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official canadian investigation concludes UFOs"probably extraterrestrial"

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posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 04:54 PM
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Originally posted by Majorion
Yes, it was an official Air Force investigation, but no disclosure.


I am not saying it was. Rather, I am comparing the Canadian release to Blue Book. More fluff and less crunch.




posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 05:44 PM
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What governments around the world currently are doing is to get rid of a rather expensive burden. UFO secrecy could be justified during the cold war era. This threat has gone. Hence there is no need to keep these things under the veil of secrecy.

However, we have a horrendous legacy, we can't get rid of, since it's a multi-billion economic factor: I talk about our ever busy UFO/conspiracytainment industry. Every country, that releases its entire archive of UFO-files into the public domain, poisons the business of these guys. Snake-oil sellers weren't clever business people, when they haven't a solution for this problem: They simply claim, the current document drop were a smoke-screen - et voila! UFO/conspiracy-enthusiasts, used to never ask for a proof and believe every word as testimony, will swallow
these claims.

Remember, UFO means 'unidentifyable' - and neither alien, nor spacecraft, nor a ballon or a landing duck. Meanwhile, we have so many
official documents and investigations [e.g. USAF Project Bluebook, 1969, Cometa Report 1999, UK MOD UAP report 2001] we know rather clearly, governments do not know more about UFOs as every cititzen does: Nothing. Not worth to mention, even private UFO-investigators did not gain more knowledge as Allen Hynak already had three decades ago.

In my opionon, humanity is simply not ready for the truth - whatever it may be. To solve Fermi's Paradoxon, (alleged) aliens have to show up in an open and unambigous manner. I guess, it will take us decades - if not centuries - until human species will have become ready. Until then we have to do a lot of homeworks.



posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 06:57 PM
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I have to say the site is the slowest loading most unhelpful piece of **** I've seen in a long time. Yeah, the documents are released if you already know what you're looking for.

Which is absolutely no use at all.

What a letdown.

There probably are Canadian government documents in there that give crucial little details of the extent of the US coverup - but how to find them with that excuse for a search engine? I'm sure there are people with the ingenuity and patience to make more of it than I could - but will they know that their searches have been sufficiently exhaustive? I can't see how.

As for disclosure, I'm definitely thinking this is the process of acclimation... but I don't think we'll get "full" disclosure. Possibly it's the run up to the whole alien/false flag/threat thing as allegedly mentioned by Wernher Von Braun. Who knows?



posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 07:27 PM
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Regarding Canada's online virtual UFO archive;

First thing that caught my attention was the title "Canada's UFOs: The Search For the Unknown". I found that a bit humorous


Apparently, there were four government departments involved in the investigation of the matter and collecting data;

* The Department of Transport
* Department of National Defence,
* the Royal Canadian Mounted Police
* and the National Research Council

When I saw that The Department of Transport were involved, this is what came to mind;


Wilburt Smith, a high ranking official in the Canadian Department of Transport. Smith wrote the below memo in November of 1950 after a meeting with Dr. Robert Sarbacher, a top government scientist employed by the Pentagon.


In which he stated;

That the matter is the most highly classified subject in the United States government, rating higher even than the H-bomb. And that Flying Saucers exist.


After Smith sent his Top Secret memo to the Controller of Telecommunication, the Canadian government started its own official investigation into the UFO phenomenon. Launched on December 2nd, 1950, it was called Project Magnet.

It is interesting to note what Dr. Robert Sarbacher had to say;


Asked about the crash rumors, Sarbacher said they were "substantially correct." He said UFOs "exist. . . . We have not been able to duplicate their performance. . . . All we know is, we didn't make them, and it's pretty certain they didn't originate on the Earth."

www.ufoevidence.org...
www.project1947.com...
science.howstuffworks.com...

I tried searching for this memo document on Canada's virtual UFO archive but I couldn't find it till now. Can anyone find it and post the link here?

Canada's release of UFO files, follows closely upon the release of Denmark's files at the end of January. Britain continues to release it's files through a program of gradual releases; with the most recent being in January. So why are the U.S (of all countries) staying mute on the subject?



[edit on 17/2/09 by Majorion]



posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 08:05 PM
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Originally posted by Majorion
Regarding Canada's online virtual UFO archive;

First thing that caught my attention was the title "Canada's UFOs: The Search For the Unknown". I found that a bit humorous

[edit on 17/2/09 by Majorion]


That is much more than a "bit humourous". It is a total laugh and a joke. The Canadian government has had no official investigations of UFOs for several decades. Their offficial policy is there is nothing to investigate - or nothing worth investigating - or the US told them to stop investigating them because they already knew everything about them or something like that.

As an example:
On Dec. 11th, 1996, a huge and totally silent UFO was seen by over 22 witnesses along the Klondike highway in the Yukon territory. The UFO was of massive size - estimated by triangulation of several observations to be about half a mile in diameter and travelling totally silently but very brightly lit by many surface lights, rows of huge rectangular "portholes" and searchlights. It was totally silent and some witnesses got very close - one was directly below it as it flew overhead. An extensive in-depth report was prepared and was tabled in the Canadian House of Commons during question period by the Member of Parliament for the Yukon. The report was passed on through the Dept. of Defense and was eventually handed down to Chris Rutkowski, an amateur UFO hobbyist whose day job is public relations for the University of Manitoba. No comments by anyone from the defense department were provided and to the knowledge of the reasearchers, the report resulted in no further investigation by anyone associated with the government of Canada.

