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Illegal Immigrant - White Caucasian Settlers - Let Truth Be Spoken

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posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 09:31 AM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by jfj123
I've worked very hard for what little I have and I simply can't afford to pay for someone else's taxes, healthcare, etc... and frankly, I shouldn't have to. I don't mind sharing but I don't want to be taken advantage of either.


oh pullleaaaaaaseeeeeeeeeee
you can't afford to pay taxes for human beings who are hungry and want to feed their families

Wow, you just don't get it do you? You have no idea about the topic you even started.
I'm having a hard time feeding my family due to the massive economic downturn. Please send me 20% of your pay. I am not going to do anything for it but I need it. When can I expect the money? If you really believe what you say, you'll send me some money. I'll wait at the mailbox for your check.

While I wait, I'll post some figures so you can actually learn about your own topic.

The specifics of of the laws regarding illegal aliens

Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:

* Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or
* Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
* Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;

has committed a federal crime.

Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.

www.americanpatrol.com...


The illegal immigrant population of the United States is estimated to be about 11 million people, According to a Pew Hispanic Center report, 57% of illegal immigrants are from Mexico, 24% are from other Latin American countries, primarily from Central America,[3] 9% are from Asia, 6% are from Europe and Canada, and 4% are from the rest of the world.

www.americanpatrol.com...


Each year the Border Patrol is making more than a million apprehensions of people who flagrantly violate our nation's laws by unlawfully crossing U.S. borders to work and to receive publicly-funded services, often with the aid of fraudulent documents.

www.americanpatrol.com...


Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. If those numbers are correct, it translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens. That's 21,900 since Sept. 11, 2001.

www.americanpatrol.com...


Apologists for illegal immigration like to paint it as a victimless crime. But in fact, illegal immigration causes substantial harm to American citizens and legal immigrants, particularly those in the most vulnerable sectors of our population--the poor, minorities, and children.

Illegal immigration causes an enormous drain on public funds. The seminal study of the costs of immigration by the National Academy of Sciences found that the taxes paid by immigrants do not cover the cost of services received by them. We cannot provide high quality education, health care, and retirement security for our own people if we continue to bring in endless numbers of poor, unskilled immigrants.

Additionally, job competition by waves of illegal immigrants willing to work at substandard wages and working conditions depresses the wages of American workers, hitting hardest at minority workers and those without high school degrees. Ý

Illegal immigration also contributes to the dramatic population growth overwhelming communities across America--crowding school classrooms, consuming already limited affordable housing, and straining precious natural resources like water, energy, and forestland.

www.americanpatrol.com...

For the record, you're an apologist as described above.


but you can afford subsidizing and comdemning your kids to eternal debt paying for illegal wars, illegal invasions, and mass murdering on a whole level. Ok there there mr. support our troops guy.

When did I ever say I advocated the war in Iraq? NEVER, and I don't.
Like I've told you 3 times already and using your own example, I support our individual troops but not the war or how the bush administration deployed them. Do you get the difference? You should because you've explained the difference. Here's what you wrote. AGAIN !:


posted on 20-2-2009 @ 03:54 PM
I am strong supporter of the division between the people and govt.
and this is globally not just for the western world.

near the bottom of page 12
You say that there is a difference between the individual and the government.
You must also agree that there is a difference between the individual soldier and the soldiers government.
I don't know how many times I'm going to need to explain to you, what your own posts mean.
Do you get it now?
Do you understand that although I support the individual soldier, I may not support the wars the bush administration has dragged us into?
Do you FINALLY get it?


And no, current missions of colonialism is not off-topic
it's very much in-topic.

Not in this thread they're not.


dude your priorities are all screwed up, no offense

Dude both your logic and priorities are all screwed up, no offense.

[edit on 22-2-2009 by jfj123]




posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 09:34 AM
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OK I get it.
I finally understand what's going on with ModernAcademia.
He doesn't understand what he's posting because he's parroting what he's heard or read somewhere else.

It's like trying to show a foreign language to someone who doesn't speak the language.



posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 12:29 PM
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ModernAcademia doesn't care about immigration, he is only here to promote racism. What is with the Iraq is colonialism nonsense. The invasion of Iraq has nothing to do with colonialism, but the Muslim invasion of Africa is colonialism. They aim to finish taking over Africa and controlling it forever.

Every poor person in the world looking to escape from a corrupt third world country can not come and live in the U.S.. A better solution would be to overthrow these corrupt governments, wipe out the brutal thugs who insist on maintaining their grip on power, and establishing a government based on the successful western model, as is now being done in Iraq.

ModernAcademia and those like him have as an agenda to destroy the free world, so that the thugs of the world can treat women like property, and subjugate the average person into following brutally cruel laws, which of course the elites will not have to obey.

