Should government assist laidoff and "outsourced" Americans?, page 2
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reply posted on 18-2-2009 @ 03:22 PM by mental modulator
Originally posted by Amaterasu
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First off, I hope you will find a GREAT JOB shortly.


Thanks! Me too! [smile]

Second I appreciate that you pointed out your desire to work, be productive and self sufficient.


Thanks. So many think I have not been out there looking. But little do they know how much effort I have been putting into finding another job.

I am not sure why the idea of becoming lazy and unmotivated is such a strong talking point... I assume the people who hold this point of view feel like they wanted to leech when they were between jobs or something..


Or they are looking for reasons to do the Lizard hearted thing - ignore us and maybe we'll go away...?

It is only those that want it to appear that all these people, down on their luck, are there because we choose to be. They want to suggest that we are "lazy," "unmotivated," and other epithets, so as to justify doing nothing. By marginalizing us, they can garner support for leaving us with nowhere to turn to.

It is a purposefully concocted BS to sway the understandings and opinions of the "average Joe." God forbid we try and HELP someone!


Great points...

It is also an easy way to say -" THEY CHOOSE TO BE UNEMPLOYED" - which references "RESPONSIBILITY" - THEREFORE the unemployed are also "IRRESPONSIBLE".

= LAZINESS

it an ingenious equation isn't it?


reply posted on 26-2-2009 @ 10:09 PM by FritosBBQTwist
I am going to base this off of the people I know in my high school.

The amount of kids who are on the path to self destruction is crazy. There are SO many who are careless that not only induce them self in many drugs, but at the same time have grades so poor that they are failing half of their classes, where almost all of them are beyond easy.

They just do not care...and I go to one of the better high schools in the country too, so I can not even imagine what others are like.

Technology is ridding many jobs and leaving good paying ones to high tech fields. Many kids are ruining their chances at a decent college and are not even thinking of college because there is barely any of that idea stressed at the 13-15 year age level, where many kids get involved with bad influences.

So, based off of that - I just get the feeling that there are many people who graduate high school (if that), where they are in such bad terms regarding their social quo - and they get nowhere.

I do not believe THESE people should be getting much government assistance. Some, yes, but on a very time restricted amount.

But, there are those who have had good jobs, and have gotten laid off due to a failing business and what not. These people should be given assistance in harsh times. They still need to prove a good chunk that they are doing their best to find work etc.

Call me evil, but I am for the bettering of society in general. If someone with no qualifications for anything refuses to work at even the fast food level, I have no sympathy for them. In the end, I am here for myself. I will gladly give some tax money for the unfortunate, but NOT the ones who are not, and never will be, motivated.

I stressed this in another post - but in terms of welfare, the only thing I would be for more of it is education.



reply posted on 13-3-2009 @ 06:43 PM by Fox News
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No, if the government wants to help out, they would lower the corporate tax rate, not make it the highest in the world per the Obama idea. Right now, or atleast under the Bush admin, we had the second highest corporate tax rate in the world (behind Japan).

It seems to me the government doesnt want to help out the american ppl, but rather it just wants the american ppl to be more reliant on the government for special services. If the government were serious about helping out the American ppl, the government would drop the corporate tax rate to 0%, abolish the 16th amendmant, and replace the income tax system with a FairTax. This would literally fix the US economy, and supercharge it. Ive heard estimates that the US economy would grow anywhere from 5-10% in the first year of a FairTax...Its time to take back our country! Read the source ive linked above. Deny ignorance!


reply posted on 13-3-2009 @ 07:07 PM by mental modulator
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No, if the government wants to help out, they would lower the corporate tax rate, not make it the highest in the world per the Obama idea. Right now, or atleast under the Bush admin, we had the second highest corporate tax rate in the world (behind Japan).


Well historically speaking the corporate tax rate is low... In IKE EISENHOWERS admin (R) the top 1% was taxed at 90%...

Anyhow, what makes you think reducing corporate tax will help stem outsourcing of jobs?

BUSH cut the 1% and funny enough only the top 1% indicated a strong consistent growth during the corse of the last eight... Yet we are in this position now....

???


reply posted on 13-3-2009 @ 07:10 PM by Fox News
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Look at Ireland...it has one of the smallest corporate tax rates in the world at 12%...

