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What if GOD is the evil one?

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posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 05:57 AM
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Now ask yourself this questions... what if GOD is the evil one?

Now your probably wondering what i mean by this? Just hear me out for a second, maybe its human nature that we always strive for more then we have we always want better then what we have, i myself are guilty of this. Everyone hears the little voice sort of speak in their heads telling them to do something to better yourself at the expense of others.

Now if you were to follow the word of god, you will find your self wondering what if? They say wars are evil, in times of war more technology is created then anyother time, money the root of all evil, created a basis for every culture in the world to trade.

Now i dont believe in either god or the devil, what i does interest me is human nature, what does make us do those evil things or good things?

What if we take the story of Adam and Eve, it sounds like God wouldnt let them do what they were made to do, why tempt them by placing such a tree in Eden? The devil on the other hand wanted them to be what they are not hold them back.

And the saying "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" What does this mean exactly? That if you try to help others and they happen to go wrong your well on your way to hell?

I mean if you look at the not so popular theory that God is either dead or the Devils turn to rule for 100 years.. over the last 100 years they have been massive breakthroughs in science, medical studies etc etc

What if the Devil or out human nature is pushing us in the direction we were ment to go, even if that is self destructive, at the end of the day we are nothing more then evolved and intelligent parasites.

Maybe we were made to be like this, because through out history we have done anything to better ourselves as a race. This brings me back to the main point of would we be where we are today if the Devil or that human nature never existed inside us? Where would we be?




posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 07:02 AM
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Interestingly I was thinking about this topic just a few minutes ago.



Now your probably wondering what i mean by this? Just hear me out for a second, maybe its human nature that we always strive for more then we have we always want better then what we have, i myself are guilty of this. Everyone hears the little voice sort of speak in their heads telling them to do something to better yourself at the expense of others.


I think that people unintentionally want to perfect themselves even even if they do not mean to do so and you are perfect yourself in two ways, two extremes, good and evil, God and Satan, Yin and Yang.

In my case that voice inside my head warns me that I shouldn't better myself at the expenses of others.



Now if you were to follow the word of god, you will find your self wondering what if? They say wars are evil, in times of war more technology is created then anyother time, money the root of all evil, created a basis for every culture in the world to trade.


Progress at the account of human sacrifices is not acceptable. Though I should not be saying that as I am right now using the fruits of that progress.
And money is not evil, it is an essential part without which civilization cannot exist. The problem however are money changers, bankers and such who, with their private banks, are the ones that have been and still are causing all the financial problems in the world.



Now i dont believe in either god or the devil, what i does interest me is human nature, what does make us do those evil things or good things?

What if we take the story of Adam and Eve, it sounds like God wouldnt let them do what they were made to do, why tempt them by placing such a tree in Eden? The devil on the other hand wanted them to be what they are not hold them back.


First and foremost society and its rules, values and such, because the perspective of good and evil varies from one individual to another depending on how well the primary and secondary socialization worked out.

My interpretation of the story about Adam and Eve is as following:
The tree was a metaphor of the basic, animalistic desires that are usually good for a few minutes but after that comes a long time of emptiness. That is why God wanted them to practice self-control which is one of the greatest values in my humble opinion.



And the saying "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" What does this mean exactly? That if you try to help others and they happen to go wrong your well on your way to hell?


Have you watched the LOTR? When Frodo offers the ring to Gandalf he says that he would take it in order to do good but that the shadow would corrupt him (something like that^^). Anyway I would understand it as such that good intentions are not enough, that you must also do it the right way, be self-controlled.



I mean if you look at the not so popular theory that God is either dead or the Devils turn to rule for 100 years.. over the last 100 years they have been massive breakthroughs in science, medical studies etc etc


Yet there have also been great wars, the development of biochemical weapons and the atomic bomb and much more.

The scientific progress has truly been astounding, but humans have not been and are still not able to cope with it.


What if the Devil or out human nature is pushing us in the direction we were ment to go, even if that is self destructive, at the end of the day we are nothing more then evolved and intelligent parasites.

Maybe we were made to be like this, because through out history we have done anything to better ourselves as a race. This brings me back to the main point of would we be where we are today if the Devil or that human nature never existed inside us? Where would we be?


I wouldn't know about you but I know that I have still more than enough space to develop and that this is just not it.

EDIT: I think that God is good.

[edit on 16-2-2009 by Krisclin]



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 07:05 AM
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If God were evil he wouldn't have created life. He would have just sat on his etherial throne all by himself hating and hating ... not creating.



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 07:16 AM
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I suppose it depends on the person, like you said though there is always the feeling that we should be perfecting ourselves, i mean God may be good and in no way am i saying he isnt i'm just your taking a look from the otherside.

