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posted on Feb, 18 2009 @ 10:42 PM
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Originally posted by Asmus
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I now question your intentions with this post.

One does not need to convince anyone of anything. Missions are not to be won. You follow jesus yet your words and actions seem to reflect insecurity. This is my observation.

There are many people here who would turn each other away from their path. Why is this so?

Age is not in the flesh.

Live in love.



Asmus...please look at the Apostle Paul...the most honered/praised Jewish leader in the history of Judi-ism....


He had a DAMASCUS encounter...it'sd all there in ACTS...please read it....that ,too happened to ot in 1975 in Wash DC...

I can not avoid what I KNOW...I try and be as humble/respectful as possible...

I am honored that you have taken the time to join the thread.....I wear my heart on my sleeve...I am about... search.live.com...


Will you deny that?....




posted on Feb, 18 2009 @ 10:50 PM
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I would say you have had a connection to infinity through christ energy. It is very much real. There are many paths to the same creation.

I in no way mean you are a misleading person. I have been in deep thought though as to why you seek approval? Maybe this is not so. My deepest apologies if I am incorrect with this assesment.

I appreciate your respect in being true to yourself. Many are incapable of this.
You have my best wishes in the purpose you have found in your life. I will remain close but far enough away so my thoughts remain clear.



posted on Feb, 18 2009 @ 10:50 PM
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More verses and quotes.
But why?

I agree that "We Receive Christ by Personal Invitation "
However this is a choice based on FAITH

Are you still trying to prove Jesus binds us together?
Physically, Spiritually or Metaphorically?

Or are you now offering us this information in hope that we make a choice?



posted on Feb, 18 2009 @ 10:53 PM
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Originally posted by Erad3
Some people in this world are illiterate?

Do not forget about other languages.

What if no translator is present when trying to explain this topic or sentence?



What a MATURE question!!!!!!!!!!!

Really...

That was incredible...!!!!!

Good job....


When I was young, my wife and I had the opportunityto love-on a young-IT-guy...pretty internal-fellow....

Guess what he does now....????


HE'S BEEN A MISSIONARY FOR OVER 20 YEARS WORKING WITH A COMPANY THAT HAS TRANSLATED THE SCRIPTURES IN HUNDREDS, LITERALLT HUNDREDS OF LAUGUAGES......


Yes this organization...day and in out...does what you brings up in this post...

Here's their website....www.wycliffe.org...


And an excerpt to support your question...btw, great point...


Wycliffe Bible Translators

Today about 200 million people do not have the Bible in their own language. Wycliffe’s vision is to see the Bible accessible to all people in the language they understand best. To make this vision a reality, Wycliffe also focuses on community development, literacy development and church partnerships.


site: www.wycliffe.org...


please research them....OT's got NOTHING to hide....nor they....

TOTALLY ABOVE BOARD....I wish I could look you ALL skeptics in the eye....you would telll I am sincere


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posted on Feb, 18 2009 @ 11:07 PM
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Thank you for that...very mature...

But...

Me seeking APPROVAL????



Have you taken the time to see my profile????



I am out-numbered 9 to 1 in EVERY thread....at least 9 to 1!!!!!!!!!!!


I don't seek approval from anyone ...well maybe the beautiful spouse of OH_SO_MANY yrs....????



OT

Here's the Bottom line....you have a question about God? OT is here, ready, willing, able...to at least give a shot at an answer....and notice....most who disagree....eventually COME BACK and say....OT, I DUNNO...but you are a good dude...


Please...please...look at my best friend's approach....JC...HIM self....


oh...btw...is there any one interested in the TRUE GOSPEL? I think so....and here's sumin' 4 ya...!!!!!


link: podcast.christianaudio.com...

the freakin-nest best talk-ever-given.......


Thoughts guys?



posted on Feb, 18 2009 @ 11:13 PM
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Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by OldThinker
 


More verses and quotes.
But why?

I agree that "We Receive Christ by Personal Invitation "
However this is a choice based on FAITH

Are you still trying to prove Jesus binds us together?
Physically, Spiritually or Metaphorically?

Or are you now offering us this information in hope that we make a choice?


DUDE/DUDE-ESS?????

Sign-up/STEP-up!!!!!!


Make a relevant point????? OK?????


OT's not going anywhere...once you get off myspace...or as my kids do...facebook...I'll be here...ready to debate...k?

This fly-by-anon-posting is annoying!


OT dis-appointed!



posted on Feb, 18 2009 @ 11:24 PM
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An honesty I may elaborate upon: It "appears", that you wish for others to understand your experiences, your wisdom, and your knowledge gained through said experiences. If this is a truth, to you, not to me, then what is your motivation? What is it that inspires you to stand up against the odds, in which you have no fear of doing?

I admire you for standing in the light of your own truth, and remaining respectful while doing so.

