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posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 06:32 PM
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Originally posted by bovarcher
It's disinformation, and it's trash. It was initially promoted back in 2003 by people like John Lear,


Lie.

John Lear didnt start throrougly researching 9/11 till 2007 when he joined Pilots For 9/11 Truth.

Source




I am however a qualified pilot and made a detailed study of the DFDR in 2005 with two other pilots.


Unless your name is Jim Ritter, then the above is another lie and is the reason you do not source your claim or your "study". The NTSB did not release the DFDR data to the public till Aug 2006.

The rest of your post is probably also litered with lies. So i wont bother wasting any more time on it.


@Weedwacker,

You're not a pilot. Real pilots dont make the mistake of referencing "realflight", a flight sim program, as their initial attempt to prove their credibility. You gave yourself away with that one. Freudian slip perhaps.

Real pilots also know how to spell Jeppesen (with an 'e', not 'o') as they see the word numerous times per day. I could understand if you misspelled the word with perhaps one 'p' and two 's's. But no real pilot would ever spell Jeppesen with an "o". And please save the excuse of a typo, as you did it multiple times.




posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 06:42 PM
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I don't see the logic in you guys not being able to see the overwhelming evidence Craig and the rest of CIT people been able to provide.If some major film company took on their films for pro production and released them officially, I would lobby for BEST DOCUMENTARY AWARDS and the Nobel Peace Prize! No one,including the Loose Change gang and even Alex Jones, have been able to come up with the incredible on location findings ,evidence,testimony,etc. This is astute and well done investigative reporting that even much more experienced people in equivalant fields could and would not be able to come with. Because they don't have the logic or balls to do so. These guys are well traveled in their investigations. ALOT of work. For you doubters who continue to spew your disinformation, it's starting to become old by now.
Tie this in with the hundreds and hundreds of other findings such as the hijackers tied in with Jack Abramoff,National Dutchman drug dealers and the main Florida flight schools,the obvious odd and contradictory behavior to their faith that they exhorted on their bogus travels to sell the official story,with even the recent news yesterday of alleged hijacker Jarrah's brother's charge of spying for Israel for the last 25 years with the already arrest of 200 Israeli spies on 9/11 including the 5 dancing Israeli Mossads, and those living next to the CIA asseted and patsy hijackers near my house here in Florida --- and the list goes on and on --- you sirs -- the ones who believe in the official gov't Conspiracy Theory ---are 100% the delusional disinfo agents.



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 08:23 PM
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RH.....I yeah, I KNOW how to read a Jepesson plate, and no, sometimes I don't know HOW to spell the freakin' thing....even now, I would have to look it up to spell check it, but it's a freakin' name, developed by a PILOT who worked at United Airlines, who, with many others, was instrumental in forming the first UNION of Pilots, now known as ALPA.....so don't EVEN try to tell me I'm lying!!!!!!!

'realflight'....yeah, THAT is a hobby program, for Radio Control enthusiasts.

EXCUSE ME!!!! For making a mistake!!!!!

flightaware.com.....or, alternatevely, flighttracker.com is a resource to see ACTUAL flight plans and track ACTUAL flights within North American airspace.

There is more...NOAA plates, of departure and arrival depictions...

(Jeppesson equilivant, the 10-1 and 10-2 plates)

Further Jeppeson equivilants.....darnit, my spelling is bad, but I am so angry!!!

Airport taxi diagrams, 10-9. More, 10-9A, -9B, etc, as needed. SOME fold out!!!

Jeppesen 11-1....the PRIMARY precision Approach Procedure, for the airport in question. Back side, more info.....smaller airports, a runway diagram. Larger Airports, already covered my the 10-9.....

The code in Jeppesen...(11) INDICATES a 'presicion' Approach procedure.

(12) rarely seen, is a PAR.

EDIT here, again....because, seems I remember, now that GPS is becoming more prevalent....jeppesen has begun using the (12) series of plates to denote those approach procedures. Of course, a part 121 Air carrier operates under different procedures than a part 135, or part 91 airplane.

(HINT)....FAA only recently granted authority for Air Carriers under part 121 to use GPS....it was long in coming, even though it had been used for years by part 91 Operators.

