Originally posted by fizliz
Originally posted by TruthParadox
How about this one:
If God is all knowing and all powerful, then while he created us, he created our end as well. Thus making him directly responsible for the result.
How then is any sort of judgment, trial, or tribulation not redundant and pointless when dealing with such a God.
He judges a person for how he made them?
He tests someone when he already knows what he will do, and in fact created him/her to do it?
I have heard this question so many times and wondered it myself until I thought about this. What if God knows every single outcome to every problem we
encounter. Couldn't God know where each path leads? For example, let's say I have a test in a week. God know's what will happen should I choose to
not study. He know's what will happen if I study the day before. He know's every single outcome to whichever study method I choose, but it is up to
me to choose from the paths laid out before me. Does that make any sense?
The universe contains all possibilities. God knows all, so he knows all possibilities. You on the other hand do not know all, and so you make a
path through all the possibilities. But you will eventually learn and figure out things. If you put your finger on the stove eye, it will burn
you. Learn the lesson and you don't get burned anymore. Refuse to learn the lesson and you just keep getting burned and burned.
Take a movie. Stretch the film all the way out. In this perspective of the movie it has no time, change or anything. All is known and seen of the
movie at once. This is the perspective of god, or the perspective as someone mentioned the 10th dimension. Now then, take that same film and
turn it into frames, show those frames one after the other, and suddenly because you have a limited perception of the movie, it has time, change and
so forth. This is your perspective, the son's perspective.
Now, if this were a linear reality, then free will and choice do not exist. You are stuck watching whatever the director put into the movie. But as
all possibilities and such are known(all knowing), then it is not a linear movie. There is film strip after film strip laying "next" to each
other. Each film strip is like the one next to it, only slightly different. This enables free will and choice. From your limited perspective, it
still appears to be linear. Because you have taken a linear path across it. But every time you make a choice, you are changing dimensions and
making your own path.
2 future dimensions exist. In 1 you raise your right hand, in the other you raise your left hand. Both exist, both are possible experiences. Which
happens is your choice. You can obviously even choose to do nothing at all.
Time is the movement from 1 of these dimensions/frames to the other. So while it doesn't seem like you are changing dimensions, or moving in the
dimensions, you are.
Now, it is known that you will reap what you sow. Your choices have consequences. Put your hand on the stove eye, it burns you. Go rob a bank,
end up in a dimension where you are in jail. Run for office, maybe end up in one where you are in politics. All there, all known, all possible.
Your choice where you go. This is why Jesus always talks about his path and walking it. Because if you are doing what he says then you will not be
sowing bad things, and you will not reap bad things. You will sow good things and so that is what you will reap.
And this is why hypocrisy is such a huge problem. Because the hypocrite does not see that his actions are equally as bad. And so they continue to
sow and reap bad things. People who think they are justified in their actions actually aren't. If you kill a man because that man killed, then
it is 2 errors, not just 1. The hypocrite doesn't see that his killing was bad, and so he is doomed until he realizes what he does. Thus do not
judge people. You have to actually be the change you want to see. If you are forcing things on others, then you are being a hypocrite and things
will be forced on to you. Because while you may think you are right in doing so, what you are actually saying is - it is ok for 1 human to force
something onto another, and so that is what you will reap.
Pity for hypocrisy, because these people do not really see their errors, and so they think they sow good things, but reap bad things.
This is not what the church does or teaches. It instead gets people to focus on the idol, worship the idol and then the people are kept ignorant to
the truth and lead to do things which go against the path. And of course, this leads to them sowing bad things. They believe Jesus is going to
save them and they won't have to reap what they sow.
Jesus says those who truly believe will follow him and walk the path. And if you actually understand and walk that path, then you are forgiven.
Just like as soon as you remove your finger from that stove eye the source of the burning stops. You might feel a bit of pain for awhile, you might
have to walk out of your own muck, but as you fix your mistakes, they are no longer a problem and thus you are immediately forgiven. Because it is
all in hopes to teach you.
Look at what he actually says, rather than listening to people promising you free gifts and to accept the image of an idol. God rewards with wisdom
and knowledge, the truth sets you free. It is not about ignorance and servitude to authority.
This all seems impossible to someone who see's themselves as flesh that is stuck in a linear dimension. Where free will to them is impossible,
because they see everything as only the single movie film. To realize your true self and nature is to be born anew. To understand you are
soul/consciousness and a son of god, just as Jesus was.
[edit on 19-2-2009 by badmedia]