Hopefully more will be revealed the more communication is built.



posted on Feb, 18 2009 @ 11:34 PM
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reply to post by OldThinker
 


I'm not trying to make a point Old Thinker.
Merely trying to understand YOURS.




posted on Feb, 18 2009 @ 11:35 PM
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ASMUS...

Could it be OT is living out...your SIGNATURE>>> ?? I dunno???


OT tired...for sure, it's late....?

See you/all tomorrow...ok?



posted on Feb, 18 2009 @ 11:42 PM
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Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Hey that is cool.. one of the best posts on this board amongst all the conspiracy and doom and gloom sayers.. nice work..

I like not only how the protein looks like a cross but how language which is as old as humanity staed this many years ago and how science reinforces it..


OK? Anon...your post was put there/online/visible... rather late, for sure...OT understands the mods must be' selective', with you all...making sure the "non-members' posts... are relevant...I get it...!!!!

Glad you got through...great point there...hey...suggestion, pls sign-up...we could use a wise poster..al right?



posted on Feb, 18 2009 @ 11:49 PM
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Frank, you were engaged early on...great...you been watching lately....the thread is a-growing....your thoughts?

OT



posted on Feb, 18 2009 @ 11:54 PM
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Originally posted by Asmus
What is it that inspires you to stand up against the odds, in which you have no fear of doing?

I admire you for standing in the light of your own truth, and remaining respectful while doing so.

Hopefully more will be revealed the more communication is built.





Sweeeet questions...here's the FACTS of my motivation....sorry its bible-based....

www.4laws.com... ...in EVERY LANGUAGE Known....


Pleas review them and let OT know tomorrow, ok?

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posted on Feb, 19 2009 @ 12:12 AM
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OT wrote


Well, thank you for such an innocent, kind, and honest post.... Could you please get more specific? What questions have I avoided? Please list them.... In detail.... In order.... Go ahead and re-type the question....


OT, I don't want to ask you any questions because I don't want to hear your answers.


OT wrote

Sweeeet questions...here's the FACTS of my motivation....sorry its bible-based....

www.4laws.com... ...in EVERY LANGUAGE Known....


Pleas erview them and let OT know tomorrow, ok?


I was right in assuming that your only reason for this thread is to witness to people. Is it not? Why post this on a conspiracy board in a conspiracy forum? Or is it the conspiracy is that you are using this board to witness to people instead of what it is intended for? You are conspiring to witness? Here is the first paragraph to the link you posted above.

www.4laws.com...


The Four Spiritual Laws booklet and techniques listed here on how to use it are designed to enable Christians to be more effective in their witness for Christ. We do not claim that this particular presentation is the only way to introduce others to Christ, nor even the best way. It should be remembered that it is the Holy Spirit who draws individuals to Christ by using men, methods and materials to communicate His truths. Millions of men and women in most countries of the world have prayed to receive Christ through the direct, simple presentation of the gospel contained in this booklet. Approximately one billion copies have been distributed in all of the major languages of the world.



If you are happy with your Christian life, that's great, but I think you are trying to trick people into your beliefs.

That's my opinion and I've said it and now I will leave this thread because there is nothing here for me.



posted on Feb, 19 2009 @ 01:06 AM
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Originally posted by OldThinker
reply to post by Christ!
 


lotta meat in that post...pls give me sometime to assimilate



Truth is the first casualty of war.
The universe is a war on truth.
The universe is a tool with which we may deny the truth.
The universe is not the truth.
The Kingdom of God is the truth.
The universe is competing with the Kingdom of God for the title: "truth".
The universe is a lie.
For the lie to live, the truth must die.
Therefore,
The truth is "slain before the foundation of the world".
The truth does not retaliate or fight back.
The truth turns the other cheek.
The universe mocks the truth.
The universe acts as if it were the truth, and makes truth look like a lie.
The universe turns everything upside down, backward and inside out.
The universe is a kind of "blasphemy" against the truth.
The universe mocks reality, making a rediculous parody of Christ.
Christ is reality.
Christ is the only reality that is of GoD.
Christ is Life.
The universe makes death universal.
So,
The universe is "Christ crucified".
Everyone carries his cross.
Jesus said, "take up your cross and follow me".
He meant to follow him to the resurrection.
One cannot resurrect unless he is willing to think clearly, without lies.
Lies must be washed away by truth, starting with words of truth.
Hold words of truth in your mind all the time.
Time will be washed away by words of eternity.
Death will be washed away by words of life.
Bodies will be washed away by words of Spirit.
In this way, the return of Christ will be "as in the days of Noah".
When there is nothing left of "the universe" Christ will return.
When there is nothing left of "the universe" in your mind, Christ will return to your mind.
This is the "resurrection". '

It matters not what the bible says.
It only matters if you understand the truth.

Christ!



posted on Feb, 19 2009 @ 01:06 AM
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posted on Feb, 19 2009 @ 04:09 AM
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Originally posted by OldThinker
oh...btw...is there any one interested in the TRUE GOSPEL?