Yes your right we are advancing faster then we can cope with, but like i said what if we were ment to be like this? Not controlled or held back by morals which we think are right. The only difference between us and any other parasite is we are self aware and know what we are doing, they do it to survive, now there is a fine line between doing what your ment to do and doing it to better yourself.

Have you ever read a book called I lucifer? great read i would highly recommend it, now this gave the account of the devil living in a human body when he talks about what he has done, he describes how held back a race would be if they stuck to the teachings of god.

Now we all believe what we want to believe, just like you said you get the voice telling you not to do things, just like some get it the other way around like myself, weather we act on these suggestions is another story.

Take into account lord of the flies.. now i know they were children but it will apply to many adults, morals and good go out of the window when you have to survive, why is this? surely we should help each other out of such situations but its not what happens.

We all know deep down that we are out for ourselves its weather we let it surface and take control, but like the Devil and God - both sides of human nature good and the bad.

I personally think that if it wasnt for such individuals that wanted to better themselves and evolve we wouldnt be where we are today.

but that is just my opinion..



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 07:24 AM
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If God were evil he wouldn't have created life. He would have just sat on his etherial throne all by himself hating and hating ... not creating.


Sorry i think you might have mis understood, not evil in the sense of hating and hating, evil in the sense that maybe god would have held us back there not been the devil around.

Of course that he wanted to create life, but in the same time he tried to control it. The mistake he never accounted for was free will, the wanting of more.

Its would be like a puppeter playing with his puppets making them do exactly what he likes making the rules that are not to be broken. To find one day the puppets didnt need the strings to move the feeling of liberation must have been immense, hence then they realised there was no need for the rules and why such knowledge was held back from them...



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 07:56 AM
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I think god has a positive purpose and we are aligned with it generally. Evil is just the absence of that purpose. It's like we need free will to go to the next evolutionary stage but free will also brings about evil... greed, ego all those things.

God lets evil do its thing because he needs to give freedom but it's just a byproduct. It doesn't stand a chance.

Your theory is plausible too. It's one of those things an individual needs to decide for themselves.



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 08:45 AM
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Your 'God' is the destroyer of life, not the creator of it.

Ever see the Yin-Yang symbol (anybody?).

Created Realms (atomic, includes 4th Dimension) occur because of Light Friction~Resistance between Two Opposing Forces, much the way a hologram is created (rerference & object beams creating interference).

This creates vibrational patterning, except they are known (by those spiritually endowed, at least) to be Alive. They are referred to as the black or Mother half of the yin-yang, which is magnetic/negative; and the white or Father half of the yin-yang, which is electric/postive.

These are also known as (by some) the Dragon & the Eagle, or also, Lucifer & Jehovih (use your own names, please, for reference: it's the idea that matters here).

These Two Dual Opposites WAR with one another perpetually, through all atomic eternity: this is called the matter plane, where there can never be any Union, except as Friction, or what may best be called "Creative Conflict." In material reality, this isn't really pretty: even galaxies consume galaxies. Everything consumes everything else. Yeah, go ahead and deny it, that works for ignorance!

Union of the Two Opposites doesn't ever occur, though Integration above (beyond) the material planes is achieved, and is referred to as The Invisible: atomic matter is called the Reflected Visible. We won't go further into that here.

Now, the Jehovic Light Property is what most of humanity 'secretly' either worship or recognize as "The Good" (God) side of the yin-yang Expression. It is both a Revealer (Grower) and Destroyer (Consumer), exactly like The Sun's Light. Referrence the action of light on life processes.

So, yes, 'God' is evil: since you exist to Feed this Being, and also the 'Lucifer' half of the equation.

Where is the Good, then? The Potential to Become Equivalent to the Light, which is known as the Denouement of the Cycle of Light. That doesn't mean 'better than', but 'One with,' or Integration. Conceptualizing this is incomprehensible: if one tries to do so, they will learn it is beyond material understanding: it is Experiential, only, because it is an Alive Process, beyond any individual aspect of observation: this is where the Observed melds with the Observer.

So yes, God is Evil. As you know it in experience. Doubt this, have a beloved child (Beloved) get raped and killed, and it will at least set you to wondering about God as Goodness. Sorry to offend (it happens with regularity in our world, yes?). And worse? Yes (relative).

God is Evil, in exact measure with Lucifer: the slight fluctuating variance is what creates the atomic plane.

[edit on 16-2-2009 by SS,Naga]



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 09:00 AM
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This is a belief practiced by the elite for centuries, its nothing new, and its all down to a mis-transliteration in the original translation of the christian bible (which is nonsense anyway as its just a butchered cut and shunt job of many much older more accurate documents to come out of sumeria/babylonia/egypt

and.................


