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Kansas Suspends Income Tax Refunds, State Payroll, and Funding to Schools and Other State Department

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posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 05:22 PM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by Rockpuck
 


This isn't a conservative or liberal issue anymore. This is an American issue.


This is the key. I hope Americans realize the issue is much higher than one's allegiance to a political party.

What we need to do now though, is take our country back. Rid it of all those that are not looking out for our interests and betterment. Those working for themselves and/or their respective political party, needs to go. This goes for those elected as small as a State Legislator to the President of the United States.




posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 05:34 PM
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if you would have asked me a year ago what if the government used our money and bailed out banks to the tune of trillions and states began slashing services and suspending refunds, i would have said, revolution. i stand firmly corrected and sad at the same time.



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 05:47 PM
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Eerily sounds as if Gerald Celente's predictions of tax revolts are on the event horizon.

I think we've moved into a geopolitcal Heisenberg situation.



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 05:51 PM
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Its quite simple. We do to them what the IRS does to us. If you are late paying us back then we charge interest and penalties for every day they are late paying us our money. They do it to us why cant we do it to them?



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 06:06 PM
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I have never heard of Heisenberg before. I'm now going to do some research and find out more information about this event.



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 06:13 PM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by Rockpuck
 


Well spending needs to be cut. This isn't a conservative or liberal issue anymore. This is an American issue. Would you rather they pilfer pensions? You wanna see how big of a backlash they'll get if they start stealing from pensioners?


Actually.. it IS a Conservative Liberal issue.. to the core.

Socialist, whom are in control always, will spend spend spend.
Where does this money come from? Obviously the KS Bond auctions are not doing so hot, else they would not be pulling money from other state accounts?

Unconstitutional? .. That is KS's fault for letting their Supreme Court dictate finances, which most states leave to their Legislature.

Small Governments, not massive governments. The heart of the Conservative Liberal issue.

And please.. note.. I am not talking Social Conservatives like the god forsaken Republican Party.. I am talking Small Government, Small Budget, conservative.. hence True Conservative Ideologies.

And just so you know, the pillaging of Welfare programs and Pensions among other things? ... That is the "Other accounts" spoken of.



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 06:13 PM
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I am from Kansas and I want to know how in the hell are you getting money back from the state, In the 25 years I have been married my wife and I have only got one refund!! How is that you can get $3000.00?? How??

Kansas is a Great State it's just that it is run by a clown!!



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 06:14 PM
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Ahh, I must have misunderstood you. My apologies then.



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 06:28 PM
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I like how you think Rockpunk.

The only thing I differ with you on is that the KS Supreme Court ruled that since education is an equitable issue directly stated in their State Constitution, the Legislature had violated their duties to equitably fund public education for years.

It was a controversial ruling, but one they made to ensure each Kansas citizen was receiving a constitutional education.



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 06:35 PM
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Originally posted by tjeffersonsghost
Its quite simple. We do to them what the IRS does to us. If you are late paying us back then we charge interest and penalties for every day they are late paying us our money. They do it to us why cant we do it to them?




Im with you on that one! Since they are charging us interest rates whenever we are late with our bills then we shall do the same. Send them a big fat I.O.U.



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 06:38 PM
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If I am not mistaken, the funds she wants to transfer are from Pension funds. The news just made mention of it. So they are going to pay them with thier own money. Wow, that sounds familuar.



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 06:44 PM
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Yes I quite agree that they cannot break the ruling of the Supreme Court (albeit a dumb ruling) .. Education is the easiest thing to tear apart .. which is why it is often the first victim. If they halted road projects, certain welfare programs, and did a better job at investing their accounts they wouldn't have the dilemma they are in. I would rather see the budget slashed then see another retirement program pillaged with a hallow promise of repayment.

People lost their 401k's .. and we will be paying for them for years.. every collapsed account will be covered by the meager SS Funds .. those with Pensions thought themselves saved, because the state always pays.

That is a false hope.. and if we take to removing Pension funds to fund basic State programs.. this depression will last not months or years but decades. People are forgetting the Baby Boomers are retiring .. they don't have 10 years to replenish their retirement funds.. the long term implications of this depression will be staggering. The fact that a state is aiding in this scheme is disgusting.



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 06:46 PM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
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Personal property tax...It's like you're renting your own property. I'd fight back with that too.


[edit on 16-2-2009 by projectvxn]



Hell yeah! I am from Wichita and i run a business and i have already paided half of our property tax which was almost 4k. So now when the next bill come i should just not pay them at all?



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 06:50 PM
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Just got this email:


KS- Campaign for Liberty Members:

I am forwarding on this message from the Johnson County Coordinator and Gardner City Commission candidate Steve Shute. Please contact your state Senator and Representatives to show support for this declaration of sovereignty. This is a good example of how we can get involved in state actions.

Thanks Steve for passing it on.

***************************
Great News, everyone!!
Last week, Sen. Mary Pilcher Cook (R-Shawnee) courageously filed a Senate Concurrent Resolution, SCR-1609, that asserts the sovereignty of the state of Kansas under the Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. I received the following correspondence from Mary earlier:
Steve,

It was great to see you yesterday! The bill number is 1609. I will get a hearing date asap. The Judiciary chairman, Sen. Tim Owens, said it would most likely be after March 5. He is under the impression that it has been "blessed" by Senate leadership too.

Mary
You can read the full text of the resolution here. We will also be discussing this resolution at Tuesday's Hope for America Coalition meeting at 7:00pm at the Johnson County Library-Antioch Branch, 8700 W. Shawee Mission Parkway in Mission. We hope you can attend.