The true gospel is the gospel of innocence.
The false gospel is the gospel of guilt.
Guilt demands a sacrifice, and sacrifice demands guilt.
Truth is the end of sacrifice for the merciful.
Truth: Guilt is a lie from the very beginning.

Christ!



posted on Feb, 19 2009 @ 04:41 AM
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Originally posted by OldThinker
Supplemental verse: Colossians 1:16, 17 “For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. 17 And he is before all things, and IN HIM ALL THINGS ‘HOLD’ TOGETHER.”



Paul was confused.

Jesus *confessed* to making "the world".
But, his true Kingdom was not of "the world".

Sin is unbelief in Christ.
Sin is the basis [foundation] of the world.
The world is a *sin*.
We have all fallen short of the glory of GoD through unbelief in Christ.
We have all made the world through faith in sin.

If we confess our sin, "he" [the Holy Spirit] is faithful and just to forgive us.
But,
If we do not confess to making "the world", how can we forgive?
And if we cannot forgive, how can we be forgiven?

The prodigal son is the maker of "the world".
The world is the "prodigal son".
The prodigal son is a self-concept.
The prodigal son is anti-christ.
The world is anti-christ.
The world, anti-christ, and the prodigal son are all the same self-concept.
Christ crucified...what a concept.

Sin is unbelief in Christ.
Sin involves seriously insane notions about Christ.
The Kingdom of God is "within" Christ.
The prodigal son walks away from the Kingdom of God.
The prodigal son is unfaithful toward the Kingdom.
The prodigal son does not believe in the Kingdom.
The prodigal son believes in his own kingdom(s)
The prodigal son's kingdom(s) are "outside" and "beyond".
The Kingdom of God is buried beneath the prodigal son's kingdom(s).
The prodigal son paves Paradise to "put up a parking lot".
The Kingdom of God is "within" what is "outside" and "beyond" it.
There is nothing outside the Kingdom of God, nor beyond it.
Hell is nothing, parading as everything.
The Kingdom of God is Everything.

Beyond the Kingdom of God, nothing is "real"...by faith.
The prodigal son makes his own kingdom...by faith.
The prodigal son holds his kingdom together by faith.
The prodigal son makes bodies, and holds them together by faith.
The prodigal son believes anything except the truth.
The prodigal son crucifies himself...over and over again...with bodies.

Bodies are set up to be taken down.
Bodies are built to be broken.
Bodies are born for dying.

There is no other Kingdom besides the Kingdom of God.
Besides the Kingdom of God, there is no other Kingdom.

Bodies are of another kingdom.
Bodies are subject to the laws of another kingdom.
All the laws of the prodigal son's kingdom are wicked.
All the laws of another kingdom are decietful.
Bodies are made to decieve and be decieved.
Bodies are subject to the *law of separation*.
Bodies are separated, one from another.
Death separates bodies further from each other.
Death is a "law" of another kingdom.

So,
The prodigal son's kingdom is "far away".
The prodigal son's kingdom is perfectly disfunctional.
The prodigal son's kingdom manufactures proteins.
The prodigal son's kingdom makes teeth.
The prodigal son's kingdom gnashes its teeth.
The prodigal son's kingdom makes worms.
The prodigal son's subjects starve and die.
The prodigal son's entire population dies.
The prodigal son's worms have plenty of protein to eat.
Many worms don't even wait for their host to die before feasting.
The prodigal son is like a worm in the mind of Christ.
The prodigal son makes polypeptides.
Polypeptides are bits of protein.
Bits of protein work like drugs.
Casomorphin is a "morphine" like drug from bits of milk protein.
Drugs reduce the pain of self-crucifixion.


Christ!






[edit on 19-2-2009 by Christ!]



posted on Feb, 19 2009 @ 09:58 AM
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I just find the Bible to be meaningless, I mean if you look at it the way I do, "It's a book written by men". So essentially I don't have enough "faith" in the human race to think that god would give his word to such a corrupt species, especially when that word calls for basically government enslavement and a way to police the populus without actually having a "hand" in it persay; seperation of church and state (which is clearly a joke). My reasons and I'm sorry but I've had religious discussions with priests of 50 years nothing has been able to sway me, new or old.



posted on Feb, 19 2009 @ 10:01 AM
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Ya the religious thinker can never wrap his/her own perspective around things, it always needs to be backed up by scripture; which to the common thinker who is more moral and spirtual then religious, takes this as complete BS because to us the Bible is outdated.



posted on Feb, 19 2009 @ 10:02 AM
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I have just read the title. But yes it IS true that if it wasn't for jesus we wouldn't be alive.

Because history shapes the future, if you go back in time and change a tiny thing, it could change the future so much that the future we know would not exist.

If it wasn't for hitler we would not exist, if it invention of the car didn't exist we would not exist etc.


Understand this logic?
Edit: I'm watching the video now, why is he so dramatic? lol


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