100% correct.

the roles got swapped round in the book, as they appear to have done in real life too

The sad part is, the 'believers' have all been brainwashed and NLP programmed to NOT QUESTION the 'good book' and even sadder that i see so many here, claiming to be 'awake' that are still under the influence of TPTB's greatest control method ever- the invisible man!!!!!!


A more enlightened approach would understand the 2 sides exist as a whole and cannot be without the other. We all need a little bit of yin with our yang.

I'll be surprised if my post even appears though, anytime i seem to reply to anything like this my post magically disappears.


SR

posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 11:05 AM
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Reminds me the old adage one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

The devil gets a bad rap effiectively for nothing..if one is inclined to believe in the abrahmic religions. The devil gave us free will via the apple and isn't the one running around killing people or setting tribes against each for most of the bible and torah. I think the confirmed direct kill count is 2500+ people killed by god alone in the bible without counting the flood and the devil only has one direct kill to his name.

The whole definition of sinning in the old books is a joke as well..You'll go to hell for eating pork or looking at porn but your allowed to run around killing people so pork and porn etc. evil and killing people good.

Whoa great logic of a supposedly loving god there....

Someone more interested in the faiths should sit down and argue the case for the devil logically with the evidence. I mean the religious have been revising history in God's favour for the past 2000+ years and still can't get it to sound convincing in my opinion.



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 12:39 PM
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The devil gets a bad rap effiectively for nothing..if one is inclined to believe in the abrahmic religions. The devil gave us free will via the apple and isn't the one running around killing people or setting tribes against each for most of the bible and torah. I think the confirmed direct kill count is 2500+ people killed by god alone in the bible without counting the flood and the devil only has one direct kill to his name.


Your completely right, what if the bible was written from the other side of things how would that affect human nature, would people feel it ok to progress themselves personally without having to worry about doing wrong in the eyes of a lord.

If the bible had been written differnently the world would be a much differerent place then what it is today. Imagine the progression if not held back by the moral implications of going to hell over the slightest things.

The world would either be a terrible place or a much greater one...



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 01:04 PM
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I think the bible represents many events using symbolism and stories. In the case of Adam and Eve, the first humans, taking a bite from the apple gave them self awareness.

This really represents the point in our evolution of when man was no longer an animal. Animals do not do acts of evil for they have no self awareness to choose. The Garden of Eden is actually the animal world where evil does not exist, and once man took a bite from the tree of knowledge he left that world.

This points to evil as an event that only man can accomplish, for they have the ability to choose and understand their actions. 666 is a sign that many think is the sign of the devil, but is actually the sign of man.
So to think of God as neither good nor evil, but man can do acts of both is a better way to understand it all, and the hard part is what is in the physical world and what is not.

If you apply the bible to the physical world it is amazing the wisdom that lies within its pages of symbolism.



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 01:15 PM
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I am reading a book on this subject titled: "About The Holy Bible" by Robert G. Ingersoll. I don't know what to think now, I've been a faithful Christian for a long time now; this book points to contradictions apparent in both Old and New testaments as well as criticism of God's character traits. Its pretty convincing.



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 01:33 PM
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You are assuming that the life span of a human or even a star is an evil act when it ends. God is neither good nor evil.




These Two Dual Opposites WAR with one another perpetually, through all atomic eternity: this is called the matter plane, where there can never be any Union, except as Friction, or what may best be called "Creative Conflict." In material reality, this isn't really pretty: even galaxies consume galaxies. Everything consumes everything else. Yeah, go ahead and deny it, that works for ignorance!




Do they war with each other or create a balance? Evil can only rest in the actions of something that has a choice in their actions. A black hole cannot be evil, nor can a lion in killing its meal.



Now, the Jehovic Light Property is what most of humanity 'secretly' either worship or recognize as "The Good" (God) side of the yin-yang Expression. It is both a Revealer (Grower) and Destroyer (Consumer), exactly like The Sun's Light. Referrence the action of light on life processes.

So, yes, 'God' is evil: since you exist to Feed this Being, and also the 'Lucifer' half of the equation.




Well in some way you are correct. As stated God is basically everything including the devil, but just what is the devil? If we take this to the level that to do good or evil a being must have a choice in the process, then the devil is the influence to do evil.




So yes, God is Evil. As you know it in experience. Doubt this, have a beloved child (Beloved) get raped and killed, and it will at least set you to wondering about God as Goodness. Sorry to offend (it happens with regularity in our world, yes?). And worse? Yes (relative).




So proves my point in there is only evil in the actions of man. To say God is evil because he allowed this to happen, is to also say he is good because he allowed the birth of the child. Your choice to feed some poor homeless guy or beat him up sets you apart from everything in the universe.

