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Originally posted by nake13
OK so what about the humans who were on the earth before Jesus came on the scene? presumably there bodies were held together by the same"glue" that happened to be cross shaped?,sorry can't see why you would think that this is conclusive in any way.
Originally posted by VooDooVonz
True story honestly.
I took a dump this morning and the stool shaped itself into a cross. Does this mean I have a divine rear posterior? I mean like Holy Crap! Am I going to hell for flushing it? Should I have bagged it up and sent it to the Vatican?
Whoopie doo. I am going to go out on a limb here and say, could it just be a coincidence that laminin is shaped like a cross?
I swear you bible beaters. Anything you hear from a preachers mouth is the word of God.
Originally posted by VooDooVonz
......Think for one minute about Genesis. You do know that that book was once before word of mouth for generations. Handed down from one to another. Long before it was written. Now, think about the intelligence of the people of that time. I am not saying they were ignorant. You have to admit it isn't like they had Ivy League schools in those days.
..................I have been to churches where it seems the pastor leans on the automatons of the congregation that hang on every word the guy says even when they take the word out of context. Making his view that of his congregation. I can't stand that. Basically that is the reason I left the church and now struggle with my faith.
He believed the Old Testament was historical fact. This is very clear, even though from the Creation (cf. Genesis 2:24 and Matthew 19:4, 5) onward, much of what He believed has long been under fire by critics, as being mere fiction. Some examples of historical facts:
Luke 11:51—Abel was a real individual
Matthew 24:37–39—Noah and the flood (Luke 17:26, 27)
Matthew 10:15; 11:23, 24 (Luke 10:12)—Sodom and Gomorrah
Luke 17:28–32—Lot (and wife!)
Matthew 8:11—Isaac and Jacob (Luke 13:28)
John 6:31, 49, 58—Manna
Matthew 12:39–41—Jonah (vs. 42—Sheba)
Matthew 24:15—Daniel and Isaiah
Originally posted by Melissa101
reply to post by OldThinker
Thank you OldThinker for sharing this clip! Lately I have been feverishly studying the Bible and I feel I am having a revelation. I think the human race as a whole is experiencing this (if they wish to except it). I have found that the Bible is full of modern day science, biology, math you name it and it is all there. It is so cool! We are able to understand the Bible now like never before and I am so excited to see this clip. I almost cried, what a wonderful time to be alive. Thanks again!!!
Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Hey that is cool.. one of the best posts on this board amongst all the conspiracy and doom and gloom sayers.. nice work..
I like not only how the protein looks like a cross but how language which is as old as humanity stated this many years ago and how science reinforces it..
Originally posted by MoralOne
I have all the answers. But The more I learn the more I dont know.
[edit on 23-2-2009 by MoralOne]
Originally posted by liesnomore
This is getting funny.Despite presenting a historical facts that the Bible was a fictional book and all the characters are fictional - you all still believe that Jesus was a real person. Jesus and all the other characters in that book was "made-up" by a Piso family in year of 65. The purpose for writing that book was to contra the Jews religion. If you do not believe in my source - look for on internet. The Piso family pull a biggest joke on humanity and most of the people felt for it.
It is important to note that the earliest Christians unanimously and passionately believed that Jesus was alive. It was this belief that caused the Jesus movement to survive and thrive (unlike, say, that of John the Baptist or even bar-Kochba a century later). This conviction allowed Christians to overcome both the discouragement of their leader's death, and later persecution. For another, the criticisms of the empty tomb tradition and of the appearance stories that are typically given by critics can, in my view, be answered. Finally, opponents of the resurrection face one huge embarrassment: No one has ever produced a plausible naturalistic explanation of what happened after the crucifixion that accounts for all the accepted facts (e.g., Jesus was crucified and died; early Christians believed in the resurrection). None of the explanations that have been suggested — wrong tomb, swoon, hallucination, mistaken identity, myth — have any compelling evidence in their favor, and many are so weak as to collapse of their own weight once spelled out.
The evidence is clear: The Jesus-myth is a groundless speculation, contrary to all evidence, and totally without basis. Here are our concluding thoughts on the matter:
I have personally come to the conclusion that adherence to the "Jesus-myth" is not the result of careful deliberation of the evidence, but rather, is the product and province of skeptical minds in the grips of an obsession. Long ago, I presented the information on Tacitus above to a Jesus-mythicist - whose ONLY source of data was G. A. Wells. He replied with implications that Tacitus was secretly in league with the Christians of his time! Then, in reply to the opinions of professional and distinguished historians regarding Wells' work, he simply suggested that they had not read Wells carefully, or even at all!
Some may say that this is merely abberational, but it is not: It is the modus operandi of the Jesus-myth circle. One well-known skeptic, Gordon Stein, cited as an authority on Josephus the works of Nathaniel Lardner - from the year 1838! There was no hint that Stein has consulted the works of modern Josephan scholars like Thackery and Feldman; there are no Taciteans, no cites from known experts in Greek and Roman history; instead, the bibliography of his report is bookended with works from G. A. Wells and Arthur Drews! Is this the work of a reasonable person, or someone in the grips of obsession?
The question remains: What on earth could possess otherwise intelligent and educated people to be so uncritical in their beliefs regarding the existence of Jesus? Here is my advice in the matter: If you have encountered people like this, I highly recommend that you provide a clear presentation of the Gospel, then leave them alone. It is a waste of time to deal with such people (except to the extent that they are deceiving others), we perform no service any time that we so much as imply that their views should be taken seriously. Their views are the result of a fallen and sinful human nature, of rampant egotism and arrogance, and nothing more.
Originally posted by spellbound
I have never understood how Jesus and God are One. And where does the Holy Spirit come in?
It is perplexing, but at least I know that Jesus is Love.