When I left, it augmented the IRS on the Boeings I flew.....especially useful for ETOPS, of course. Augmenting the VOR/VOR or DME/DME updating overland, using GPS, was leading to a lot more accuracy.

For ETOPS....well, tightened up our navigation over the oceans....combined with TCAS, safety was enhanced.

(13) is a non-precision approach, usually using a VOR as primary lateral navigation guidance.

(16), even more rare nowadays, is an NDB Approach.


I realize that I've been out of the business for a few years....and things change.....GPS approaches, for instance.

BUT do NOT insult me!!!! Because I misspelled 'jeppesen'!!!!


EDIT...I came in to edit a few times, after I calmed down.....some typos, etc.

BUT, I do not retract my statements!!!! Just, cleaned them up a bit.......




EDIT....finally....had to 'google' this, just to be sure.

The name is spelled 'Jeppesen'

I have looked at these things since I got my instrument rating in 1978, and to tell the truth.....it is a hard name to spell.

I have done 'revisions' so many times, I wonder why I bothered.

I am GLAD that Captain Jeppesen, of United Airlines, undertook this effort to codify and improve information for pilots...just, as I got older, wish the print had been a bit larger!!!!

Finally....the jeppesen company was sold out....to Time-Warner, I believe....some years ago. Quality suffered.....because we would get 'revisions' every two weeks, and stuff that was 'revised' two weeks prior, would be re-revised....became quite pathetic.

Minor hint to RockHound....if you really are a pilot....WHAT do the small numbers in the bottom of the Jeppesen pages mean???

If you know this, then you win!!




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posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 08:27 PM
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RH, let's try this....let's go rent a simulator. We'll fly together.

Since I have type ratings in the DC9, the B737 and the B757/767, I get to choose.

But, to be fair, tell my what YOUR type ratings are. I'll come play in YOUR ballpark, if you want.....as long as you're paying.....

[edit on 2/20/0909 by weedwhacker]

EDIT to include....lots of right-seat time in the B727, the A300 and the DC10.

[edit on 2/20/0909 by weedwhacker]



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 09:41 PM
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RH...YOU are not a pilot, because you took the time to look up the word 'jeppesen'.

ANYONE can do that!!!

What I have YET to see, from you, is any real post....besides mentioning JL...(Oh, I know who he is.....his father is famous.)

I respected JL, until I found ATS.....


Back to AAL77, and the Pentagon....


WHY, oh WHY would any decent American want to kill schoolchildren, in cold blood???

Not even Dick Cheney is that evil.

WHY would they kill the pilots....I was three degrees of separation away from knowing the F/O.....he was about to be promoted to Captain, on the MD80!!! His name was David. David Charlesbois.

JL claimed to be good friends with the Captain of AAL77. JL even claims that Captain is still alive and well.

OK....then WHERE is David Charlesbois????


WtHERE are the children from the inner city, on their first airplane ride EVER, so excited about going to DisneyLand???? WHERE ARE THEY??>????

You people, so blithely going on about HOW this was faked, or THAT was faked....and forgetting about the people who died.

it is disgusting.



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 10:34 PM
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That was amazing and insightful



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 10:47 PM
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talk about being in denial not to mention your ignorance is astounding and lest I not forget to mention how many times you've skirted the challenges and questions put to you.

iow, its a total waste to continue attempting any intelligent discourse with you.

typical.





Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by Craig Ranke CIT
 


Circular logic, desparately clinging to only the things that support YOUR opinion, and hoping to tear down someone who you DO NOT KNOW.....because it's threatening to you.

Here's an alternative.....an open mind, that takes in all of the ideas and concepts.....I've covered this, already.

One more time.....I cannot consider ANY administration, no matter how 'evil' you may consider them to be, to be SO evil as to 'fake' 9/11.

'false flag' all you want.....just doesn't pass the 'smell' test.....



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 11:08 PM
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Funnily, matrix.....I was not addressing YOU, directly, yet you brought it up.

I was actually addressing Craig Ranke.

UNLESS you are now his spokesperson, kindly do us the favor of announcing that, or butting out!

OR, did I miss something????


Because if so, I'll be the first to apologize.

I'd like Mr. Ranke to respond, if he would be so kind.....

EDIT....one typo, that I noticed, anyway. Feel free to look for more...

Just as we are trained....break the 'chain', prevent the accident.....

