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More balls of fire seen in skies over Britain

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posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 01:44 PM
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What acn I say.....EFFING sky lanterns.....should be banned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MH




posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 01:44 PM
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I dont frakkin believe the FAA or anyone else, what an incredible stunning co-incidence meteors appear at the same time of this so called 'collision' that no one seems to know about, they really treat us like frakkin children dont they? I guess its well deserved we are so gullible.



posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 01:48 PM
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I KNEW IT!!!! I thought I saw, in a slow-mo close up, a long shaft like structure. I can't find the good footage I saw last night, damn't!! What the heck is going on here. I know that meteors are common, but is it common for there it be so many at once, huh?
Just a snip of an interesting transcript I read from www.astronomycast.com...

Pamela: This is actually one of those highly debated things. For a long time, a couple of decades, everyone was like "we need Jupiter, it protects us from incoming rocks, it captures comets" and when Shoemaker-Levy 9 came along and first got shredded and then eaten by Jupiter, it was like, "yay, there's the proof – Jupiter protected us!" Fraser: Thanks Jupiter! Pamela: There was some recent modeling done. In the models they asked the question what happens if there's no Jupiter and you have the same distribution of space rocks that we assume we started with? What happens if Jupiter's a little bit smaller (say, replace Jupiter with Saturn at the same location) ? And they ran the situations and saw how many rocks hit Earth. What was discovered was if you just yank Jupiter out, then some of the rocks that end up entering Earth-crossing orbits, don't. they happily stay out in the outer solar system and never come anywhere near the Earth. They are not a hazard at all. Put Jupiter in there, and Jupiter's gravitational pull grabs on to some of these failed comets, some of these asteroids, changes their orbits, and puts them on trajectories straight toward Earth – not a good thing. But then it usually catches them later and either flings them out of the solar system or eats them politely. Now, if instead of having Jupiter there you have a Saturn-sized planet there, Saturn has enough gravity to take those rocks and comets, fling them at the Earth… but not enough gravity to then fling them out of the solar system or eat them. Which means that if you replace Jupiter with Saturn, you'd actually do really bad things to the planet Earth. If you just got rid of Jupiter… it's probably a zero-sum game, because while yes, it protects us from some things, it also flings things at us.

Is she flinging stuff at us now? Just something to ponder.



posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 01:50 PM
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These ufo orbs are very real, some may be meteors, they are not all meteors, some are an energetic thing that glows, pulsates, travels in groups, usually has a similar coloured and shaped partner, shows intelligence, communicates back at times and are connected to massive white rhombus shaped motherships. Balls of fire? Yes they are like fire, my friend on his first sighting described them like a gas in flame that turns up the heat and turns down the heat as it glows.



posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 01:53 PM
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posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 01:57 PM
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That the collison was caused by the Iranian satellite also crossed my mind. I know it is relatively small but, a 60lb weight travelling at 18,000 miles per hour is gonna do a sh*t load of damage when it hits something.

Bird strikes are a major problem in avaiation and most of them happen at relatively low speeds, during take off and landing. Have you ever seen the result of a goose hitting the wing of a 180 mile per hour airliner....not good! Now multiply the speed by 100 times and introduce to the flight path a metal goose weighing 60lbs.....UTTER CARNAGE


MH



posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 02:03 PM
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Holy crap!!! Meteor ah? F'in liars. It could be satellite debris or part of something else. Excellent find!!!! It feels great to be validated!!

[edit on 17-2-2009 by sickofitall2012]



posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by boaby_phet
i cant believe people are reporting sky fireballs atm when its 90% going to be this debris..


Things are not always as they seem, and this whole subject is a minefield if you don't know what you are talking about.

First of all, we have no footage of these events, so it's impossible to be certain at this stage what they were.

Secondly, at this time of year bright fireball rates are at their peak, and there is always a rise in sightings.

Thirdly the debris from the collision is in such a high orbit, that most of it will take a very long time to come down. Perhaps one or two pieces have, but there's no way everything we are seeing falling at the moment is debris.

Fourthly, of the events that have so far been annualized, all of them have been way too fast to account for orbital debris (even though the collision was a very energetic event).

By the way the terms 'fireball' or 'meteor' can refer to either natural meteoroids, or to man-made junk. A meteor is the streak of light we see when something enters the atmosphere. A fireball is a bright meteor.

Fireballs are actually quite common - much more so than many realize.

