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Originally posted by letthereaderunderstand
Do you understand why Jesus is driving the money changers out of "the temple" saying, this is supposed to be a house of prayer for all nations, but you have turned it into a den of thieves"?
Originally posted by Gregor100
If you cant be bothered going to youtube the video says this:
"The god of the bible is claimed to be omnipotent and omniscient.
If you can change the future you are not omniscient.
If you cannot you are not omnipotent.
Pretty hard evidence right there....
[edit on 19/2/09 by Gregor100]
Originally posted by lastxdance
The Bible and the Creations he have made are all the proof people need. Scientists need proof for everything yet its already there. He is not bound by the laws of time or space so for a human being to try to comprehend what kind of being could be like that is useless since we ARE bound by time and space.
Yes I do. You are being a politician now. Point out what a democrat does, and the democrat points at the republican and say's he does it too! Well both are wrong.
Originally posted by nj2day
Originally posted by dbates
God is in the 10th dimension. The Universe is an unchanging static image for him. Imagine yourself looking at a picture of a maze from above with a line drawn to every possible outcome. Changing the outcome is irrelevant since all possible outcomes exist at the same time for God. The attributes omnipotent and omniscient are simply given to help our point of view since that is what they relate to.
Hey Dbates! haven't seen you in a while!
anyway, this 10th dimensional god sounds dangerously like apologetics to me... More "moving the goalposts"...
God was supposed to be in the sky.... but when we achieved flight, and found out he wasn't there... they put him up higher... like in space...
When we made it to space... then things get funky... oh, he's invisible, or 10/11th dimension...
What happens if string theory fails (again, it did in the 90's too). String Theory/M-theory are the ideas that propose all these alternative dimensions...
Will god move somewhere else? or will there always be a fictional dimension somewhere for him to exist in?
On top of that... where are your sources for claiming the 11th dimension? I dont' see it in the bible anywhere...
Oh, I forgot, the bible describes heaven as being in the sky, above the Earth, being supported by giant pillars...
Originally posted by badmedia
But pointing out others do it, like you did with Christians is a political answer. It's the same thing people do all the time when you point out a politician who does something, people from that party point fingers at someone from the other party who does it as well, as if that suddenly makes it ok. So yes, political answer.
I don't care who does it, I don't care what your beliefs are. It's a low level thinking process and it's just not a legitimate way of debating IMO. You are calling me a hypocrite not because of my own actions, but because "Christians do it as well". Well, you are both wrong.
"My dream is that this book may help people come out...the easier it will be for others to join them. There may be a critical mass for the initiation of a chain reaction." Preface
"If this book works as I intend, religious readers who open it will be atheists when they put it down." Page 5
Religion: a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe...a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects...something a person believes in and follows devotedly..." - Webster's
Originally posted by lunarminer
If Supreme Beings exist, then they exist. If they don't, well then they don't. We simply don't have enough information yet, to prove one way or the other.
Originally posted by TruthParadox
No, I'm calling you a hypocrite because you portrayed everyone who uses Occam's Razor to be ignorant, and then you got onto me for portraying Christians as using the same tactics.
My point was simple: You likewise did not give an accurate account of all that use Occam's Razor, and were being just as much of a "politician" as I was.
Seriously, reread my last post, I don't think you got the point I was making.