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Originally posted by zerbot565
the cross pre dates jesus/christianity if he/they ever existed.
Originally posted by justamomma
OP... first off, your premise is wrong. .....
Personally, I believe in G.d and His Word, .....
Originally posted by zerbot565
the story of jesus holds just as much weigth to me as a readers digest version of any book.
jews hold him as a naughty boy for not reading the torah and for not following moses word,
muslims laughe at him for not taking the punishment on the cross as a man
and christians still argue if his mom should have had the right for an abortion and confuse his date of birth with a pagan holiday.
but reading the holy text between the lines is not the same as reading the lines of the text
the text is either so metaphyisical it contains quantum physics and the means to end poverty and hunger and how to grow back limbs or its just a compilation of readers digest.....
Originally posted by Alpha_Wolfthere was a time before jesus but we still existed so unless something changed were in good shape.
Originally posted by Alpha_Wolf
lol its hilarious how pissed people can get. anyway time for my side. if you actually have been to a christian church you would realize jesus was created after man. there was a time before jesus but we still existed so unless something changed were in good shape.
Originally posted by nj2day
Doesn't this mean that before Jesus came about, people couldn't have existed?
'Before Abraham Was, I Am': A God Outside of Time
The biblical description of God's activity in the world makes a great deal more sense if Augustine's model of time is the correct one: God's ability, as described in the Old Testament, to plan over a period of thousands of years, taking into account all the spanners that his Chosen People are going to throw into the works; the blame that falls on Judas, though Judas' betrayal of Christ fulfils prophecy; puzzling incidents in which Christ apparently overlooks the fact that his disciples are constrained by a chronological point of view and has to re-explain in a way that will make sense to them; Christ's statement 'Before Abraham was born, I am'; and all the incidents of prophecy, great and small. None of it seems so bizarre if God is seeing it and intervening in the whole of 'history' at the same instant, not constraining our free will but taking advantage of our choices and mitigating the consequences. The oddness from our point of view is merely the oddness with which this perfectly feasible activity shows up in our chronological time, where it doesn't mesh and we have no vocabulary to describe it.
The Supremacy of Christ
15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. 17He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.
21Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of[f] your evil behavior. 22But now he has reconciled you by Christ's physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation— 23if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.
Originally posted by OldThinker
been to church....yeah...probably a few hundred you?
Originally posted by justamomma
Originally posted by OldThinker
been to church....yeah...probably a few hundred you?
What does church have to do with Jesus? You are aware that Jesus kept the Sabbath day Holy... which does not include church, nor does it include Sunday.. that again, was a paganistic concept adapted by those with Hellenistic views (via Paul, who was himself Hellenistic.. Egyptian, Greek, and Roman belief system.. not Jewish).
Originally posted by jBrereton
So, what Holy Spirit had you been at for some hours before you posted this pish? JD or what?
Originally posted by OldThinker
reply to post by ImaNutter
ImaNutter
OT tried with you 6 months ago...to be patient/kind/etc....
to no avail....
Have a nice life bud....
NO response from me...
you are on your own man....wish you welll