If you check the other threads on this topic, much of the info is there:
Possible Satellite Debris Falling Across The Region
UFO - meteor like object with sonic boom above Dallas and Austin Texas!
Texans report fireball in sky, sonic booms
Another so called Bolid!
Proof of UFO coverup from Texas on CNN
Breaking News: Two Satellites Collide In Orbit
Satellite Debris Video?



posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by lel1111
You're right. That is rather contradictory. So, IF that long white thing they keep showing in the video is debris from the collision, wouldn't it be scorched from the heat upon entering our atmosphere? It looked pretty white in color. Also, it seems if that object came hurtling from the atmosphere there would be some sort of disturbance in the dirt around the object - it "looks" like, from what I can see, that it was just lain there - not crashed. But who knows for sure?


It's likely they found some random (terrestrial) junk. Time will tell...



posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by sickofitall2012
I thought I saw, in a slow-mo close up, a long shaft like structure. I can't find the good footage I saw last night, damn't!! What the heck is going on here.


All meteors are slightly different in their appearence and characteristics. Some can appear to be more streatched out than others, and some just look like round balls of light.

The one in the Texas daylight footage (if that's the one your'e refferring to?) looks like a meteor to me.

There are some good examples in this compillation if I recall:




Originally posted by sickofitall2012
I know that meteors are common, but is it common for there it be so many at once, huh?


Well, like cometary meteor showers (Perseids, Leonids, etc), sometimes you get years that are duds (30 per hour), and other years you can get a full blown storm (1000+ per hour - even 100's of 1000's in exceptional storms).

We pass through different regions of space every time we make an orbit around the sun, and there are a host of other factors that make what we encounter fairly random from year to year. We can never be 100% sure of what to expect, and there are always patches of space were we can encounter more objects than others.

This is a subject that we are only just starting to unravel, mainly due to the work put in by amateur observes working together with professionals. Expect some surprises in the coming years, as we find out more!

Take this recent study for example: Thousands of unseen dark comets may be on collision



posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 02:49 PM
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It seems as though the Media has basically stopped all reporting on this.

Everything that was up yesterday (such as that MSNBC link and it's conflicting news story), has just been left that way. They haven't verified/fixed/cleaned up any of it. They just left it a cluster.

It's like they just got up and walked away from the dinner table, and we walk in and see the steamin' food.


So i guess we shouldn't be concerned with satellites/meteors/aliens anymore? lol



posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 02:52 PM
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Yeah.. the same terrestrial junk that was dropped on the pentagon lawn... It's a plane... err... parts of a plane.. errr... a satellite... errr... a meteor in Texas.

(Don't follow-up on this tangent, just being sarcastic)



posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 02:58 PM
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VERY nice video C.H.U.D...

That is almost a perfect match for the Texas Fireball.

It's amazing how clear it can show up during the day.

It still leaves some unanswered things though...

Should there be a point of impact?
Why would MSM make such a big deal out of a meteor, and be unable to explain it?
Why would the Govt Agencies (even though I don't trust them anyway) be unable to identify it quickly?
And.. what the hell is the shaft in the field? lol



posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 03:11 PM
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Originally posted by martinhuyton

That the collison was caused by the Iranian satellite also crossed my mind. I know it is relatively small but, a 60lb weight travelling at 18,000 miles per hour is gonna do a sh*t load of damage when it hits something.


You hit the nail on the head


With the kind of kinetic energy involved, the effect would be an energy release simmillar to a very large high explosive device or even a mini-nuke. The combined speed was over 11.6 km/s (over 41, 000 km/hr).

Satellite collision 'more powerful than China's ASAT test




In 2003, space debris expert Hugh Lewis and colleagues at the University of Southampton in the UK ran predictions on the debris field that would be created in a hypothetical Iridium satellite break-up owing to a collision with just 1 kilogram of space junk (Acta Astronautica, doi:10.1016/S0094-5765(02)00290-4).

Now, based on initial analysis of Cosmos 2251's orbital data, mass and velocity, he has estimated some of the dynamics involved in last week's much more energetic collision event.

To be completely obliterated, a spacecraft must suffer a direct hit with an energy of 40 joules for every gram of its mass.

In China's anti-satellite (ASAT) test, a defunct weather satellite called Fengyun-1C was destroyed by a missile that imparted an estimated 350 joules per gram of its mass. (The figure is an estimate because the missile's mass is not known for certain.)

But the Iridium and Cosmos satellites collided at 42,120 kilometres per hour, Lewis calculates, imparting 50,000 joules per gram of their mass.


Source: newscientist.com



posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by systemic.aberration
It seems as though the Media has basically stopped all reporting on this.


