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Originally posted by badmedia
Apparently you missed the part where the people who did those things did so out of not understanding the commandments.
Originally posted by badmedia
But by using such examples from the bible as a way of dismissing it all, rather than searching for truth, you are searching for a way to avoid the truth in it. You should separate such things if you are looking for truth.
Originally posted by TruthParadox
Our basic disagreement seems to be that I believe that every decision we make has a reason behind it which is based on everything around us. We are a result of our universe and everything around us.
You believe that a person can make a choice independent of any of that.
But to make a completely independent choice would be like pulling a thought out of thin air. That's impossible. Every single thought that you are thinking now is a result of everything you've experienced and everything you are experiencing - thus, you are a result of the universe and directly tied to it. A million different factors which give us the illusion of choice.
You asked why I even bother arguing if I believe this.
Because all my past experiences have led me to this point.
You say I believe in predestination. But in a sense, don't we all?
In the future, you've already made your choice.
Now take time out of the equation, as it is nothing more than an illusion.
You were never going to make a different choice. It is what it is.
But tell me, how do you make a choice that is independent of a source, or without influence (if that is what you believe)?
Then if the choice is with influence, then it's no more than a result of those influences.
Originally posted by badmedia
You aren't stuck with only the experience for your choices. You can choose whatever you want.
you can believe in nothing..........nothing at all...........pretty lonely out there
Originally posted by TruthParadox
Even God?
What about his actions which I included in that small list?
Was he not following his own commandments?
Or were the people mistaken and it really wasn't God that did those things?
And how do you find truth in the Bible?
Which testimonies do you trust?
Which contradictions do you ignore?
Let me guess... You look inside of yourself and 'seek' the answers.
Basically, you assume.
Many people do this, and because of it many people believe many different things about the Bible.
Ever consider you are no different?
But if you're talking about the good in the Bible, then I'd have to say that Jesus does say some good things - but most of those things are basic...
Treat others with respect and love.
Do no harm to others.
But you don't need the Bible to live a good life...
Originally posted by nj2day
And here you go, insisting that a comfortable lie is better than an uncomfortable truth...
Originally posted by nj2day
The universe is under no obligation to make anyone's life meaningful... In fact, its up to the individual to make something of their life...
Why must the "truth" be warm and fuzzy?
Originally posted by badmedia
Originally posted by TruthParadox
But you don't need the Bible to live a good life...
No you don't need the bible. It's called a personal relationship with the father. The father rewards with wisdom and understanding.
Originally posted by badmedia
No you don't need the bible. It's called a personal relationship with the father. The father rewards with wisdom and understanding.
Originally posted by TruthParadox
No, you don't need a belief in God, Jesus, or any aspect of religion to be a good person.
I've met many atheists who are good people - in most cases, with more morals than the average religious person.
Originally posted by TruthParadox
It seems that some are more comfortable in life by believing in the extraordinary while others are more comfortable in life by simply being honest with themselves.
At the very least, someone who was completely honest with themselves would have to admit that they can not know 100% that any god exists - yet that's so rare in such beliefs that it's almost non-existent.
Originally posted by badmedia
And again this has nothing to do with if god exists or not.
Now I'm done with this thread, better off trying to teach a blind man what the color blue looks like.
Originally posted by nj2day
reply to post by badmedia
I hardly call it a "dumb" thing that you just declared your superiority over people of all other faiths... and told us that we can't be good people because we don't have a relationship with "the father".
I don't find this a minor point in the least...
Originally posted by nj2day
Actually, I think examining the desire of man to have a "warm fuzzy" existence with a divine purpose is at the very heart of whether god exists or not... Especially if we are talking about probabilities. What's more probable, man created god or god created man?
People feel the need to have a god. That does not mean one exists.
Now I'm done with this thread, better off trying to teach a blind man what the color blue looks like.
Awww, just because we won't take your decrees by fiat as rock solid evidence, and insist that you explain yourself in evidentiary terms, you're going to pick up your toys and go home?
Originally posted by badmedia
And the funny part is I am often pointing out those very things - because they aren't what Jesus says to do, and is the opposite of it.
In this entire thread, has 1 thing been mentioned where someone quoted something Jesus said as bad? Go ahead, I'll wait.
Originally posted by badmedia
People feel the need to have a god. That does not mean one exists.
And some people feel the need to not have a god. Guess what, it neither proves or disproves god. It's completely devoid of the topic and was nothing more than a cop out move.
No, I'm just not going to waste my time. All we are going to do is circle around the same discussion. You 2 are right back to attack Christianity as you were before. Round and round you go. I went around once, now I'm stepping off.