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Originally posted by OldThinker
Originally posted by ImaNutter
Originally posted by OldThinker
Yes, you are right....I remembered wrong....looked over the prior thread...sorry it's late, what was the questions again....fixed the other post, ok
Will you please tell me what you think about the cross originating as the symbol for the pagan sun god, pretty please?
I believe it is pertinent because say I have a car, and someone steals that car... it does not rightfully belong to the thief, it belongs to me.
So in this instance we have the symbol of a cross... that belonged to the pagan sun god... that was then taken by Christianity to represent their new faith. Since the cross rightfully represents the Sun God, by your original logic in the OP, we are held together by the sun?
How do you justify the cross, as well as many other pagan traditions, being stolen by Christianity?
LAST post!!! Promise
You are correct, the cross did originate BEFORE the person of Jesus Christ was concieved on the earth...
It was a tradition of killing criminals....
Of which they thought JC was....
Boy they were suprized 3 days later....
I do not buy into beliefs though. That is the point. The *fact* is, this is allegorical and to expect others to buy into it on the surface level is misconstruing its meaning.
New to this perhaps, but quickened in it most assuredly since I have gone back to my heritage and learned their ways of teaching. No, it is not a competition, thus the purpose for telling the Truth. Jesus is not G.d and Jesus does not hold anyone together... in fact, he stated clearly that he would separate and all one has to do is look at the current state of the world to see that he was not joking.
Originally posted by ImaNutter
"How do you justify the cross, as well as many other pagan traditions, being stolen by Christianity?"
Originally posted by justamomma
I think you know the answer to this. You are correct. It is a paganistic view and those who believe in it have fallen for the very thing the Tanakh spoke against. It was a test for the Jewish people and unfortunately, Benoni.. generalized... (explained in the blessings of Jacob .. Genesis 49) took what was entrusted to him and sold it out to deceive not only his own, but the world. The whole of the Tanakh can help one to decipher the truth from the lies in the NT. Only about 20% is applicable to the Jewish people.. The rest of it is lies and paganism.
All in all, the point of it is that this was applicable to only the Jewish people in the first place. The fact that it made its way out into the gentile world is not even supported by Jesus, despite the Pauline crowd that stuck in their own words and attributed them to Jesus. G.d does not need our acknowledgment in order to exist.. and this is the Truth. Jesus, on the other hand, does need our acknowledgment and thus, this would show the deception quite clearly.
PS: Did you see the vid? if not take a look and we'll talk to moorow ok?
I ask this not because they crucified people before they supposedly did JC, but I ask this because it was a symbol representing the Sun God!! Nothing to do with killing criminals... It was a symbol of worship to the life giving Sun! And by Sun I mean that big shiny thing in the sky that feels warm when it hits you... The SUN God, the giver of life.... THIS is the origination of the cross.
So, while I agree that this would not have been a death penalty supported by those who were truly Jewish, to rule it out as a means of his death altogether is just as ignorant as saying that he rose from the dead after 3 days. However, it is pointless for any of to even speculate on this since we can not even conclusively validate the very existence of Jesus.
Originally posted by MatrixProphet
reply to post by justamomma
So, while I agree that this would not have been a death penalty supported by those who were truly Jewish, to rule it out as a means of his death altogether is just as ignorant as saying that he rose from the dead after 3 days. However, it is pointless for any of to even speculate on this since we can not even conclusively validate the very existence of Jesus.
Where your thinking would be off is; IF Jesus did live, and IF he was a ransom sacrifice, his death needed to fulfill sacrificial purity that was in line with Jewish law foretold in the OT. Now I know this is a bone of contention with you, but it is still regardless, many a person's view, that he came down from heaven to be a sacrificial lamb. IF this is indeed the case, then he could not have died on a cross to fulfill previous prophesy the way you are saying, and all other Christians.
The death would have been purposeful and with sanctity. However, I now, don't believe that - that was his purpose after all. I think he was used to separate the masses and to set mankind free from all religion, but not to be our saviour from sins, etc. as I always believed.
Originally posted by OldThinker
pish?
JD?