A Question of Time, page 3
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reply posted on 24-2-2009 @ 06:57 AM by GEORGETHEGREEK
reply to post by InfaRedMan



Hello IRM!

Nice. I wonder what makes us think of similar concepts within similar timeframes!

Anyway my thoughts were even more drastic.
If you want you can have a look of my thoughts at: Maybe there is NO TIME but just a mere REALITY


reply posted on 24-2-2009 @ 07:16 AM by InfaRedMan
reply to post by GEORGETHEGREEK



Hey GTG! Good to see you mate. Nice of you to pop in!

Though this thread has been running for about a week now, some of the theories contained within would suggest that both threads still happened at the same (I hate to say it) time!

IRM



reply posted on 24-2-2009 @ 02:11 PM by constantwonder
Yes time has a definite speed it all comes down to relativity. . . you move through time at the speed of light. . . this is where relativity comes in. . . as you move and expend energy you are using part of your speed of light energy to move through space therefore when your in motion time slows down below the speed of light because your using energy to move through the spatial dimensions. If you were to actually obtain the speed of light moving through spatial dimensions time would appear to stop relative to you. This is why in the quantum world so many things can happen in tiny tiny amounts of time quanta can move very close to the speed of light therefore time relative to them is almost not even measurable. Basically it all boils down to how fast your moving compared to the speed of light.

E=mc2 time and space are interchangable they are the same thing time and light both move the same speed relative to one another

Another question you posed IRM was if we could exceed the speed at which light and time both travel what would happen well again according to relativity time for an object exceeding this speed would run backwards yes thats right backwards. If you could go faster than the speed of light/time you would be able to leave a place and return their prior to having left. let that sink in

post script
gravity travels @ the speed of light. . . remember we're pretty sure gravity is caused by a particle with mass mass cant move faster than the speed of light. The recoil of gravity if mass is suddenly removed however may move faster than speed of light. Intuition tells me it still would not exceed c but i will look into it further and post back afterwhile

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reply posted on 25-2-2009 @ 06:34 AM by InfaRedMan
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Interesting! Thanks for contributing such fantastic information constantwonder!

I recently read an article on gravity that claimed it was instantaneous, or faster than light. BUT.... After reading your post, I went and got myself up to date on a couple of sites and although it appears there is a minor divide as to whether we can accurately measure the speed of gravity in controlled environments, the general consensus is that it's roughly the speed of light.

The question remains, (for me anyway), which of the three; time, light and gravity is the traffic cop. Is it possible one enforces a speed limit on the other. Could there be a paper, rock and scissors relationship or is there a 4th player in this equation, an overseer who dictates the cosmic speed limit on all three. By a 4th player, I don't mean 'physics'.

To be honest I find myself starting to think in a loop for even if it was was common physics that dictates time, gravity and light; what dictates physics to express itself in the way that it does. I guess the ultimate question is, "Who or what writes the rulebook?" Do we need the initial observer as quantum theory suggests? Perhaps this is a philosophical/metaphysical question, perhaps not. The lines blur.

Again I will reel myself in as I'm beginning to rant.

IRM


reply posted on 25-2-2009 @ 03:09 PM by InfaRedMan
reply to post by constantwonder



Doesn't the Higgs Boson kind of suggest that String Theory was wrong? That is, of course, if they find it. Sorry if I'm being naive!

IRM



reply posted on 5-3-2009 @ 06:30 AM by Majorion
reply to post by InfaRedMan



Star and Flag IRM

But as they say in Star Trek.. I hate Temporal Mechanics!

No seriously, even though I've always been interested in the concept of time and time travel, the endless scenarios I'd envision; always end up with a paradox.


reply posted on 5-3-2009 @ 07:08 AM by InfaRedMan
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Time has always fascinated me Majorion! I still have so many questions about it - if it is actually 'real'. The paradox's are fun. The only way past them is to create some BS story like John Titor did. However, his story was poorly thought out and had more holes than a butterfly net. Poor guy, I wonder what parallel universe he is in now wondering why he can't get back home with his IBM.

IRM


reply posted on 3-11-2009 @ 07:35 PM by zazzafrazz
Originally posted by zazzafrazz
Imagine if you walk into a art galley and you notice a couple of pictures from ancient greece.
You then return to the gallery and notice other pictures from the renaissance,
Another trip and you notice the floor is carpet and the ceiling is white. another trip and you modern art on the other walls...and so on. We have different experiences of it, but the room and all thats in it is always there.
Its our experiencing the different aspects of the room that makes us experience time. And so..... we come in and out we experience time through different moments, different things, but the 'room' was always there.


Im bumping this thread, Because I think it should have more discussion put to it.
What I was saying above, I have found in a article on Time.
The most starightforward conculsion is that past and future are indeed fixed, for this reason Physicists prefer to see time as laid out in its entirety, a time scape.....with all past and future events located there together

issuu.com...

We apply time. We sence time psycologically. Physics and math sence it differently.
Time allows us to experience infinity.
We experience different aspects of infinity.
It exists, but not as we apply it.

Neither scientists nor Philosphers really know what time is or why it exists. The best thing they can say is it is akin (but not identical to) space. For example the 2 dimensional orbit of the moon through space can be thought of as a 3 dimensional corkscrew through time and space


Our application of time is:
of past present and future...is this time? We imply the movement or passing of time, but flux is the movement of an object and is it a "matter" of time, or a "question' of time. If its matter in a object in flux...nope, More likely a quesiton of time...It exists to allow the experience of infinty.

With the movement of time, Relative to what does it move? Other types of motion relate one physical process to another, the putative flow of time relates to only time itself, Posing the simple question, "how does time pass?"

The Fact that time can be treated as a fourth dimension does not mean it is identical to the 3 dimensions of space. Time and Space enter into expierience and physical theory in distinct ways. For example to formula for calcualting space time distances is not the same as calculatng spacial distances.

THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN SPACE TIME UNDERPINS THE KEY NOTION OF CAUSALITY, STOPPING CAUSE AND EFFECT FROM BEING HOPELESSLY JUMBLED.

On the ther hand other physicists believe on the smallest scale of size and duration, space and time may lose their seperate identities


issuu.com...

EDIT...NB your string theory/Higgs conundrum....Standard model-nope cant account for Higgs /....A supersymmetric Standard Model can.
One of the main motivations for SUSY comes from the quadratically divergent contributions to the Higgs mass squared. The quantum mechanical interactions of the Higgs boson causes a large renormalization of the Higgs mass and unless there is an accidental cancellation, the natural size of the Higgs mass is the highest scale possible. This problem is known as the hierarchy problem. Supersymmetry reduces the size of the quantum corrections by having automatic cancellations between fermionic and bosonic Higgs interactions. If supersymmetry is restored at the weak scale, then the Higgs mass is related to supersymmetry breaking which can be induced from small non-perturbative effects explaining the vastly different scales in the weak interactions and gravitational interactions. In many supersymmetric Standard Models there is a heavy stable particle (such as neutralino) which could serve as a WIMPs (weakly interacting massive particles) dark matter candidate. The existence of a supersymmetric dark matter candidate is closely tied to R-parity.

en.wikipedia.org...

[edit on 3-11-2009 by zazzafrazz]


reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 09:57 AM by sirnex
reply to post by InfaRedMan



Time doesn't actually exist as a fundamental force of the universe. It's an abstracted measure of sequential events. Never once in history have we ever discovered a fundamental force of time. I challenge anyone to prove me wrong, and please leave clocks out of the explanation.
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