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Socialism again, really?

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posted on Feb, 19 2009 @ 10:13 AM
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I put this article in the general conspiracy forum because i believe that all people shouting "socialism" need to realize a few of things. This country has been socialist. Not only has it been, but almost every system; highways, air traffic control, SOCIAL security, the armed forces etc are all socialist.
Yes, Obama is a socialist, so are you, and your neighbor, and your police chief, and your churches pastor.
when you pay taxes and receive your returns, that's also socialism.
I think if one person starts shouting socialism, the others will follow. But just take time, put down your pitchforks, and review the truth and history of America before you judge someone as being a socialist, your right, but day to day your a socialist too.


Sean Hannity's Ridiculous War Asainst Socialism




posted on Feb, 19 2009 @ 10:47 AM
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We need more socialism, though. We need to provide for our poor, so that they do not live miserable lives.



posted on Feb, 19 2009 @ 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by sadisticwoman
We need more socialism, though. We need to provide for our poor, so that they do not live miserable lives.


I made poor choices when growing up and worked miserable, labor intensive jobs (when I could find them) until I decided to educate myself because I was sick of living in near poverty.
I have a much better job now and even though i still don't make anywhere near the national average I am happy with what I have worked for. I am a successful person even if my financial status doesn't reflect that.

Wanna know who I blame for not getting to go to college and getting a high paying executive job?......."ME!"

Personal responsibility is an amazing thing.



posted on Feb, 19 2009 @ 11:22 AM
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There can only be so many success stories. There's always going to be poor people. We need to take care of them.



posted on Feb, 19 2009 @ 11:24 AM
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I know I'm gonna get flamed for my idea, but here goes. Why not change the way our system works in America. How about universal health care, demolish the insurance industry,make all necessities of life free(food,water,shelter,heat, basic clothing) Instead of cash for work How about credits for luxuries(alcohol, cigs,designer clothes,boats,etc.) Governments can charge fees and taxes for products produced and shipped overseas. No taxes on its citizens. I know, I know. What a fantasy!



posted on Feb, 19 2009 @ 11:57 AM
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hey good idea, if worked out and implemented bet we'd all have better lives. but we must work with what we got, until then. Too much religious arguing, what side are you on, rich vs. poor nonsense to be anywhere close to an efficient and peacefully functioning world civilization.



posted on Feb, 19 2009 @ 12:26 PM
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America is not on the path towards Socialism it is on a path towards Feudalism.

You will work for peanuts for corporations- and you will get basic clean water and free first aid and government/corporation -approved education in return.

Enjoy your futures, whatever it is.



posted on Feb, 19 2009 @ 12:33 PM
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It shouldn't be what side you are on or even what religion you are. It is a matter of just being human. How do leaders in the world justify even one person going hungry? 800 billion going to the banks while millions go hungry and sick with no hope of any relief. There has to be a better way of running our countries.



posted on Feb, 19 2009 @ 01:09 PM
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Originally posted by sadisticwoman
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There can only be so many success stories. There's always going to be poor people. We need to take care of them.


I do believe there are some people that have had circumstances beyond their control which has placed them in a state where they need help and I believe that is exactly what the welfare system was created for but i'm sorry, the Government has no place to step in and just take care of everyone. It's irresponsible.
A lot of people that want government assistance do not need or deserve it. Hard work and determination is a much better path than laziness and self pity.



posted on Feb, 19 2009 @ 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by ohioriver
I know I'm gonna get flamed for my idea, but here goes. Why not change the way our system works in America. How about universal health care, demolish the insurance industry,make all necessities of life free(food,water,shelter,heat, basic clothing) Instead of cash for work How about credits for luxuries(alcohol, cigs,designer clothes,boats,etc.) Governments can charge fees and taxes for products produced and shipped overseas. No taxes on its citizens. I know, I know. What a fantasy!


How can that possibly work in a country (USA) that imports way more than it exports? Your country would be bankrupt within months. Furthermore, charging more fees and taxes on exports makes that export far less appealing than the same product from another country. It's an idea that cannot possibly work. Giving citizens health care, food, water, shelter, heat, clothing, all for free will result in a country full of drones. No individuality, nothing to differentiate one from another. You would all be working for your government.

Every country absolutely needs socialism to some extent, a country cannot survive without it. However, when that socialism begins to encroach on the civil liberties and freedoms of its citizens, what you have is more akin to communism.

edited to add: ANY universal good or service provided as a federal social program will be rationed. Social services are rationed services, it can't be any other way.

[edit on 19-2-2009 by bronco73]



posted on Feb, 19 2009 @ 10:20 PM
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Listen, you're not understanding. If everyone works harder, then that'll just be expected of them- not everyone can move up! There are way too many lower, crappy positions that don't pay enough, and there always will be. No matter how hard everyone works, there will be millions of people in poverty. Do they not deserve to have health care? The people with the lowest paid jobs tend to work much harder than any CEO or manager or exec has to.



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 09:05 AM
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I do understand what you are saying. I was one of those people for a long time and I do believe that people who take the responsibility to work hard deserve help. the ones i'm talking about are the people that live on welfare, stay home with no job even though they are perfectly capable of working and milk the system. If someone works at a minimum wage job trying to get by then yes, they do deserve some help.
I just don't believe that socialism across the board is the right idea.




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