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What I do know is if we ignore them, and let them keep their powerbase, their goal will always be the same, genocide and transhumanism.
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I still maintain that the people who are too cerebral are dangerous to humanity.
People who talk the talk but don't walk the walk could be indicative of some form of psychopathy.
But here is the thing. Our culture didnt get where it is overnight. It isnt going to change overnight. Generations of blacks had to struggle to gain rights here. Women struggled for over a thousand years to gain rights. Big changes dont happen over night, either positive ones, or negative ones.
It doesnt mean the struggle isnt worth it. It just means YOU personally may not benefit from it. Your descendants might. Or maybe their descendants will. But that kind of is what I am talking about. We are every bit as selfish and self centered as our leaders. If we have to sacrifice, and there is a chance we may not immediately benefit, or worse, may never benefit from that sacrifice. Well then it just isnt worth it.
And the suggestion that you can out compete the unethical in business without having a movement of consumers consciously supporting you simply isnt workable.
the invisible hand will always select for efficiency. (The company with the lower costs) Thats the major flaw with a free market. It selects for efficiency. Slavery is highly efficient labor.
Originally posted by RedCairo
I don't know about this really -- I honestly think that the vast, vast majority of people are completely oblivious to all that stuff, and when they hear about it, it seems rather difficult to believe.
They dont know because they dont want to know. Its hard to believe because they dont want to believe.
Originally posted by RedCairo
Most the people I know who *do* know even the most minute fraction of this stuff (and believe it) *do* care about it. They are not all carrying picket signs, or avoiding anything made by company X, so maybe it doesn't count.
And thats the bottom line. Even the people who DO know wont select against things of that nature by making conscious decisions not to buy from company x if company x has the best prices. I can see not having the time or inclination to carry signs, we do lead busy lives. But doing with less so that you dont support psychopathy? That isnt really hard.
Originally posted by RedCairo
There is a max on how much you can stress about. I'm a single mom. I'm at my max daily.
Worrying about what you cannot change. I think about what I can do. I can not buy from Wal-Mart. I can drive less. I can make do with not having tons of cheap junk I just "want" and dont need.
I do think about people in the world who dont have, or who are being exploited by those who do have.
I left business school in my senior year at the top of my class looking at at least 45k a year to switch to philosophy where I am qualified to flip burgers because I decided I didnt want to benefit from that system. I would rather be poor than be that unethical.
And I do empathize with your situation. It is hard to be poor.
What one is able to do DOES vary from person to person, and from time to time in ones life. But every single human on the planet has the option of doing SOMETHING more ethical each and every day. It isnt an all or nothing proposition. Even if the more ethical thing is just leaving an opening in traffic for the guy who wants to pull over. We can all be less self-centered and more caring. It doesnt have to cost a fortune. It doesnt have to cost anything. It just has to be a motive we have, to do better every chance we get. Rather than to shrug our shoulders and say, "well everyone else is doing it, why shouldnt I?" or "well I cant do much, therefore why bother at all?" Little things add up. And small things influence others. Some of who can do bigger things.
I have also been thinking that the only real way that psychopaths could ever be truly selected OUT of the gene pool would be if there were no groups using psychopaths themselves that we had to compete against. (Because obviously a group with a psychopathic leader and the right technology will easily dominate a group with an altruistic leader and the same technology) This "no groups to compete against" is what we are moving towards, (even though many, myself included until I had this thought,) are adamantly opposed to the idea. The whole One World government idea.
Of course initially this one world government would be governed by psychopaths, and having no outside group to fight, they would direct their psychopathy inside the group. Which could provide the impetus for us to decide we really didnt like playing the psychopath game as much as we used to, and could cause us to begin the slow process of eliminating that behavior once and for all.
It would be a natural evolutionary outcome, from the single cell (selfish) organism, to the many celled complex and cooperative organism. Only this time, each human being is a cell and the many celled organism is the species as a whole. Who knows. Too bad I wont be around to see the outcome.
I think you're being somewhat shortsighted on this one. The psychopaths are more organised than people usually accept.
And they have a genocidal gameplan.
Given our current technological landscape, where mind manipulation techniques and automatism is a few decades, perhaps, away from giving these people a totally controllable army, I don't think we should really allow them a functional world government. They would, with little consideration about the consequences, focus that power on the repression of mankind, possibly with the goal of complete extermination.
Remember they are a fear motivated transhumanist crowd.
Again, they have to be downscaled, because if we let them upscale the result will be the worse genocide in human history (it's already going on in stealth, thanks to vaccines, designer diseases, malnourishment, etc) and, in a worse case scenario, the end of human history.
We won't automatically fall into a utopia but we would be better off if we address the problem directly. I say this in principle, the exact hows and wheres is something for further thought.