Please explain one evil act that was not caused by the actions of man?

Also, to say evil or good is an extremely simple way to describe these events that really don't apply very well. So in many cases it boils down to the thought process of those actions, and so this means that there is not a black or white choice to what is considered a good or evil act. I can kill and not be an evil act, or I can kill and be very evil.


[edit on 16-2-2009 by Xtrozero]



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 01:40 PM
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The demiurge is the one who does some good and some bad. But above that is the father that Jesus talks about.



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 07:49 PM
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It is clearly understood that my statements (statements) would not be acceptable. Few understand the nature of the Created Planes, and it doesn't really matter. Evidence is available for all who have piercing perception to realize Conflict is how it is all done. I also submitted a small example.

Philosophy on the 'God - Devil' topic is like this:

"...we could go on forever like dogs biting their own tails, trying to describe this."
(don Juan, "The Active Side of Infinity," by Carlos Castaneda)


To blame just 'man' for the evils of creation is pure ignorance, regardless. Of course, when talking with humans who have no awareness or perception of the furthered stages of Existence (beyond humaness), is folly, indeed. This is an Abyss without bottom.

One can always say it boils down to humanity commiting the 'Evil Acts' since it is their state of Self-Awareness (sex awareness) that should have enabled them to perceive the wrongness of it. Note:

This is not provable to dogma oriented types, or even those who are stepping beyond that state: The 3rd Dimension is the realm of most of humanities' everyday conscious awareness. Science will back me on this, though only in a recondite, very abstruse manner: the 4th Dimenson is Also a state of Subtle Atomic Expression, which we know Interpenetrates the first three dimensions. It is inclusive of "As Above, So Below; As Within; So Without," bearing out the age old 'secret knowledge' that the Invisible Rules the Visible.

There Are Consciousnesses In the 4th Dimension: I've met them with as clear conscious awareness as any of you have ever met anything with your own conscious awareness. I'm not asking you to believe. I'm telling you what I Know.

And I am also adding that these inner conscious awarenesses are mostly outright selfserving, and many very evil (imo). So, arguing with 'inside the box consciousness' (of the 3rd D) was not my intent: for a consciousness that perceives accurately beyond it (3rd D), it's not just folly, it futile.

Last but hardly Least:

There is no 'Good & Evil.' This is pure Illusion, or viewpoint sentience of a lower order, unevolved to the point-view where it can perceive Awareness of One Self. So, some few agree on this, most don't see it. Not to recognize the Two (Mother-Father :: Darkness-Light :: Evil-Good) Prime Archetypes as One, is a state of Unknowing: They are indeed Oneness of Being: (ready for it..?) best known/unknown as The Alive WORD. ALL is contained within the WORD, both substance [egg-potential] and idea [sperm-potency]. From the Formless issues [emanates] the Formed. Can this be Evil? Hardly: only through perception [observance].

I think my original post did well to describe a position from humanity's viewpoint: 'God' can be called Evil, as least to the perception of Lower Mind. Many feel this beyond a dead child or some other horror: past into humanities' world history. You can read it here on ATS almost everyday. Philosphy is subscription to a form of staid paralysis, without direct knowing of the Light Within (and I don't mean dogma, or dog-man consciousness).



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 07:54 PM
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Star and flag!!

These are the kind of things that make us think outside the box...

What if god and satan are on the same team? OR What if they dont exist at all?

Who knows? This was a very thought provoking post!! Good job.



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 08:35 PM
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I have thought a book or movie about someone finding out god is evil and the devil is good would be interesting, or that god is the devil in "disguise". It's fun to have an imagination sometimes, isn't it?



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 08:41 PM
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With all due respect to my fellow members' beliefs......all of this is such a waste of time!

God is evil........God is everything.......I'll stick with Zeus and Apollo. They are far more believable.



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 08:43 PM
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Which God are you talking about?
There are many Gods!!
One's God is that which one obeys.

Every one's character and disposition resembles the God they understand.

The God who is the Way the Truth and the Life has no evil in him.

That which is exposed to the light, becomes light.
Draw near to the Light of the one true God who is Christ, and He will draw near to you. Prepare yourself, become light, before it is too late.



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 08:50 PM
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Originally posted by John Matrix
Which God are you talking about?
There are many Gods!!
One's God is that which one obeys.

Every one's character and disposition resembles the God they understand.

The God who is the Way the Truth and the Life has no evil in him.

That which is exposed to the light, becomes light.
Draw near to the Light of the one true God who is Christ, and He will draw near to you. Prepare yourself, become light, before it is too late.


My 8 year old has the the perfect reply to your statement.

"Jibber Jabber"

Why are people so gullible? (Oh....with all due respect, of course)



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