Bin Laden's Hide-out?

ScienceDaily (Feb. 17, 2009) — While U.S. intelligence officials have spent more than seven years searching fruitlessly for Osama bin Laden, UCLA geographers say they have a good idea of where the terrorist leader was at the end of 2001 — and perhaps where he has been in the years since.

In a new study published online February 17 by the MIT International Review, the geographers report that simple facts, publicly available satellite imagery and fundamental principles of geography place the mastermind behind the Sept. 11 attacks against the U.S. in one of three buildings in the northwest Pakistan town of Parachinar, in the Kurram tribal region near the border with Afghanistan.

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posted by jthomas

Bin Laden's Hide-out? Geographers Urge US To Search Three Structures In Pakistan For Bin Laden

posted by jthomas
I am not surprised our resident expert Truthers here haven't even bothered to read the technical paper.

Originally posted by SPreston

posted by jthomas
I am not surprised our resident expert Truthers here haven't even bothered to read the technical paper.

It's a pile of manure. That red dot doesn't look a bit like Usama bin Laden.

Originally posted by tezzajw
I don't know why you're posting about Bin Laden in the 9/11 forums.

According to the FBI, he's not wanted for the 9/11 attacks.

Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks

September 17, 2001 Posted: 11:21 AM EDT (1521 GMT)
DOHA, Qatar (CNN) -- Islamic militant leader Osama bin Laden, the man the United States considers the prime suspect in last week's terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, denied any role Sunday in the actions believed to have killed thousands.

In a statement issued to the Arabic satellite channel Al Jazeera, based in Qatar, bin Laden said, "The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it.

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons," bin Laden's statement said.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

Originally posted by GoldenFleece
What a joke. Most intelligence agencies think Osama bin Laden has been dead since December 2001.

Osama bin Laden: A dead nemesis perpetuated by the US government

Originally posted by jthomas

Originally posted by GoldenFleece
What a joke. Most intelligence agencies think Osama bin Laden has been dead since December 2001.

Osama bin Laden: A dead nemesis perpetuated by the US government

He must really smell by now.

Originally posted by jthomas
Tsk, tsk... Once again, you forget the POWER of Red Dots

Originally posted by ipsedixit
reply to post by jthomas

 

Bingo!!!!! Good work jthomas. The last time they pin-pointed UBL a bombing campaign and invasion followed.

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There must of course be laws to regulate the domestic and foreign affairs of countries and the postures of nations toward each other, but if it happens that these laws compel people to act contrary to their inner conviction, against their conscience, or if the natural development of the free will is impeded, then these laws will have only a destructive effect, and the rulers will have abused their power.

Among such laws of coercion must be counted, for example, compulsory military service.

So long as military service is only "peaceful", the many open air exercises and the discipline can in many ways have a beneficial effect on body and spirit, provided that the officers and superiors act humanely and do not abuse their authority in a degrading and improper fashion. But as soon as the game of war turns to deadly earnest and the soldiers are confronted with stark reality, facing living masses that will become fodder for their cannons, sabres, bayonets and other weapons, when they know that they will become the cause of the maiming or death of many people, then most of them must do violence to their conscience in order to act in the manner demanded by the leadership of their country. The best and the noblest in the souls of such human beings is often destroyed, since in order to deaden the rising abhorrence for the deed they are about to commit they let themselves be gripped by the din and the fury of battle and act blindly in order to avoid thinking of the horror that is before them. These human beings should never be compelled to commit such deeds, since very often it is they who in the battle's confusing and degrading turmoil commit the worst and entirely unnecessary atrocities.

But as long as the law governing compulsory military service exists, it is to no avail that single individuals or several in concert refuse to comply with the duty that is demanded by a country's government, since this kind of insubordination only brings harm to the disobedient and in no way upsets the existing order. In such cases there is but one thing to do: to submit to the duties that are imposed by society, even though performance of such duties clashes with one's innermost feelings. By acting in this way the individual stands with a clear conscience, while the responsibility for these compulsory actions will fall upon those who originate and enforce such laws.

These coercive laws should therefore be repealed by the leaders, the legislators and the rulers; when they realize that such coercion cannot be in harmony with God's desires and purposes, the time will have come for the existing laws to be repealed and replaced by new laws.

In order to provide a transition from present conditions to the time when a general and universal peace among all nations is an accomplished fact, all military service should be a voluntary matter, with no compulsion whatsoever of the individual, since responsibility for the many untimely deaths, the many murders and atrocities and the destruction is placed by God upon the leaders, the legislators and the rulers, even though the individual soldier - the aggressor as well as the defender - must give account of all the unnecessary cruelties of which he is personally guilty. On the other hand, if military service is placed on a voluntary basis until further notice, then the chief responsibility will be evenly divided among all the participants in war, the leaders as well as the soldiers in the field.


All warfare is against God's Will and is in conflict with the laws of the Light, and it benefits neither one nor the other warring nation to call upon God's assistance as supreme war lord; any supplication to God to bless the armaments or to bless the armies, so that under His leadership they may gain victory over their opponents, is therefore a blasphemous prayer.

Any conception of God as war lord or war leader must be rooted out, since all bloodshed, all destruction, all subversion is completely irreconcilable with the nature of God. Again and again God has sought to lead human beings to a complete understanding of love for their neighbours and respect for all that belongs to them. Time and again ever since the dawn of history God's emissaries have proclaimed to human beings: "You shall not kill, nor take by force, nor rob, nor plunder!" But so far the appeal has been in vain, human beings have not yet been able to free themselves from the primal urge of brutish self-assertion through violence to the detriment of their fellow human beings. So long as the individual members of the nations of the world do not unite and strive toward mutual peace and forbearance, so long as human beings cannot with complete faith in God's Fatherliness and Justice place everything in His hand and with trust submit to His leadership, so long as the will of the many is not one with His Will, so long can bloodshed, violence and war not cease, and so long can the hope for peace not be victorious on Earth.