The liberal peaceniks need to wake up to the cruel realities of the world outside of western nations. The people who control these third world nations have their own cruel agendas.



posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 01:21 PM
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I love you man. And the mass graves oh those mass graves.

But yea its ok for them to expand there empires with car bombs in public places and the like. But bad bad for a country to go over there and slap them around.



posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
ModernAcademia doesn't care about immigration, he is only here to promote racism. What is with the Iraq is colonialism nonsense. The invasion of Iraq has nothing to do with colonialism, but the Muslim invasion of Africa is colonialism. They aim to finish taking over Africa and controlling it forever.

to remember how many got here in order to deter racism is.. racism?
i'm trying to make ppl want to eliminate intense anti-illegal sentiment and that is racism?

you are just offended at the topic because you know it's true
simple as that

muslims are trying to invade africa
but U.S. isn't trying to control asia?
ummm, did they installed puppet govt.s there like Mussarraf and the shah of iran
and they aren't trying to control it?

wow, what are you smoking?


Originally posted by poet1b
A better solution would be to overthrow these corrupt governments, wipe out the brutal thugs who insist on maintaining their grip on power, and establishing a government based on the successful western model, as is now being done in Iraq.

It's hard to overthrow these corrupt govt.s when the american govt. keeps sending them millions of your taxpayer dollars

sucessful western model?
lollllll
you sound just as neo-conservative and dumb as Mitt Romney
you guys sound so alike


Originally posted by poet1b
ModernAcademia and those like him have as an agenda to destroy the free world, so that the thugs of the world can treat women like property, and subjugate the average person into following brutally cruel laws, which of course the elites will not have to obey.

I have an agenda to destroy the free world?
LOL
i think you got your aluminum hat on a little too tight there bud
treat women like property?
you mean like a country where porn is a billion dollar industry?
You mean like a country where commercial music must have half naked women dancing

sex sells, where does this term come from?

your elected officials are all adulterers

you didn't even allow women to vote for so long

what world do you live in?

the oppression of women is global mr. automaton
just in different forms

and I don't know if you are implying that I am muslim or not
but no I am not if that matters to you

i think you are a paranoid man and you are lost

you think America is a democracy?



posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 03:35 PM
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I sense a lot of vitriol and resentment in your post. To me your message seemed to have an eye for an eye theme to it. If everyone in the world used past abuses as an excuse for further wrong doing, things would just get worse and worse untill we are all living in compleet anarcy. Just because this rancher had ancestors who committed wrongs does not meen he should be subject to abuse. If you really belive in peace and freedom, then be the bigger person, live and let live. Maybe you just do not beilive in private property. In which case we have a fundamental differance of opinion. To me it is wrong to work for something and own it and care for it and then have others come in and vandalize it and abuse it. I believe people have a right to defend thier private property.

I can already see a response to my post being 'what about the native american, didn't they have the rigth to defend thier livelyhood?' To which I will answer you right now so you can save your breath. Of course they did, and what happened was wrong, I am not trying to discount any of that. But if you really believe that what Europeans did to Native americans is wrong then you should agree that what these Mexicans did to this rancher is wrong. Otherwise you are the one who is a hypocrit.



posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 03:35 PM
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Mr. ModernAcademia- Follows a point-by-point response to your transcendentally wise points:

"The Mexican illegal immigrants (invaders, really) criminals and yahoos need to go back where they came from.

Invaders?
What if I asked you what is the U.S.A in iraq?
Are they invaders?
Do you know the definition of a insurgent?"

The whole Iraqi thing is ungodly complex and to me seems out-of-place in this discussion.

Yes, they do remind me of invaders.

"I don't want them dragging down my community with their inferior morals, I don't want them burdening our welfare system. I don't want them conversing in a foreign language in public, which I believe to be staccato and abrupt compared to English, which is graceful and lyrical at its best. I believe many of them consider themselves to be superior to the people whose country they illegally occupy.

How many times do you say YeeeHAWWWwW in one day?
inferior morals, you are funny. hahaha
how about us and our superior morals go invade a country for oil holmes?"

I believe "YeeeHAWWWwW" is a stereotypical string produced by rednecks, I suppose, or southerners, or whatever you had in mind. I've never said that! I drive a modest Corolla, and not a big truck.

"you don't like them conversing in a foreign language?
I don't like you screaming YEeeHAAWwWWWW in the grocery store line"

It's not too burdensome to learn English. There's that YEeeHAAWwWWWW again. Keep that up and we'll have to tranq you.

"dude, you are a disgrace to whoever agrees with you!
go finish your canned beans and sausage."

