I would like to simply comment that my intent on alerting this concept of the education system is to emphasize the symbolism that they come
with. I'm not interested in debating the semantics of whether or not it is the most efficient tool of transitioning the students, I'm merely looking
to emphasize the symbolic nature of the tool.
While my opponent has made an effort to off-set the practical sense of the bells, he fails to touch on the symbolic nature of the sounding
But do you understand that the reason we use a school bell isn’t because it’s going to be used as a tool the reason that it is being used is
because it’s practical and it’s the obvious choice. You say you are looking at the symbolic nature of the school bell but the only reason that you
are doing this is because you have to do. You have to do it because it is being used and it all goes back to why it’s being used and that’s
because it’s practical and the only choice when discussing this matter.
And I ask you how is the school bell symbolic what does it mean why/how could it specifically be used against us? Please answer this I the Socratic
question at the bottom of the page thanks.
Why should they listen and obey?
Why shouldn’t they learn to listen and behave we as people function far better if we take our time and relax instead of being all hyped up and
running around. We would learn a lot that way and after we leave school we would function a lot better in today’s society.
Think about if you go to a job interview and they see 2 people one of which is calm and does the interview professionally. Then you have someone who
is running around messing with everything and is totally unprofessional in the way he handles things, even if he has a better C.V the calm and
professional wins every time.
Teachers isn't even a term that should be used for the most part. They are individuals who get paid to stand in front of a classroom and
regurgitate what someone else has already said. They are not teaching anything.
And yes teachers are there to teach us and just because they didn’t figure out what they are teaching us first it doesn’t mean they should be
faulted because of that they do a very tough job and should be credited for it.
So teachers in general teach us nothing you say well I can happily tell you I have learnt a hell of a lot from my teachers as well as the rest of my
They are merely echoing the thoughts of someone who came before them.
Sure just because they are repeating what someone has found out or has said before them doesn’t mean they are failing as teachers it just means that
they are trying to teach us what they themselves have been taught. Nothing wrong with that.
This notion that my opponent alludes to is the theme of the New World Order. Which is that we should listen and obey to individuals who come
with a title. Screw titles. Respect is earned. Students should be courteous as everyone is entitled to courtesy. However, students should not obey
every thought of an educator because they are an educator. They should be taught to challenge the viewpoints of all, including their teachers. Not
only will this benefit the class, it will hold teachers accountable and push them to be better. No more of this reading the chapter the night before
the students did and professing to be the "know all" on the topic.
I have already stated in a recent post that we are
encouraged to challenge what we are being told we certainly do I my school anyway.
I should direct you to the link I gave in my recent post it shows what teachers should do In every lesson of every day and each of them happens In
mine every single day
This was in response to discussion surrounding 9/11.
I'm beginning to question where or not my opponent is a tool of the New World Order.
He asserts that because it is a sensitive subject where innocent lives were lost, we shouldn't talk about it. If that isn't the NWO in a short
sentence, I don't know what is. Don't look, don't ask, don't think.. just close and swallow. No thank you!
No you have it all wrong there what I said was “you’re not exactly at school to learn about what happened on that day you are the school to learn
about what effects you in society or to learn valuable skills to be used in society.” So it’s not the time nor the place to talk about what
happened im not saying they absolutely shouldn’t talk about that day because we should but they should talk about and discuss the set lesson. And
leave everything else out for another and more appropriate time.
Also if it helps I am not a NWO tool of any kind
and what is quite funny is every time you hear someone defending the true nature of the NWO you
always get the same common response back “Oh You must be a part of it then” so no I am not a “tool of the NWO” I am merely stating that their
intentions are not as bad as everyone thinks they are there to help and push mankind forward.
I can't learn to swim without getting in the water. I couldn't learn to drive a bike without getting on one. And I couldn't learn to drive a car
without getting behind the wheel. So please, elaborate on how our future generations are going to learn critical thought without practicing it.
I'm very curious.
Again you have misunderstood I never said that they wasn’t practicing it you didn’t read everything that I said because if you did you would have
read this aswell.
“Look at this link it has a list of things that teachers can do to encourage critical thinking and most of them happen in every lesson of every day
it’s a list of what happens in every lesson of every day or it certainly happens In every lesson I have ever been in without fail.
So that’s how they learn it without specifically having a lesson on the subject.
Response to Socratic Questions
SQ1. How can a student learn to think critically if they are not taught it?
I'll post this before posing my second question.
Research tells us that a large majority of gifted and talented students spend most of their day in regular classroom
Because they are taught it which I already stated in this post and in the previous one.
now you give us an external source which states that most gifted children just sit in class and aren’t allowed to reach their individual potential.
Here’s a list of people who are extremely gifted but no one thought it at all so who can say who is gifted and who isn’t.
1.Einstein was four years old before he could speak and seven before he could read.
2.Isaac Newton did poorly in grade school.
3.When Thomas Edison was a boy, his teachers told him he was too stupid to learn anything.
4.F.W.Woolworth got a job in a dry goods store when he was 21. But his employers would not let him wait on a customer because he "Didn't have enough
5.A newspaper editor fired Walt Disney because he had "No good ideas."
6.Caruso's music teacher told him. "You can't sing, you have no voice at all."
7.Verner Von Braun flunked 9th grade algebra.
8.Admiral Richard E. Byrd had been retired from the navy, as, "Unfit for service" Until he flew over both poles.
9.Louis Pasteur was rated as mediocre in chemistry when he attended the Royal College.
10.Winston Churchill failed the sixth grade.
so in my opinion you can’t label a child gifted because it’s not fair you don’t know if they are or if there not just look at the list above
Einstein, Newton, and Edison all normal or below average children and look at what they actually turned out to be.
SQ2: If you believe the education system is to have each individual reach their own true potential, why are classes taught at a pace of the slowest
child and gifted children left bored?
Would you prefer they started from the smartest kids and then leave the slower and weaker academically children behind the truth is it far better and
easier to start with the weaker ones first look at it this way
Imagine you’re in a classroom that is going to be learning advanced subjects even the weaker children who won’t be able to keep up.
Now imagine you’re In a classroom where everyone is learning the weaker stuff which is still beneficial towards the stronger kinds there is nothing
wrong with going back and reading what you have already learned it’s a strong technique in keeping that information in your brain.
Which one is most beneficial?
SQ:3You believe the NWO exists and you believe their intentions are positive. Given that, would you state that it would be beneficial for the NWO to
become involved in the current education system?
Yes it would be beneficial but just because it may be slightly beneficial doesn’t mean it has happened I mean I think it’s fairly obvious the true
intentions of the education system and it isn’t nothing to do with the NWO
SQ:4Who do you believe is in charge of the NWO?
The simple answer can sometimes be the best… I don’t know
SQ:5Why do you oppose the sovereignty of individual nations?
This is a fairly easy one to answer the reason I oppose them is because of the obvious …Conflict there is always going to be conflict under
individual nations that’s a definite truth also it would be far better if we achieved a world under one banner so to speak so that we are all
SQ: 1 how is the school bell symbolic? And what does it mean?
SQ2: How could it specifically be used?