As I know that all of you are people who believe that states' rights and the Constitution still matter, I wanted you to know that Mary needs help on this. Please call or E-mail your state senators and house members and tell them to support Mary Pilcher Cook's resolution. With the "stimulus" being signed into law next week and the inevitable strings that will come attached to any money that will be flowing to the states as a result of this disaster of federal overreach, we MUST say, "enough is enough," and tell the feds to stop treating sovereign states like indentured servants.
Thank you in advance for your help in this important effort!
In Freedom,
-- Steve


So, it looks like Kansas is now going to be joining the Sovereignty movement now after remaining on the fence. How does this affect the budget situation though? Does Kansas continue to live off the federal governments money handouts? How does this work?

Also, are there any Campaign for Liberty members on here? U2U if there are.



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 06:52 PM
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This is exactly why I did my taxes the second I got my W-2s, I figured I should get the money now before it runs out... Guess I was right lol.

To everyone else... DO YOU FEDERAL AND STATE TAXES NOW!!!!



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 06:54 PM
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Its funny you mention that. In the stimulas bill there was some pork for Nevada for exactly $300 million dollars to build some levatron train HA! I bet that if you look hard enough that you will find alot of pork that covers state deficiets all over the country! Anything to prop the states up!



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 06:56 PM
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Originally posted by mrfire9

Originally posted by projectvxn
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Personal property tax...It's like you're renting your own property. I'd fight back with that too.



Hell yeah! I am from Wichita and i run a business and i have already paided half of our property tax which was almost 4k. So now when the next bill come i should just not pay them at all?


You can withhold property tax for up to 3 years in most counties before they threaten to take your house. If I were you, I would check to see what the extra charges would be if you go past the July date for the second half. Right now, if you owe money on anything and the bank colapses, in the fine print, they can demand full payment within 30 days or default for any reason. This is what they did back in the 1930's and why so many where homeless.
If they are going to do that, then they can pay the outstanding taxes as you don't care anymore and are no liable for it.
These are the things that most should be looking into. I've had buisnesses in Kansas and own house that is payed for. Kansas is a bunch of bastards when it comes to taxes. I love that we are #1 in the country for car taxes and tags.
In ten years, you pay another at least 25 % for your vehicles. That's BS.

I'll send you a u2u



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 07:05 PM
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Kansas is not alone.

How bad is it getting for the states?

www.cbpp.org...


States are facing a great fiscal crisis. At least 46 states faced or are facing shortfalls in their budgets for this and/or next year, and severe fiscal problems are highly likely to continue into the following year as well. Combined budget gaps for the remainder of this fiscal year and state fiscal years 2010 and 2011 are estimated to total more than $350 billion.

States are currently at the mid-point of fiscal year 2009 — which started July 1 in most states — and are in the process of preparing their budgets for the next year. Over half the states had already cut spending, used reserves, or raised revenues in order to adopt a balanced budget for the current fiscal year — which started July 1 in most states. Now, their budgets have fallen out of balance again. New gaps of $51 billion (over 10% of state budgets) have opened up in the budgets of at least 42 states plus the District of Columbia. These budget gaps are in addition to the $48 billion shortfalls that these and other states faced as they adopted their budgets for the current fiscal year, bringing total gaps for the year to 15 percent of budgets.

The states fiscal problems are continuing into the next two years. At least 45 states have looked ahead and anticipate deficits for fiscal year 2010 and beyond. These gaps total almost $94 billion — 16 percent of budgets — for the 36 states that have estimated the size of these gaps and are likely to grow as gaps are re-estimated in the next few months.




You should click and read the whole report if you have time.

States are going through the pains of economic collapse along with the businesses and working people.

This cycle will continue to worsen along with the economy and especially with rising job losses. The fed can print more money and survive for now, the state governments will falter. Perhaps by design?

What happens when you begin to see news of state governments shutting down completely?

These are ominous signs people, and it looks like it could get much worse.


If revenue declines persist as expected in many states, additional budget cuts are likely. Budget cuts often are more severe in the second year of a state fiscal crisis, after reserves have been largely depleted and thus are no longer an option for closing deficits. The experience of the last recession is instructive as to what kinds of actions states may take. Between 2002 and 2004 states reduced services significantly. For example, in the last recession, some 34 states cut eligibility for public health programs, causing well over 1 million people to lose health coverage, and at least 23 states cut eligibility for child care subsidies or otherwise limited access to child care. In addition, 34 states cut real per-pupil aid to school districts for K-12 education between 2002 and 2004, resulting in higher fees for textbooks and courses, shorter school days, fewer personnel, and reduced transportation.


This time it is much worse and the worst may be yet to come in 2010... These are warning signs.

When the states are totally dependant on the federal government, the dollar devalued beyond redemption and following brief rapid hyperinflation all will be lost... Abandon the cities, every man for himself!

But maybe the recovery plans will fix all of this?



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 07:09 PM
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Tgautier--
This was a great post, thank you for sharing this information. I was not aware until today that Kansas had also drafted their own state sovereignty legislation.

FYI: If anybody has a chance to listen to Coast to Coast AM with Geoge Noory (710 AM in Kansas City), this exact topic of state sovereignty will be addressed for all four hours with Alex Jones and Jerome Corsi.


[edit on 16-2-2009 by MOFreemason]



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 07:12 PM
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Excellent post which I starred for you. Thank you for posting the information and the link!

The scariest part of everything you indicated is that the reality that the 2nd or 3rd years are the roughest for states experiencing fiscal crises.

Scary, scary times ahead of us.



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