The canned beans are really quite healthy, less the added sugar, but I'm doing the Atkins thing now and I'm limiting my carb intake.



posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia

i'm trying to make ppl want to eliminate intense anti-illegal sentiment and that is racism?

It's really easy to do. Eliminate illegal aliens from the US.
Do you also want to eliminate anti murderer sentiment?
And anti-rapist sentiment?
Because those are crimes also.



you mean like a country where porn is a billion dollar industry?

Now you bring up porn in the illegal immigrant discussion group?


You mean like a country where commercial music must have half naked women dancing

This is your problem. You GENERALIZE almost everything. You make blanket statements that you can't back up.


sex sells, where does this term come from?

So do a lot of other things such as video games and toys so why didn't you bring those things up too?


your elected officials are all adulterers

OK I'm calling you on this one.
PROVE IT or drop this statement.
PROVE every elected official in the United States is an adulterer. You didn't use any modifiers so by default, you're talking about all of them. Hell even prove that the majority are adulterer.

So it's time for you to start backing up your statements my friend. You've gotten away with making too many claims without evidence to support them. Let's see some hard data.



posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 03:53 PM
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Okay, I can't take this anymore - but - ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Colonialism"?!?!?!??!

"Colonialism is the extension of a nation's sovereignty over territory beyond its borders by the establishment of either settler or exploitation colonies in which indigenous populations are directly ruled, displaced, or exterminated."

That colonialism or are you talking about something else?

Last I checked, they aren't offering US Citizens the oh so once in a lifetime opportunity to move their families over to Iraq. There aren't going to be gated communities of Americans living in Iraq. The "exit" strategy that is upcoming for the withdrawal of combat forces is for an "exit" from the country.

Oh and everyone knows America isn't a democracy. Did you just figure that out and that's why your panties are in a bunch? America is a democratic republic. That's old news.



posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 04:29 PM
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This thread need to be closed, the Topic Starter cannot even back up what he is posting and continually ignores actual discussion, leaving his statements as copy pastes from various things he's heard and seen said before. He has no facts and no desire to address the actual issues of ILLEGAL immigration, opting to claim he wishes to remove the sentiment against ILLEGAL immigration, which is like trying to destroy the negative sentiment against other crimes.

On a side note, someone should start a thread to eliminate the negative sentiment against wars for profit, oil, and Imperialism, because it's not much different from this atrocity here.

[edit on 2/22/2009 by eNumbra]



posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 04:31 PM
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I was beginning to wonder if he wrote that video he posted earlier of if that was his source of information.

[edit on 2/22/2009 by eNumbra]



posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 06:41 PM
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Everyone including me that posted to this thread, are suckers. And now we know who are bigots, and who are ignorant. So maybe this thread did have a purpose in a round about way.



posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 06:51 PM
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I do not have a problem with a man protecting his property. He didn't care if they were crossing the border. He was protecting his cattle which were being slaughtered for food, he was protecting his land which was a "regular" walkway for illegals and drug runners who were dumping plastic balloons, condoms, needles, and other nasty trash in route through his property. The illegal immigrants were fouling his cattle water EVEN AFTER HE INSTALLED A SPIGOT for the illegals to use. They were nasty icky trashy people and drug runners using his particular land since the govt would not assist in protecting a very well-known trail for illegals to use. How would YOU like to have thousands of people you don't know walking through YOUR back yard in the middle of the night? It would freak me out enough to get the gun. I bet you would too.

Get a life and go live on his property with him for a month before bitching about his lack of humanity.

Sincerely,

Fedupwithdumbasses



posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 07:56 PM
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I'm agreeing w/ you - there's a post earlier that I made which is blank now. I deleted the content to see what was going to come after, but now I see.

If enough people send in complaints to the mods about the racist undertone of the original post - they should do something about this thread.

You are right too.

He/She/It does avoid all attempts at logical discussion.

Pathetic really.



posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 09:50 PM
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Originally posted by K.G.B.
Everyone including me that posted to this thread, are suckers. And now we know who are bigots, and who are ignorant. So maybe this thread did have a purpose in a round about way.


Agreed.

This thread should be closed because of it's RACIST undertones.

There is no real debate happening within this thread by the OP. It's obvious he has no intent on posting rational information.

If a mod see's this, I recommend closing this TROLLS bridge of a thread.



posted on Feb, 23 2009 @ 12:08 AM
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I would have to say that this thread is doing a good job of exposing the line of thought that the op supports as nothing but racists contempt.

He speaks of illegal immigration as if it is only a thing practiced by the U.S. while Mexico keeps its southern borders far more tightly controlled than the U.S. does. The op refuses to recognize the numerous barriers other nations put up to immigration. He is not against restricting immigration, only against whites restricting immigration. You can bet when it comes to people immigrating to Israel, he as a completely different opinion.