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posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 11:12 PM
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Originally posted by mirageofdeceit
reply to post by matrixNIN11
 


Regarding your first link: there is footage near the end that is allegedly taken from a helicopter on that SAME DAY, at the SAME TIME as the "thing" hit the Pentagon.

It looks wholly like CG to me, and not authentic at all.

Basic physics: a missile (or whatever) won't "pause" at the road before crossing the lawn, as is even highlighted by the guy himself!

Why does the video have 0205 in the top left hand corner of the frame???

I call BS on that one.




not sure why i'm about to respond to the above comment since i've answered it REPEATEDLY pointing out the portion thats FAKE as you did... I guess you're cherry picking the thread or simply not being thorough enough.



Originally posted by mirageofdeceit

Regarding the merged frames from NBC: has he stopped to consider than NBC might have a little something to do with the merged frames during transmission? If he'd examined the original footage and not a re-transmission, then this footage would have credibility, but as it is, it does not.


I think you need to find better sources.


i think you need to pay closer attention.

i also think you should consider addressing what you criticize in full context. You missed the rest of the links in the OP and other comments i and others made in this thread.


Originally posted by mirageofdeceit
EDIT: Where are the Mods??? ATS is really sinking on quality.
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maybe they just agree with some points i made and realize "certain" individuals who whine about quality, are hypocrites.



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 11:18 PM
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posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 11:33 PM
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posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 11:42 PM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by RockHound757
 


NO!!! RH....Ask the mods if I went to Wiki.....THEY would be able to tell you...


Mods at ATS can track user web history? Really?


AND, I noticed you said NOTHING about flightaware.....

Look.....my offer still stands. I will fly in a simulator, and likely beat you hands down.

Let's make sure you know how the procedures work, in CAT II and CAT IIIa and CAT IIIb.

Give me time with the checklists, and of course we'll 'brief' for about 90 minutes, as is usual before flying the sim.....hey!! I'll let you in the left seat first!!!! Just to be nice!!!!



No offense weedwacker, but you sound more like a Microsoft Flight Sim wannabe than a seasoned Captain. A flight sim "flyoff"? Are you serious? Whats next, your dad can beat up my dad?

We can make it easier and much less expensive weedwacker. Just post your real name and everyone can cross check your credentials at faa.gov airman database just as they can for the real 757 pilots listed on Pilots For 9/11 Truth.

I think weedwhacker just wants a free ride in a level D sim. He's probably tired of downloading Microsoft 757's and DC-9's...


Edit: ugh.. fixed link again. Sorry folks, long day.

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posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 11:46 PM
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RH....look up at flightaware.

Look up Continental flight 15, for today's date. (I have flown this many times)

today, for instance, they 'coasted out' up near Seattle....normally, we've 'coasted out' around SFO or LAX....know why???

If you don't, then you will fail.

Same with the Pentagon, and trying to understand WHY innocent children, on AAL77, had to die, for a 'false flag' operation.

It all comes back to that.

Either you realize how aviation really works, or you believe that George Bushg and Dick Cheney are cruel beyond belief.



posted on Feb, 21 2009 @ 12:01 AM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by RockHound757
 


RH....look up at flightaware.

Look up Continental flight 15, for today's date. (I have flown this many times)

today, for instance, they 'coasted out' up near Seattle....normally, we've 'coasted out' around SFO or LAX....know why???


Why is it these people who make excuses for the govt story always ignore questions put to them, yet ask more that demand to be answrered?

Ok weedwhacker, i'll play your little game. I have a bit of time.

So, what you're saying is, anyone who is aware of flightaware is also a season type rated 757 Capt?

People questioned your credentials, you initially offer a flight sim website as "proof". Screwed the pooch on that, and now use a flight tracking site for proof? That would mean almost every passenger and loved ones checking their flight are also seasoned Capts.



If you don't, then you will fail.


Did i pass? lol

Anytime you want to answer our questions, let us know.


Same with the Pentagon, and trying to understand WHY innocent children, on AAL77, had to die, for a 'false flag' operation.


I never made that claim, however... I guess it could be for the same reason innocent children are dying in a Iraq for WMD's? Or innocent children dying in Afghanistan to "smoke out Bin Laden", yet Bin Laden isnt even listed as a suspect for 9/11 due to no hard evidence?


