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Originally posted by nj2day
Originally posted by nj2day
You told us earlier that you need to have a relationship with "the father" to be a good person... You're also lecturing us on this (for lack of a better term) made-up dogma... something completely unique to you... (which is convienient, because you don't have any sort of documents you have to adhere to... you can make it up as you go along... ) And assuming that out of all people in history.. YOU are the one who has it right...
Originally posted by badmedia
Originally posted by TruthParadox
But you don't need the Bible to live a good life...
No you don't need the bible. It's called a personal relationship with the father.
If God is willing to prevent evil, but is not able to
Then He is not omnipotent.
If He is able, but not willing
Then He is malevolent.
If He is both able and willing
Then whence cometh evil?
If He is neither able nor willing
Then why call Him God?
Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Please excuse my bad Grammer English is not my first language.
Apply Occam's Razor.
Religion
Life Created by god
God created by ?
Science
Life created by big bang
Materials and space needed for the big bang created by ?
In theory neither should have existed. Nothing should exist.
Matter cannot be destroyed or created only changed.
reply to post by nj2day
Originally posted by nj2day
Its a pretty weak argument, the OP could have came out stronger than that...
But, the omniscient and omnipotent paradox is well documented...
More popular, and easier to express is the omniscient, omnipotent and omnibenevolent argument... that argument, is literally ancient.... 300 bc or so...
But without further hesitation... here is the Riddle of Epicurus:
If God is willing to prevent evil, but is not able to
Then He is not omnipotent.
If He is able, but not willing
Then He is malevolent.
If He is both able and willing
Then whence cometh evil?
If He is neither able nor willing
Then why call Him God?
Originally posted by nj2day
reply to post by thrashee
Its a pretty weak argument, the OP could have came out stronger than that...
But, the omniscient and omnipotent paradox is well documented...
More popular, and easier to express is the omniscient, omnipotent and omnibenevolent argument... that argument, is literally ancient.... 300 bc or so...
But without further hesitation... here is the Riddle of Epicurus:
If God is willing to prevent evil, but is not able to
Then He is not omnipotent.
If He is able, but not willing
Then He is malevolent.
If He is both able and willing
Then whence cometh evil?
If He is neither able nor willing
Then why call Him God?
Originally posted by nj2day
by definition though, omnibenevolence, omniscience, and omnipotence are mutually exclusive...
Originally posted by nj2day
reply to post by badmedia
Originally posted by badmedia
Originally posted by TruthParadox
But you don't need the Bible to live a good life...
No you don't need the bible. It's called a personal relationship with the father.
right here...
Originally posted by nj2day
Its known as "the problem of evil"... and is actually standard curriculum in college level philosophy classes...
Originally posted by thrashee
Originally posted by nj2day
Its known as "the problem of evil"... and is actually standard curriculum in college level philosophy classes...
With all due respect, I don't debate links, I debate posts.
Originally posted by nj2day
There's no debate than, I stated many times over in this thread, I won't debate philosophy.
I linked that article because I was thinking you were honestly trying to understand the riddle.
There is absolutely no point in arguing philosophy in my opinion, as there are no wrong answers.
At least with what badmedia and I have been going back and forth with... there is a right answer... We might not know conclusively what that answer is, but there is indeed a correct answer for our question...
Originally posted by thrashee
Then why did you join a debate that centers upon God and a logical paradox? This is not an evidential debate, but an entirely philosophical one.
There is nothing to understand, because there is no riddle. As I said, the argument is flawed from the start.
Sure there are. Or rather, there are less logical ones.
It sounds as though you will only argue that which you have some sort of hard evidence for. While on one hand I can understand that, on the other I'd say you're refusing to go out on a limb here. In other words, you're taking an easy way out.
Originally posted by badmedia
Oh please, that's not even close to what I was saying. I was just saying you don't need the bible to learn the things in it. I was saying it in agreement with the statement, and I mentioned the 2nd part because often times Christians put the words of the bible over everything, when they will even admit needing a personal relationship to actually understand what it says.
I don't remember the post exactly off hand, but I'm pretty sure I went on to mention something to the effect that I didn't think I was a bad person before finding out the truth, just a bit blind and ignorant.
Also pretty sure I mentioned that only good people need to be deceived and manipulated to begin with, not the bad people. So maybe next time put things in the correct context?
Originally posted by nj2day
You haven't read my posts have you? It has centered on statistical probabilities, lack of evidence, and burden of proof... While you can use log in philosophy, Logic is not philosophy.
Great! thats awesome! glad you solved it... its been around for 2300 or so years!
Logic is not philosophy. I'm sure you're going to try and debate this fact.. but it quite simply not philosophy...
As far as my opinion, its a waste of time to debate something with no real answer...
Nah, the easy way out would be to remain agnostic on the position. I however, would like to find what "actually is", and not argue about angels on the head of a pin.