Right now, the US corporate tax rate is maybe 34-35%, which is the second highest in the world...has that benefiited us? How has it benefitted Japan? I also want to abolish all payroll taxes, etc. Read the fairtax page I linked, it says it all perfectly.

[edit on 13-3-2009 by Fox News]


reply posted on 13-3-2009 @ 07:32 PM by mental modulator
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"BUSH cut the 1% and funny enough only the top 1% indicated a strong consistent growth during the corse of the last eight... Yet we are in this position now.... "

I didnt read this bit... You are placing blame where blame need not be placed.

Look up the Community reinvestment act, and how more government oversight and influence inflated a bubble that would collapse the housing sector.


The Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 established the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) in the United States and included banking reforms, some of which were designed to control speculation.[1] Some provisions such as Regulation Q, which allowed the Federal Reserve to regulate interest rates in savings accounts, were repealed by the Depository Institutions Deregulation and Monetary Control Act of 1980. Provisions that prohibit a bank holding company from owning other financial companies were repealed on November 12, 1999, by the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act.[2][3]


en.wikipedia.org...


according to a summary by the Congressional Research Service of the Library of Congress:
In the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, bankers and brokers were sometimes indistinguishable. Then, in the Great Depression after 1929, Congress examined the mixing of the “commercial” and “investment” banking industries that occurred in the 1920s. Hearings revealed conflicts of interest and fraud in some banking institutions’ securities activities. A formidable barrier to the mixing of these activities was then set up by the Glass Steagall Act.[7]





The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, also known as the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Financial Services Modernization Act

The banking industry had been seeking the repeal of the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act since the 1980s, if not earlier. In 1987 the Congressional Research Service prepared a report which explored the case for preserving Glass-Steagall and the case against preserving the act.[1]
The bills were introduced in the U.S. Senate by Phil Gramm (R-Texas) and in the U.S. House of Representatives by Jim Leach (R-Iowa). The third lawmaker associated with the bill was Rep. Thomas J. Bliley, Jr. (R-Virginia), Chairman of the House Commerce Committee from 1995 to 2001. On May 6, 1999, the Senate passed the bills by a 54-44 vote along party lines (53 Republicans and one Democrat in favor; 44 Democrats opposed).[2] On July 20, the House passed a different version of the bill on an uncontested and uncounted voice vote. When the two chambers could not agree on a joint version of the bill, the House voted on July 30 by a vote of 241-132 (R 58-131; D 182-1) to instruct its negotiators to work for a law which ensured that consumers enjoyed medical and financial privacy as well as "robust competition and equal and non-discriminatory access to financial services and economic opportunities in their communities"


en.wikipedia.org...



The bills were introduced in the U.S. Senate by Phil Gramm (R-Texas) and in the U.S. House of Representatives by Jim Leach (R-Iowa). The third lawmaker associated with the bill was Rep. Thomas J. Bliley, Jr. (R-Virginia),


[edit on 13-3-2009 by mental modulator]


reply posted on 13-3-2009 @ 07:42 PM by mental modulator
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whats your point?


My point is the Financial institutions have been creating 35/1 derivative products that created this mess.

The last time these types of products were created and sold was in the 20's.

Both times our economy has gone down the tubes.

What do you reckon caused this mess?



reply posted on 13-3-2009 @ 08:21 PM by Xeven
I think the US government should provide food and medicine to those that are in real trouble. I do not support helping my neighbor who has a larger home, driving a better car with my money.

I would support interest free loans if those getting the loan have a reasonable means and ability to repay it and as long as it must be repaid or lose the house. It also must be available to everyone for a certain number of weeks and or months. If a person stops making payment or dies then the house belongs to the Feds to be resold.

Essentialy the failing banks would get the entire loan value payed off by the Government and the owner would get a low payment interest free loan.
I would set the payments based on the persons age and life expectency of 70. This would make the payment very low. The home could not be resold until payed off. This protects the owners "Home" while not protecting their investment. In other words the owner can take the loan but is stuck with the home and payment for life or until pay off.

This would protect unrelated tax payers from financing their neighbors mistakes or circumstance and limit the opportunity for people who should by all rights lose their home, from using YOUR pay to make a profit by flipping the house.

This would essential be a rest switch but would take many years before Banks would make big profits again on home loans.

It is better than the alternative of having our Grand children pay for our mistakes.

For a little while, only the guys ponding the nails in the houses should be making money on houses.

[edit on 13-3-2009 by Xeven]
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