

I also will not be jumping off of any buildings -
it should prove an interesting and challenging journey.



posted on Feb, 21 2009 @ 12:09 AM
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Originally posted by wolf241e
... the people who don't have jobs or can't find one will have to irrigate farms in California and pick the produce as well!!!!


This was done once already, during the Dust Bowl. Labor camps were built to house all the newly arriving immigrants from Oklahoma, Arkansas, Texas, and Missouri. As those families left the fields and crops, migrant labor was imported from Mexico, and today those camps house the primarily Latino workers.

Hopefully, with the spigot turned down/off, more farming operations will adopt water saving irrigation practices, as other desert countries around the world do.

God forbid, we have to once again import those pink pistachios


True that, the price of produce (or, say, cereal) does not reflect a huge price paid to the grower. Most cost is added on after the farmer is paid.

Jobs (directly and indirectly) could indeed be lost if crops are not grown. Any out of state business that sells to a California farmer could be affected. Interstate transportation would lose, too.



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