Human beings must overcome the influence of Darkness, overcome hatred, curses, envy and lust for power through belief in God's existence and by trusting His guidance, rather than through prayers for help to crush their enemies and opponents by acts of violence for God never hears and never answers such prayers.

If it could be conceived that an entire people were united in complete trust in God and in the absolute certitude that no evil arising from ambitious, envious or rapacious neighbours could befall them, then even the most evil of designs would fall to the ground, since it would be lost on so unanimous and complete a faith. But where can such a people be found? Humanity is still in its infancy, and centuries or millennia may pass before full understanding of such an unshakeable relationship of trust between God and human beings can be attained. ....

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Thus, all warfare is rooted in Darkness and is brought about by the mutual intolerance of the various nations, which in turn can be attributed to the lust for power of the leaders and the rulers. If the human will for evil thus calls forth fighting and destruction and a war begins, the nation that initiates the hostilities must bear the responsibility for the war of aggression as well as for the war of defence forced upon the other nation and its allies, regardless of the forms that the war may take. And so long as the attacked nation limits itself to the defence of its country, of its rights, the aggressor will continue to be in the wrong. But the moment the defender extends the hostilities to the territory of the aggressor in order to attack rather than to defend, both sides must share the responsibility for whatever takes place from the moment the border into enemy territory is crossed. (The same laws apply if the battles are fought at sea or in the air).

The victory or defeat of the warring parties can in no way be attributed to God. Never does He take part in the hostilities, neither on the side of the aggressor nor on the side of the defender. Only prayers for help to restore peace will be heard by God, but His many and persistent attempts to speak to the leaders as their "conscience" are in most cases rejected.
The victorious party defeats its adversary by virtue of numerical or strategic superiority or the like, or because of the people's common hatred of the enemy and the people's common will to win; but victory is never gained with the help of God.

Any person - civilian or military - who praises, defends and glorifies war in writing or in speech, instead of evoking aversion to this deed of Darkness and enlightening his fellow human beings on the degradation and brutishness of war, is himself placing a heavy burden of responsibility on his shoulders and must, having ended his earthly life, render a detailed account to God of the motivations for his actions.

Even though human beings wage war among themselves, and even though God does not hear their prayers for victory, He never loses sight of them, but seeks either directly or through the disincarnated Youngest to awaken remorse among the leaders, just as He tries in many ways to instil in them an awareness of the injustice and the abuse of power of which they are guilty, so as to bring about a pact of peace before one of the parties succumbs to the superior force; but in the vast majority of cases also these attempts are rejected by human beings. ......."


We should not forget that these warmongers profess to be deeply religious!!

How tragic it is, that they have no idea about the misery that lies ahead of them and
which they have to endure in future incarnations, before they can advance again
spiritually!

Originally posted by Fahrenheit451
There is nothing like the great Aussie barbeque for sorting out the world's problems and mysteries. A couple of weeks ago I was cracking a few tinnies with some mates at such a barby. 9/11 came up. One of the blokes simply says, "If a complete dimwitted idiot like David Hicks could find Bin Laden, why can't the entire US military and intelligence agencies?"

Re David Hicks please Google: David Hicks + Wikipedia

Originally posted by djeminy

Originally posted by Fahrenheit451
There is nothing like the great Aussie barbeque for sorting out the world's problems and mysteries. A couple of weeks ago I was cracking a few tinnies with some mates at such a barby. 9/11 came up. One of the blokes simply says, "If a complete dimwitted idiot like David Hicks could find Bin Laden, why can't the entire US military and intelligence agencies?"

Re David Hicks please Google: David Hicks + Wikipedia

Be very careful F451 or F11 x 123/3! You're doing battle with the Light and thus with the
Truth as well, and as you really ought to know, these two are basically indestructible
and unbeatable.

And you should know too, that I got Jørn Utzon close by my side and therefore would
be no match for you, bearing in mind your intention to merely bring Les Patterson with
you to the 'party'!

Give it up, I beg you! You and him will get thrashed!

Originally posted by Fahrenheit451

Originally posted by djeminy

Originally posted by Fahrenheit451
There is nothing like the great Aussie barbeque for sorting out the world's problems and mysteries. A couple of weeks ago I was cracking a few tinnies with some mates at such a barby. 9/11 came up. One of the blokes simply says, "If a complete dimwitted idiot like David Hicks could find Bin Laden, why can't the entire US military and intelligence agencies?"

Re David Hicks please Google: David Hicks + Wikipedia

Be very careful F451 or F11 x 123/3! You're doing battle with the Light and thus with the
Truth as well, and as you really ought to know, these two are basically indestructible
and unbeatable.

And you should know too, that I got Jørn Utzon close by my side and therefore would
be no match for you, bearing in mind your intention to merely bring Les Patterson with
you to the 'party'!

Give it up, I beg you! You and him will get thrashed!

Jorn Utzon died late last year and nobody messes with our cultural attache, Les Patterson. Kennedy may have said, "Ask not what your country can do for you..." And FDR may have ended prohibition with the words, "It's time for beer." But it was Les Patterson who said, "I've been travelling so much in these past weeks that I haven't had two sh!ts in the same toilet."

Originally posted by GoldenFleece

Originally posted by jthomas

Originally posted by GoldenFleece
What a joke. Most intelligence agencies think Osama bin Laden has been dead since December 2001.

Osama bin Laden: A dead nemesis perpetuated by the US government

He must really smell by now.

Nah, after 7 years, he's just a skeleton that the U.S. government will never let die. What will you say 7 years from now when this mythical global bogeyman STILL hasn't been captured?