NY cartoon appears to link Obama to dead chimp, page 4
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reply posted on 18-2-2009 @ 11:46 AM by nyk537
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Now there is some intellectual honesty! Bravo BH.

This was my point as well. The cartoon isn't racist or politically partisan in my opinion.

It's just a reaction to what someone deems to be a disastrous bill...nothing more.

God knows why they thought it would be funny to try and connect it with the chimp story.


reply posted on 18-2-2009 @ 11:47 AM by sos37
Originally posted by MemoryShock
Originally posted by sos37
MemoryShock, you and the OP can get off your high horses, sir. For one, the cartoon does not directly imply that the chimp = Obama.


Yes it does. As far as it represents the Administrations pushing of the bill and the party lines that were clearly shown in the House's vote.


Wow, you're getting all of that from a drawing of a dead monkey with two bullet holes in him and two cops mentioning the stimulus package? Partisanship? The fact that no Republicans supported the stimulus package in the House and three in the Senate supported it?

Your imagination is REALLY working overtime to be able to see all of that with this cartoon. You might as well be reading tea leaves to predict the next bank to go belly up.

I submit that you are seeing what YOU want to see.




The cartoon clearly implies that even a chimpanzee could have written what was in the stimulus package and now that the chimp is dead, they're going to have to find another monkey to do the dirty work.


A picture is worth a thousand words...and implying a devolved mentality could have written the bill is ignorant...as many people aren't versed in the legalese and business rhetoric to accomplish such. Which highlights further the partisan lines being played.


Again with the partisan lines. I seriously don't know where you see a distinction of partisanship in a drawing of a dead monkey. What is one bullet hole supposed to be Democrats and one Republican? I suppose the Republican bullet hole is bigger since Republicans tend to do more damage?

As for people not knowing what they are doing, it's very clear that no one in Obama's administration knows the first thing about how to fix this mess and that can be EASILY proven. Look at Obama's cabinet members! Here's a good paragraph from an article about Timothy Geithner's first failed attempt at the financial crisis:

The lack of a detailed plan is important not just for investors but also for the average worker, mom and student because it means there really is no easy way out of the global economic crisis. It means we have assigned the job of fixing the banking system to the smartest guy the government could find [Timothy Geithner] and surrounded him with every possible resource, and given him plenty of time to think, and still he came up with bupkis.

articles.moneycentral.msn.com...




That's it. That's all it implies. If you see more to it than that I would say it's a reflection of personal issues that you, yourself have. Perhaps some counseling would help?


I implore you to not assume my personal issues; an indirect Ad Hom isn't going to gain my ire.


On another note, you can argue that this administration is different, the people are different, blah blah blah blah blah but the fact is if this were a political cartoon about killing Bush you would probably be laughing it up or finding some means to justify it, so I'll thank you not to play the wounded advocate.


I don't advocate the death of another individual and I don't advocate partisanship. Again with the assumptions...


It's becoming very clear where you stand on things. You just appear to be in self-denial when called on it.


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reply posted on 18-2-2009 @ 11:49 AM by AshleyD
reply to post by nyk537



I agree.

My honest opinion:

1). The cartoon was done in poor taste.

2). I did not associate the chimp with Obama.

3). To me, the stimulus package was the target of criticism.

4). As other said, it is implying the stimulus package was so ridiculous that it must have been created by a chimp.

5). I did not interpret the image as saying someone should be, needed to me, could be, or might be killed.

6). I didn't take it as anything racial because the stimulus package was not a person.




I'll ask you, too. If the dead monkey is not representative of Congress or Obama, then what does it represent?


My immediate impression was of the stimulus package. Then, we can further associate Obama and Congress with the cartoon if we are trying to tie it to a person/group of people.

So, yes. Poor taste but not necessarily personified, IMHO. To me it was a slam against the stimulus package. Not very wise or classy but I'm not going to lose sleep about it either.



reply posted on 18-2-2009 @ 11:52 AM by skeptic1
reply to post by AshleyD



I'm not either, and I guess it is in the eye of the beholder. But, no matter who the dead monkey represents, the cartoon was taking aim (pardon the pun) at the Obama administration and the Democrat-led Congress....via the bill they authored.

It's in bad taste and unnecessary.....and I don't like any of them, but even I can see that.

[edit on 2/18/2009 by skeptic1]


reply posted on 18-2-2009 @ 11:57 AM by LLoyd45
Originally posted by skeptic1
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post by LLoyd45



I'll ask you, too. If the dead monkey is not representative of Congress or Obama, then what does it represent?

And, if it represents neither, then what's the point of the cartoon to begin with?


[edit on 2/18/2009 by skeptic1]
I interpreted the cartoon as saying the bill was written by someone with the mentality of a chimp. They simply were making an allusion to the chimp that was put down recently.

At no time did Obama or any member of Congress cross my consciousness. I know they didn't write the bill. Who actually wrote this awful legislation is the question we all should be asking.

[edit on 18-2-2009 by LLoyd45]


reply posted on 18-2-2009 @ 12:06 PM by AshleyD
reply to post by sos37



I don't get the impression that anyone is coming off as high and mighty. The image is interpretative and people are just chiming in with their own impressions. And of course politics being such a touchy subject, people can become passionate about it. However, as long as we remember it really comes down to interpretation, there is no need for any of us to feel our interpretation is the correct one. I don't think it's fair to accuse them of being on a high horse just as it is unfair to claim anyone who does not agree is also on a high horse. As someone else said, the image is an ink blot.
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