No, the only "search for the unknown" they are involved in is the search to find another excuse to ignore these reports and blow off the witnesses.

Giant UFO in Yukon Terr. 1996



posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 09:19 PM
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why doesnt the us government do the same thing...why hide it from the people



posted on Feb, 18 2009 @ 12:43 AM
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posted on Feb, 18 2009 @ 01:30 AM
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Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
Exactly...This is what I was getting at in my post. If this is "disclosure", then the Americans disclosed long ago.

All the Canadians have done is released 40 and 50 year old reports of government scientists saying that UFOs may be ET in origin. This is old news. There have been no new conclusions drawn. There were U.S. Government scientists saying the same thing back in the 1950s.


You made a good post there. But what exactly has been disclosed ever other than perhaps, initially, Roswell which the government and the military quickly flip-flopped on anyway after publicly announcing it was a crashed UFO. The only real disclosure that I've seen coming from the government has been ex-government workers, ex-astronauts, and ex-military personnel. It makes sense why.. and many of these people are just now beginning to come forward. But even project bluebook was more or less a giant coverup.

We know that even Dr. J Allen Hynek (the scientist that helped the military investigate potential UFO encounters for project bluebook) actually went on to help pioneer the field of ufology. Project bluebook almost seemed to act as a smokescreen to what was probably (and still is) a huge government coverup. But even project bluebook investigations deemed that about 6% of UFO encounters were unexplainable. THAT'S A TON when you consider tens of thousands of cases were investigated. But the military still believed UFO's were not a threat to national security?
What side of the bed do these people think we woke up on?

The truth is that alot of the cases investigated under project bluebook were probably unexplained cases given pretty outlandish "natural explanations"... That means that the 6% is probably an extremely small estimate. These guys just seemed to be tossing explanations out of their hats in some cases.

Even my grandfather, who was an air force pilot for 20 years, said he knew pilots that encountered cigar-shaped UFO's.. This isn't exactly a guy known for telling questionable stories.. Especially since he taught science for 23 years after he retired from the air force. He wouldn't tell me if he had experienced anything. But the pilots he had talked about never came public with their experiences in fear of some kind of retribution or punishment. The UFO phenomenon is so widespread, people in my family.. Even I have experienced UFO's first-hand on multiple occasions. UFO's are seen all the time but people are just reluctant to admit it for whatever reason. You see all this personal secrecy involving UFO's and it makes sense that the government would keep it secret. There is also alot that could be learned technologically from studying bizarre UFO activity for a few decades and then keeping all that information to yourself.

Even these extremely old reports that Canada is releasing have probably been filtered out for anything of any real significance. Countries want that stuff to themselves. They don't care about the iffy cases involving UFO's. They care about the well-documented important cases they can actually learn something from. For this reason we will never really see any kind of disclosure. Especially if the only thing being disclosed are 40 and 50 year old UFO sightings that don't need to be kept secret or classified for any justifiable reason in the first place because they don't tell you anything.

Sorry if my post seemed long-winded. I'm just curious if you know of any government or military disclosure that wasn't blatantly fabricated disinformation. That's all I have seen.

-ChriS



posted on Feb, 18 2009 @ 03:23 AM
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You dont have to know any specific document, just type in the city you want and all that information will show. Its really good! Use the search engine on the left side.



posted on Feb, 18 2009 @ 07:24 AM
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I know there are aliens. I have been abducted.

I am serious, they had skinny grey bodies, long grey necks, 10 fingers on each hand and skinny grey legs with 10 toes on eash foot.



posted on Feb, 19 2009 @ 12:44 AM
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Originally posted by rickyrrr

Originally posted by ExquisitExamplE

Originally posted by reject
this is starting to look a lot like disclosure, isn't it?



Can it just be coincidence that all these UFO files from all these countries are being released? France, UK, Denmark, Canada, Spain, Brazil, Peru, Chile? all within the space of a few years, and seemingly accelerating? (Denmark was just a few days ago)

Something is up...

-rrr



I have to agree with Rickyrrr. As much as I'm hoping there are some real gems hidden in all the recent government releases... I somehow doubt it. My red flag alert went off as soon as I heard about this huge release by Canada. It sounds too good to be true. Yes, Mr. Paul Helyer is definitely a reliable source and a good individual, but the sudden release of x-files by all these governments within only a couple of years has "suspicious" written all over it.

I think it's meant to offer us nothing but crumbs, possibly to distract us from the bigger and more dangerous events in the world today... like the economic disaster that's unfolding right before our eyes.

I hope there's more to it than that, but I have my doubts.



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 01:50 PM
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Probably "extra-dimensional"

Perhaps one day in the near future, although it sounds absurd, a bunch of people just vanish into thin air then UFOs will come and it will be Antichrist to explain it away as "alien abduction" and to solve all of our global crisis problems and bring peace. Start reading The Word and hope you get right with Lord Jesus.




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