Since when did the U.S. try to take over Asia? We defeated Japan, and gave them back control of their nation, and helped them to rebuild.

People choose to go into the porn industry of their own free will, and many make a great deal of money doing so. How did sexual liberation ever get confused with sexual slavery as practiced in the Middle East?

The people who support these ideas put on by people like the op clearly have an agenda against whites, and this agenda is being pushed forward in a number of places and needs to be exposed for the lie that it is.



posted on Feb, 23 2009 @ 02:43 AM
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I have read every post in this thread and I do believe you are all right and that this is a vile attempt at racism.

The OP states that he is an Eastern Indian from India. In my experience, they are the most prejudiced people in the world. OP, since your avatar proudly displays the Indian flag, let me ask you about the problem of 'illegal immigration' in that little place in India/Pakistan called Cashmere? How many Pakistanis are dead this year at Indian hands? Or vice versa, how many Indians dead this year? I see your countries policies on immigration are working well too.

How about that caste system? That internal prejudiced, racist system against your own people. Even after being abolished it hasn't quite gone away has it? Untouchables are still untouchables. Prejudice against your own kind.

Or how about the villagers in India who where so prejudiced against their daughter marrying a boy from another village, they invited the family to dinner and slaughtered them?

How about the religious prejudice in India. How many Christians were burned alive in India by hard line Hindu's? I remember 30 in that December Church fire. Or the rape of the nun by the prejudiced Hindu men in that village while the Hindu police watched?

I can see now how being Eastern Indian you feel superior to the white man over prejudice. Even though this entire thread has been about the racism you feel towards the white man.



posted on Feb, 23 2009 @ 05:30 AM
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You are right we were all illegal Immigrants at one time but going back further in history so were Native Americans. No one owns the earth we just use it.



posted on Feb, 23 2009 @ 06:05 AM
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Oh no that this stupid argument again!!!! listen and listen good. The Native Americans you speak of did the same thing. What tribe was on any given piece of land first? Tell me that? Which one? From the begining of time who had it first, who was the first to touch that little bit of land? None of the Indian tribes you know of (oh no he called them Indians) were the first on that land, they practiced the same whole sale slaughter of the people that were there, the same thing we did, we were just better at it. Genocide is the foundation for any strong governemnt. Once you defeat your enemy your rule is the law of the land, plain and simple. It's sad but true. I'm sorry your nieve, but those are the facts. Oh and until there is a law none can break it.



posted on Feb, 23 2009 @ 06:07 AM
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Here's an update about the az rancher


Arizona rancher Roger Barnett initially faced the possibility of paying $32 million to compensate several illegal immigrants he stopped at gunpoint on his land. He walked away instead with a verdict that rejected any notion he violated the trespassers' civil rights and affirmed that U.S. citizens can still detain aliens crossing the border.

At least there's one good part.


What remains to be seen, though, is what impact the $77,800 in damages that a jury Tuesday ordered Mr. Barnett to pay will have on America's larger immigration debate and the efforts of some illegals to get compensation from a country they aren't even allowed to enter.

So now when the illegals show up to get their money, I hope the following happens:
The IRS takes their cut
The attornies take their cut
Then their asked for US ID prior to receiving their money, which they shouldn't be able to get because they're illegal.
The INS should be standing next to the person holding the checks so they can take the illegals into custody and deport them or imprison them



U.S. District Judge John M. Roll, for starters, dismissed the claims of 10 of the illegals because they did not testify at trial.

Why didn't they testify? Surely they've done nothing wrong so why wouldn't they testify?


Judge Roll said the Barnetts, who live in close proximity to the border, could reasonably assume that large groups of people they encountered hiding or trespassing on their property were doing so with the aid of smugglers.

He said entering the United States illegally was a federal felony, for which a citizen's arrest was authorized under Arizona law.


I think it's important to say that part again
"entering the United States illegally was a federal felony, for which a citizen's arrest was authorized under Arizona law"

Which makes them.....CRIMINALS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The jury awarded $17,802 to the six remaining illegal immigrants on their claims of assault and the infliction of emotional distress - $7,500 each to two, $1,400 each to two others and $1 each to the remaining pair. It also ordered Mr. Barnett to pay $60,000 in punitive damages.

$1 for 2 of them for emotional distress.
Who's paying for their court costs?
Who's paying for the court?
Who's paying for everything related to this case?
We the people of the US. The people who are legally here are once again flipping the bill for people who are here illegally.
I won't bother asking if the OP gets it now because it's obvious that is anti-white agenda won't allow him to concede the understanding of this very obvious problem.

Here's the source
washingtontimes.com...



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