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More Parents Refusing Vaccines For Kids

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posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 12:13 PM

More Parents Refusing Vaccines For Kids

CINCINNATI—An increasing number of Ohio parents are using religious exemptions to delay or refuse for immunizations for children amid fears that vaccines contribute to autism.

Ohio Department of Health data shows the number of religious or philosophical exemptions nearly quadrupled in Ohio between 1998 and 2008, though that figure still represents fewer than 1 in 100 children.

All states require children to be immunized for school. Most allow religious exemptions, and Ohio and 19 others also permit exemptions for personal reasons.

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posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 12:13 PM
This is a touchy issue to be sure, so I'll try to be careful how I choose my words.

I can see both sides of the coin on this issue.

I can understand why a parent would not want to forcefully subject their child to a vaccine that may have long term detrimental effects, those which have not been completely proven nor misproven.

I can also see the side of parents who worry about their children being exposed to an environment where other non-vaccinated children may bring these types of diseases into the curricular environment and risk infecting other people.

Let the debate begin....
(visit the link for the full news article)

posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 12:29 PM
I'll start. I'm not an expert by any means on this subject, but I am a parent and I did get my kids vaccinated. The only reason I did get them vaccinated was the fact that my doctor recommended it and I knew that the schools required it. I must admit now though that's not a good reason.

For those of you who have researched the claims specifically related to vaccines and autism, I'd seriously like to get the benefit of your research. Is there any documented, scientific research contradicting what the CDC puts out?

posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 12:41 PM
I don't get it.

If parents don't want their kids to be vaccinated then that should be their right but they should also realize that their child may end up being sick a lot.

As for the people not wanting these unvaccinated children in the school with the children that have been vaccinated.........that one makes no sense to me. If their kids were vaccinated, then what do they have to worry about some kid that hasn't been? I mean, they are protected right? isn't that what the shot was for?

I would ask any Dr or Government official if they would get the shot or have their children receive it and see what their answer is.

I was going to get a flu shot until I asked that question of the medical staff and they all said they would NOT take the shot themselves so no more shots for me, flu or otherwise.

posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 12:43 PM

Parents of kids like Hannah have been fingering vaccines — and, in particular, the mercury-based vaccine preservative thimerosal — as a cause of autism for over a decade, but researchers have repeatedly failed to find a link.

What's unique about Hannah's case is that for the first time federal authorities have conceded a connection between her autistic symptoms and the vaccines she received, though the connection is by no means simple.

Their was also a Rolling Stones Article a while back that did some research into the subject. It just so happened that an increase in Autism just so happened to coincide with the start (or increase?) in the preservative.

I am one who will trust in my kids natural abilities and mine to feed my kids organic and natural foods, vitamin and mineral enriched foods, and the arsenic, fluoride free water.

posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 12:44 PM
Vaccinations should be voluntary only. Worried about the unvax kids? if your kids are vax then it shouldn't matter.

If schools and government should force vaccination, then there needs to be repercussions for when those children have a reaction. And they do. and it is not reported.

I have personally heard of three instances, in my son's age group. where the children got the mmr vaccine and had serious life damaging reactions, and the doctors would not admit that it was the vaccine. one mother took 10 months of badgering to finally get her neurologist to admit it was the vaccine. Her 3 y. o. still can't walk. She was found vomiting and paralyzed in her crib.

A doc friend of the family who works for a vaccine company has hinted that some don't even work.

on some of the vaccines, you have to weight the chance of a reaction to what happens when you get the disease.

I don't believe in vaccinating babies. I had to sign a dozen forms to release mykid from hep b the moment he was born. I absolutely dont' think their little bodies and brains should be exposed for several years.

I fully support a parent having the right to make the choice for their child.

Do you know, that by the time a person is 18 years old a person on average receives 56 vaccinations?

posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 12:58 PM

THE doctor who sparked the scare over the safety of the MMR vaccine for children changed and misreported results in his research, creating the appearance of a possible link with autism, a Sunday Times investigation has found.

Confidential medical documents and interviews with witnesses have established that Andrew Wakefield manipulated patients’ data, which triggered fears that the MMR triple vaccine to protect against measles, mumps and rubella was linked to the condition.

Yesterday, the United State's Vaccine Court Omnibus Autism Proceeding delivered its ruling to three families who claimed that vaccines were the cause of their children's autism. The courts ruled that "the evidence does not support the general proposition that thimerosal-containing vaccines can damage infants' immune systems," thereby ending the case the parents brought before the special court.