Edit to add:


Either you realize how aviation really works,.


Im not the one misspelling JeppesEn while claiming to have done more revisions than i can count, nor linking to flight sim sites, or referencing an agency which makes charts for boats, to prove im a pilot...

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posted on Feb, 21 2009 @ 12:14 AM
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OK, lets get back on topic

the topic of this thread is Absolute Proof of Missing Frames and Tampered Pentagon Footage.

Any further off topic posts will result in a post ban to cool your heels.



posted on Feb, 21 2009 @ 12:15 AM
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RH, didn't answer my question.

Nice deflection there.

A tactic YOU tend to use is to pounce on any little mistake, as we write online....THEN inflate it, THEN accuse the victim of somehow KNOWING things that are commonly available at Wiki.....with no supporting evidence WHATSOEVER.....

because, YOU are tapdancing as fast as you can....based on your time delays in responding, because YOU, Sir, are a fraud and not a pilot!

See,the game can be played both ways.....you have IGNORED my challenge to fly in a sim....and I mean a REAL Simulator, full motion.

I've told you that I am typed in the DC9, the B737 the B757/767...you scoffed.

I ask you, what are YOU typed in???

because, I will meet you in YOUR airplane, on YOUR turf...as I said. It would not be fair of me to expect you to understand a B737, without hours of training.

I will fly with you, however....in YOUR airplane....just let me be briefed, in a proper setting.....for 90 minutes. THAT is standard in the Airline Industry....as you should well know.



posted on Feb, 21 2009 @ 12:24 AM
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Maybe you didn't see my last post?

Let's get back on topic WW.



posted on Feb, 21 2009 @ 12:28 AM
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Originally posted by Hal9000
OK, lets get back on topic

the topic of this thread is Absolute Proof of Missing Frames and Tampered Pentagon Footage.

Any further off topic posts will result in a post ban to cool your heels.




Thank you Hal. Agreed, and my apologies for my contributing to the deliquency of drifting this thread off topic. But, when someone attempts to use an argument from authority with no apparent authority or credentials to back it up, i feel it should be exposed. I think it has. It appears many others feel the same.

With that said, i think the helo/missile footage is fake. And a poor fake at that...


The frames argument is interesting, but i can see it from both sides (no pun intended). Not much really to work with in my opnion.



posted on Feb, 21 2009 @ 02:20 AM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
One more time.....I cannot consider ANY administration, no matter how 'evil' you may consider them to be, to be SO evil as to 'fake' 9/11.

Evil ideas within administrations?

Operation Northwoods: Involved faking lots of things. Could imply that future false flag events would need faked videos.

PNAC: Stated that a new Pearl Harbour would be wonderful to the rich plans. Maybe a few faked video frames would help, huh?

[edit on 21-2-2009 by tezzajw]



posted on Feb, 21 2009 @ 04:41 AM
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Originally posted by RockHound757
John Lear didnt start throrougly researching 9/11 till 2007 when he joined Pilots For 9/11 Truth.


John was definitely posting about 9/11 being an 'inside job' back in 2003 on a variety of internet forums, including 'alien astronomer' - though yes his universally derided 'hologram' theory was not propagated until around March 2007. He spent a year posting all that BS here on ATS until his famous falling-out with the site-owners.

I know John and like him. He is a hell of a nice guy. But by his own admission, he puts out a lot of BS. Intentionally.

Please check your sources.




Unless your name is Jim Ritter, then the above is another lie and is the reason you do not source your claim or your "study". The NTSB did not release the DFDR data to the public till Aug 2006


No I am not Jim but yeah you're right about one thing - it was Christmas 2006 to around Easter 2007 when Tony, Steve and I spent the time on it - along with other pilots from Elstree. Sorry for the error. Back then all that was available was the binary readout.


@Weedwacker,
You're not a pilot. Real pilots dont make the mistake of referencing "realflight", a flight sim program, as their initial attempt to prove their credibility. You gave yourself away with that one....


Yes he is. I happen to know. You can attack and rudely insult a qualified and type-rated professional pilot on this internet forum all you like, but it don't change the truth. He is what he says he is.

Best wishes in your search for 'truth.' Try to be more civil, and a bit less rude, and you'll make more friends.



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