Yeah - it happens every time. The MSM is very frivoulous, and as soon as people start to loose interest (and I'm not talking about you and me here, but your average joe blogs next door), a new story takes it's place.

Considering that the MSM consistently does not cover large events like this when there is no footage available (I've seen this happen too many times to remember since I became interested in meteors a decade ago), it's amazing that they get any coverage at all.

At least the local news agencies in the US tend to follow up. Over here in the UK, before the last year or two, large events were never reported at all!

If you have a look over past threads here on ATS covering similar events (Edonton/Alberta for example), you'll see that this happens every time. It's no conspiracy, it's just that joe blogs next door, on average has a very short attention span, and would rather hear the latest about what Britanny Spears has been getting up to, so MSM willingly oblijes...


Originally posted by systemic.aberration
Should there be a point of impact?


You mean a 'crater' ?

It depends on many things, but yes, there could well be, but it might not necessarily be very big, or the object may have broken up into many pieces, in which case, as in Alberta, you are more lightly to see dents in the ground depending on the terrain. That's assuming anything survived, it didn't land in water on in highly unfavorable terrain, and that it can even be found at all!

See one of the other threads discussing this subject for more info - I can't remember which, sorry!



Originally posted by systemic.aberration
Why would MSM make such a big deal out of a meteor, and be unable to explain it?


I explained this in another thread, but it's basically because meteors are a quite specialized subject, and it's easy to fall into one of the many pitfalls that there are. Even government bodies like the FAA post confusing/misleading/erroneous data, and it's probably because they don't know that they need to track down someone who knows their # when it comes to meteors, and even many otherwise experienced astronomers are not competent when it comes to investigating events like this. It's basically a mess!

I mean, put yourself in the shoes of a journalist/senior official who knows little about the subject, and out of the blue there is an event like this. The first reaction is to contact an 'expert', but who? Chances are they ring up a university and ask for the head of astronomy, or perhaps the head of the local observatory, but that is not the same as someone who has specialized in meteors in many cases.

They should have learned their lessons by now, but it still happens every time.



Originally posted by systemic.aberration
Why would the Govt Agencies (even though I don't trust them anyway) be unable to identify it quickly?


See above.


Originally posted by systemic.aberration
And.. what the hell is the shaft in the field? lol


It could be almost any old junk that someone tossed away... perhaps even someone's idea of a joke! We'll have to wait and see, but IMO it's unlikely to be any debris from the recent collision.



posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 04:34 PM
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Originally posted by systemic.aberration
and the tapes to show that it is clearly something metallic, possibly mechanical, well... it causes me to raise eyebrows.



Meteors can appear to do some funny things, and people often report them as UFOs because of this. You got a taster from those clips, but they are even more weird when observed in real life! Spend some time watching them, and you'll see what I mean



posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 05:25 PM
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and ..

im quite into the phenomenun of fireballs, mainly meteors ect .. i like read any news storys and internet reaserch about fireballs, no expert but know what im talking about.

im aware theirs loads of "fireballs" all the time, i saw one last saturday , on my way to work at 6:30 am, to the south (went north to south), nothing major, very minor in fact lol.. but all the same, i know their not an isolated phenomenun..big ones are not that common though, and theirs a high chance of seeing some of them at the moment because of the debris... ive been trying to watch as it does fly pasts, but its been cloudy so i havent been able to see it . or should i say, hopefully see some fall in nice little streamers in the sky.



posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 05:54 PM
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Yes, same here. I and others have also been trying to track it. To be honest, I was also expecting to see it showering down on us pretty quickly, but the situation is more complex than it appears on the surface.

It was explained to me just recently also, but the factor that we have not been taking into account is the orbital momentum of the debris, which means the vast majority of it kept going in the same direction it was originally going. I suppose you could think of it a bit like two 'ghosts' colliding - they basically go through each other.

I'm sure we will see some, and perhaps one or two have already decayed, but it looks like we have to wait a while longer for the odd drip to become a trickle, and then perhaps a few clumps come down in a decade or 3's time.



posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 06:05 PM
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this is crazy.

seems like the exact same scenario as the beginning of this new transformers movie where they all fall like fireballs to earth.

hell what if these fireballs are really somethign else.. and we're just sitting around going duuuur lets not investigate durrrrr

then at the same time as anything happens now.. there's a fictional movie mirroring exactly what happens.. so any conversation about it is completely muddled and degraded into corny oh yeah like in that movie mentality


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posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 06:38 PM
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I LOVE your signature!! ESPECIALLY after THAT POST.....(can)......lol...
Guess now would be a good time to read chicken little again ATS posters??? All in GOOD humor my friend....



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