The ruling came down not from a single jurist on the bench, but a panel of three "special masters" who were appointed to determine if Michelle Cedillo, Colten Snyder, and William Yates Hazlehurst's autism was caused by either the measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine or the vaccine preservative, thiomersal. These three families were test cases who represented more than 5,000 families that have brought cases before the special court. Each is seeking compensation under the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, a no-fault program funded by a $0.75 per dose tax that is used to pay for injuries resulting from vaccinations.

The concept that the MMR vaccine can cause autism was first proposed by Andrew Wakefield, a British surgeon, and his theory was subsequently picked up by the British media and hyped across the world, causing parents to question whether or not it is in their children's best interest to get vaccinated. Even though numerous subsequent scientific studies were unable to replicate the original results, the hysteria surrounding autism and vaccines remains—to the extent that herd immunity is dropping to dangerously low levels in some areas. Today's ruling put the largest US vaccine court squarely on the side of good science.

Since the beginning of the MMR scare, the number of measles cases has jumped 24%...

But it seems no amount of science or regulation will dispel the suspicions. So around the same time that actress Jenny McCarthy was taking the airwaves to propagate her latest theories on vaccines and autism, newly released figures showed that there were 1,348 confirmed cases of measles in England and Wales last year - and two deaths. That compares with 56 cases in 1998, before Wakefield's paper spawned a cottage industry in fear.

posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 01:11 PM
I'm against it being mandatory, definitely, but I wouldn't want them abolished. I want them available to parents who want them for their kids, but I don't want them forced on people who don't.

From personal experience I'm fairly sure vaccinations are linked to autism. My brother was a healthy normal baby boy until the vaccines. He became very sick and then was never the same again. I'm just convinced of it, the timeline said it all really.

Injecting an adult with mercury based vaccines is one thing, but a child who is still growing, or a baby? Adults are already developed, not to say it's harmless for adults. But putting stuff into a growing child could really mess up their development.

posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 01:17 PM
A couple close to my family lost their only son to a severe reaction immediately following his MMR shot. He was in a coma for a week before being removed from life support.

My kids have not been vaccinated and don't get flu shots. They haven't had any vaccination ( or lack thereof) related issues, and in 12 years (knock on wood) haven't even had the flu. Can't say the same about their schoolmates.

However, another big difference between my children and their friends at school is that they haven't been raised on fast food. We buy meat from the rancher, and grow our own veg.

In my opinion, a healthy, natural diet and an active lifestyle are the only "vaccinations" needed. Let your body's natural defenses do what their supposed to do, because when treated right, they're more powerful than any toxic cocktail we're told we need to pump them full of.

posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 01:18 PM
Reply to SaviorComplex:

So do you think maybe this is just a scare tactic, to make us all fear vaccines, thus creating a new wave of diseases to arise; essentially asking for our own population control?

Makes you wonder....


Rid the damn vaccines of harmful chemicals! Come on FDA (or whoever) do your job! That way we would not have to argue about this anymore.

[edit on 17-2-2009 by Unlimitedpossibilities]

posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 01:23 PM
Here in Canada, you just have to be a conscientious objector, which I am, and have the children instructed to tell them no, if I signed away rights somehow in the general papers in the school year, and to run home, which is close, if they try anything. My oldest son had an unheard reaction from the shots in the province of BC, according to the doctor and the public health nurse, and my youngest also had a bad reaction, and went from sitting up games as usual to a couch potoato muscles, who didn't walk until he was 14 months, though they all did at 11 months before him. That was when he finally sat up. The apraxia he has that affects his speech, learning, and muscles (physical apraxia also) may very well have been related to his shots, and my doctor couldn't tell me it wasn't, she didn't know, because he was progressing normally up until then.

He only got the one!
[edit on 17-2-2009 by mystiq]

[edit on 17-2-2009 by mystiq]

posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 01:23 PM
How about this DD, The kids that are already vaccinated are probably not gonna get the disease as their body has already been injcted with the immunization. The onl kids at risk are the ones that have not been vaccinated. So either you:

A) get your kid vaccinated.


B) realise that since your kid is not vaccinated others may not be as well and you are playing roulette with your kids life.

Forced vaccination? Hell no, it's all about natural selection. Let the ones that don't want it be the ones that have a better chance of getting it.

Sound harsh? It's as nature intended it.

posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 01:27 PM
How about this instead, until they take all harmful heavy metal, toxins, diseases (I've heard of some very strange things in vaccines including fetal tissue and cancer) out of these shots, no one gets them. Our children are precious. Its better to boost their immune systems with vitamins and nutrients, and demand they release the real cures for things they sit on, instead of supporting their pharmaceuctical companies. On that line of thought, thorough, and independent investigations should be done to see how many charges can be laid.

posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 01:29 PM
I've had all my vaccinations so far except meningitis and HPV (and I'm getting those soon, even though I'm a total needle-phobe... seriously). And I haven't gotten mercury poisoning.... BUT. Here's a story:
When I was a baby and got the first set of DPT shots, I got a really high fever. So of course, they were like "uh oh, don't give her another shot, she might get autism..." So they didn't and I didn't get autism. BUT.

