I almost feel like there is nothing more to say about the collapse.

Every single article, all discussion, everywhere (on this board and elsewhere), all the ecomomc news, saying the same thing over and over and over:

HEAD FOR THE HILLS!!!!

I'll believe it when people no longer post on ATS... that something big has happened.

As long as the threads keep rollin' I'm staying put

On that note, we are all screwed... this is the start of the end. *cries*

reply to post by silent thunder

I do not think you need to head til the hills just yet unless you
are in California where they are about to release 40,000 - 60,000
prisoners because the state is bankrupt.

With them being released they might have the idea that as long
as they don't kill anyone they can get away with almost anything.

It would not hurt to have a potential "camping" site picked out
or some rural piece of land that you and a few families can go
wait out the crisis.

Make sure and have a good collection of heirloom seeds.

I recommend white seeded amaranth as it is a complete protein.

Make some cheap affordable preparations with a few basic goals
in mind, Water, Food, Shelter, and Self Defense.

You got all that covered, then just make a good plan and maybe
get some good info like the SAS survival handbook and practice
as much of the relevant skills as possible.

If you are in the central states that are not in that bad of shape yet,
then I'd say you are ok for awhile yet.

I look for things to go downhill when they have to list their financials
at the end of this current quarter, so I'd say 30 - 60 days before
things really pick up speed.

No man is an island, have friends or family with you, and keep
each other aware as it continues to fall apart.

Good Luck to you all !



[edit on 15-2-2009 by Ex_MislTech]

as someone living in the hills/country

please stay in the cities, there is a good thing
about safety in numbers

out here in the hills, life can be rough, can you
plant a garden? what are you going to eat then?

if a mild form of tshtf happens, then, the cities
will be more important for security/resupply and
other infrastructure stuff.... with no way of feeding
and or surviving... stay in the cities

we here in the country have enough to deal with,
and the thought of hordes of people showing up, ....

i am kinda joking here, and yet, thinking about a lot
of what i have been coming across...

i was going to start some sort of thread with this

A B or C

A, very mild recession thing, one or two years, everything
will be roaring along like it was

B somewhat nasty version of depression/recession, maybe
some areas worse, riots, while not everywhere, are still to
be a problem, economy is severely disrupted, with end r
esult, only really rich and the rest of us

C it gets so bad, we cannot even connect to this forum,
let alone check email

well ok, back to the brain mush food from hollywood

reply to post by Ex_MislTech

I recommend white seeded amaranth as it is a complete protein.

That should be accompanied by a warning about consuming too much of it:

However their moderately high content of oxalic acid (in amaranth) inhibits the absorption of calcium and zinc, and also means that they should be avoided or eaten in moderation by people with kidney disorders, gout, or rheumatoid arthritis.Reheating cooked amaranth greens is often discouraged, particularly for consumption by small children, as the nitrates in the leaves can be converted to nitrites, similarly to spinach.

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
reply to post by Ex_MislTech

 

I recommend white seeded amaranth as it is a complete protein.

That should be accompanied by a warning about consuming too much of it:

However their moderately high content of oxalic acid (in amaranth) inhibits the absorption of calcium and zinc, and also means that they should be avoided or eaten in moderation by people with kidney disorders, gout, or rheumatoid arthritis.Reheating cooked amaranth greens is often discouraged, particularly for consumption by small children, as the nitrates in the leaves can be converted to nitrites, similarly to spinach.

Or at least be getting lots of Vitamin D!

Good advice from everyone, thank you. My situation is a bit different from most for reasons I don't want to get into but at any rate I haven't lived in the US for 14 years now, although I am a US citizen. I'm now in a very crowded Asian city and if "TSHTF" here I doubt I'd survive very long. Fortunately I've got over a year's supply of food and water as well as other necessities stockpiled in my small apartment (incl. small generator and fuel sources). If I had to I could board up the door and not come out for over 12 months unless something went badly wrong with the plumbing. Heck, I basically almost live that way now anyway.

When I was a kid many zillions of years ago I did grow up in a rural part of the USA and I spent my teen years farming, so I do a bit about rural survival (although that was now so long ago both in real and psychological terms I don't even know what good it would do me).

I'm just getting so demoralized by the news. It's so bleak, even though I've been expecting all this and worse for years, decades even. It feels like the end is finally around the corner and I don't even know if I *want* to survive it.

Good lord, CA is going to release 40,000 to 60,000 inamtes? Call me a crazy psychic, i foresee crime going up 200%.. ontop of thier financial problems.

I used to want to live in CA because its a lovely climate and area... now not so much. I think Ill enjoy my humidity down here in Houston.

reply to post by ziggy1706

This is NOT true. CA does not want to do this. it is a federal order that has nothing to do with the financial problem in Ca. This has to do with lack of adequate medical care for prisoners and overcrowding. No final decision has been made, and Ca has been stonewalling this directive for months now.
And finally, can't anyone here see a BS dog and pony show for taxpayers to make them believe they really really really don't want to raise our taxes again? CA will have its budget before the end of this week, and they can go back to filling there pockets with tax $...bizness as usual.