Fast forward about 11 and a half years. Suddenly I get a really awful cough, get super, super sick. I miss school for three months. I'm on tons of medication. My lungs practically shut down. Uh oh, what happened?

Oh, I got Pertussis (whooping cough). You bet I wish I could have gotten the full DPT.

I was also otherwise healthy, awesome diet, lots of exercise, took vitamins and stuff. Right. I didn't get the vaccine and somehow picked it up and got killer sick. And I went to school with it in the beginning and guess, what? Basically no one caught it, because they had all had the DPT. My dad got it, because the vaccine wears off after a long time, but he didn't have it as bad as I did. So um, that's my reason for supporting vaccines. And why I don't mind getting vaccinated for HPV and meningitis... because I don't want to get HPV or meningitis.

[edit on 2/17/2009 by ravenshadow13]

posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 01:34 PM
Hmm.. don't complain much and be glad if you're able to opt out, look at this:

As doctors struggle to eradicate polio worldwide, one of their biggest problems is persuading parents to vaccinate their children. In Belgium, authorities are resorting to an extreme measure: prison sentences.

Two sets of parents in Belgium were recently handed five-month prison terms for failing to vaccinate their children against polio. Each parent was also fined $8,000.

Jail for Belgians Who Reject Polio Shot

Yikes, seems a bit harsh.

posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 01:37 PM
I had a flu shot one time, it was a few years ago. I felt like death for about a day, then over the next year I got, guess what..... the flu. Not just once or twice, 5 times that year.

Anyways..... This is most definitely a touchy subject.

I am still looking into this subject for my kids, The three in one vaccines are definitely a no-no. Possibly certain vaccines may be OK, but only as singles.

That is what I have found so far.... This is one of things that you have to constantly be researching and checking..... very difficult. BUT I will not turn my head and let the doctors do whatever they want, OH HELL NO.

Good post as usual DD.

[edit on 17-2-2009 by pureevil81]

posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 01:38 PM
reply to post by ravenshadow13

My baby bro had whooping cough directly from a vaccine. He was probably in worse condition than you were since you were well enough to go to school and he had to be hospitalized. Now he's autistic. I'd much rather he got sick at an older age naturally. That's my reason for not supporting vaccines.

posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 02:20 PM
We as a speices have grown to a size all most unsastainable,And we did this WITHOUT any vaccine.The idea of needing a vaccine is moot,The reason we have grown to the world we are is becuswe we alowed ourself to be infected by the microbs of our home,we became one.The plauges in the past where tool of nature to vaccinate us.It amazeing to think when u see th TV or news and everyone telling you about the new horizan we are leading to the medical breakthrough ect.we didnt need them to get here,and dont need them now.As a creature of this planet u must live in it,diease,plauge and a host of other thing out there will kill some of the people,but the generations of the srviving will be stronger aginst it,this is evolution folks.The real effect of medican is that it is makeing u sterile and more prone to the thing that u should be able tolive with in harmony.Death is a hard thing for humans to understand,since alot belive that is the end.But the death of a few can be the betterment of teh speices.And we made it to 2009 with folks crowding out the land,Without all the BS your sold.

posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 02:27 PM

Originally posted by pureevil81
I am still looking into this subject for my kids, The three in one vaccines are definitely a no-no.

And why is that?

posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 02:27 PM
reply to post by Sara1

If you read my post, I was out of school for three months and my lungs shut down. And if I had been vaccinated, I would not have gotten Pertussis. The Pertussis doesn't cause autism, the vaccine itself does. If you have a reaction to the vaccine itself, that's what causes autism. Usually babies die from Pertussis when they do not get the vaccine. And if you get the vaccine in full without a reaction, you don't get the disease until you're much older. So... I think you might be a tad confused. A reaction to the vaccine isn't the same as getting the disease from the vaccine, and if you're right, your bro would have gotten all three diseases if he got the combo DPT shot. I don't know if there is even one just for Pertussis. Probably, but I think they still go for the DPT first. So basically I almost died and I was 11 and got a terrible infection that could have been prevented if I was able to take the full vaccine. Oh, and autism doesn't typically occur in an infant who is vaccinated unless the symptoms are ignored and the second administration of the shot is given. Which is why I didn't get sick, I only got part of the vaccine, not the whole think like your brother probably did.

And for me, with the current outbreak of meningitis in high schools and colleges around the country, I'll take my chances.

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