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FDA Declares Form of Vitamin B6 a Drug

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posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 07:47 AM
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Originally posted by defcon5
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You are acting as though the FDA has banned this stuff, but in reality they simply want you to be under the care of a physician if you are taking it. It obviously has some side effects that can be dangerous if taken incorrectly. The red rice you mention in the OP were the same way, they could have serious ramifications on a persons liver if not taken correctly. Most the drugs out there, whether they are over the counter or not, come from naturally occurring substances. If you don't believe me look into many botany books and you will see how many drugs are extracted from plants, but then are refined and concentrated by the pharmaceutical companies.

You can still get the vitamins, but you need a script from a doctor now to get it.



Yes, a prescription. Germany now does this. you need a prescription from your doctor, to buy vitamin C in tiny doses that are useless and don't help you in any way, at 10X the cost. You have to take 1 gram of C a day, to get through the brain/blood barrier. You have receptors in your brain for vitamin C, ones the pharmaceutical companies create dangerous drugs to bond to. Now, pharmacueautical companies sell the natural vitamins, in small useless amounts.

This is your life, your childrens life, and an issue of major concern. Everyone has to slam dunk this and the dinosaurs behind it back to the stone ages.




posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 07:50 AM
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This movement within the US FDA -- that is largely influenced by the multi-billion dollar pharmaceutical industry -- to gain total control over the sale of vitamins is a very bad sign of things to come.


It is all about GREED. They want the vitamin industry to be out of the picture so they can make much more money with the sale of prescription and nonprescription drugs.

This is the same reason why the electric car has had such a hard time becoming available to the mainstream public. GREED. The oil and automobile industry makes much more money off of gas guzzlers than it does with electric cars that require much less maintenance -- no filters, spark plugs, oil changes, etc.


Originally posted by king9072
So some people claim a natural remedy works to help alleviate or heal something, and they get fined and shut down.


Originally posted by defcon5
No they get shut down because they fail to go through the proper steps to responsibly ensure the safety of what they are peddling. A lot of those folks are nothing more then snake oil salesmen to begin with, which is probably the third oldest profession.

King9072 is quite right


Sure, on rare occasions there are snake oil salesmen. But there are also very conscientious researchers who have come up with CURES and who have been SILENCED by a local government.

Here is a perfect example...

Back in the 1990s there was a Canadian herbalist who came up with a blend of herbs to cure cancer. Not just treat but CURE. He provided this remedy to family and friends and clients.

The Canadian government then stepped in and declared that a thorough testing of the "remedy" must first be conducted


Lo and behold, you know what they discovered?

The herbal remedy ACTUALLY CURED CANCER!!


So what did they do?

Did they make that remedy available to the general public?

No.

Instead, THEY BANNED IT.

The herbalist then left the country and last I heard (from an article in a 1990s native american publication), he set up a clinic in Mexico.

So there is in fact a conspiracy on a federal level and in more than one country to squash cures.


Just think what would happen if they cured AIDS or the myriad forms of cancer. Billions of research dollars and all the medical staffs that get their salaries doing research and experiments would all lose their jobs. Many don't want that to happen either.

All you have to do is follow the money trail to find the rats behind the cause, any cause that involves GREED.

Kudos to king9072 for hitting the nail on the head.




[edit on 16-2-2009 by Paul_Richard]



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 08:35 AM
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Why dont you just eat healthy food with all the vitamins in it like has happened since the dawn of time?

If this is a scientologist propaganda campaign It is the knowledge that we are prisoners from another planet locked by lord Xenu that is the basis for OT3.



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 08:39 AM
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Originally posted by spacial
Why dont you just eat healthy food with all the vitamins in it like has happened since the dawn of time?

If this is a scientologist propaganda campaign It is the knowledge that we are prisoners from another planet locked by lord Xenu that is the basis for OT3.


There is nothing wrong with topping up your diet each day with a rounded multivitamin. Also if you are heavy into sports then getting enough from your diet to run at your peak is rather tricky, that's why athletes supplement. This is all secondary however the idea that the government can ban something which isn't harmful if it is used correctly.



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 08:41 AM
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I think they should get rid of the requirements to get prescriptions for anything. That would solve my heathcare crisis. I'd no longer have to go to the doc and pay close to 1k a year in doctors visits to go get my 4.00 a month drug.



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 08:45 AM
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Originally posted by hadriana
I think they should get rid of the requirements to get prescriptions for anything. That would solve my heathcare crisis. I'd no longer have to go to the doc and pay close to 1k a year in doctors visits to go get my 4.00 a month drug.


Hey if you had socialized healthcare you wouldn't have to pay that either and only a small part of your taxes would go towards it
Prescriptions obviously can't be abolished for real drugs otherwise lots of people would die.

It's shocking to see what the price of private medicine does to the costs of your healthcare. Glad i'm in the UK.



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 09:35 AM
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Yes, theybanned pyridoxine. However, they didn't mention, so far as I can see from the link, pyridoxine hydrachloride, or C8H11NO3, another form of B6. And you can get 100% of the Daily requirement y eating 8 oz. of yellowfin tuna or 3 bananas.Or find some pyridoxal phosphate. In any event, probably est to stay below 200 mg/day.


[edit on 16-2-2009 by 4nsicdoc]



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 09:50 AM
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The FDA also banned B17 also called Amigladin a naturally occurring substance in the seeds of apples and appricots ect. a cure for most types of cancer used by Europeans and Asians for centuries.



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 09:51 AM
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I'm curious though, if this is banned, why can I still buy it? Even Amazon.com carries it.



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 10:17 AM
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Vitamin is a drug but they won't ban celebrex?

my father got kidney failure due to Celebrex and now he's on dialysis.
But they still keep recommending it.

What's up with that?



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 10:35 AM
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This is just another attack on the working class. We have randum drug testing where I work at. A growing national trend with companies today. So now I must throw out my Vitamin B6 and B12 since it wasn't prescribed? So I don't risk instant termination of employment.



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 10:36 AM
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WRONG! They label everything as a drug cause "ONLY" drugs can cure or treat a disease. Thats how they want it so that they can charge massive for it, and regulate and treat it like a 'drug' whether it is or not. Saying anything that is not LABELED A DRUG, can cure or treat any disease will land you in prison.

So some people claim a natural remedy works to help alleviate or heal something, and they get fined and shut down. Cause only drugs can do that according to the Nazi Party, err... FDA.

But look at Scurvy, thats a 'disease' and all you need to CURE it is vitamin C, say perhaps from ORANGES, or LIMEYS etc. But the FDA believes that I should NOT be able to tell you that Vitamin C will cure the disease of Scurvy, cause its not a drug!

They want to do this with everything considered 'natural'. They will be listing vitamins and nutrients as TOXINS as of Dec 31, 2009. All this is OUT IN THE OPEN IN THEIR OWN REPORTS! CODEX ALIMENTARIUS IS REAL AND WILL LEAD TO THE DEATH OF ALL OF US!


Hear Hear, absolutely spot on m8



Chuffer



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by defcon5

Originally posted by king9072
WRONG! They label everything as a drug cause "ONLY" drugs can cure or treat a disease.

There are plenty of over the counter drugs that can treat various things, and there are things such as red rice which cure nothing yet they are treated as drugs. One of the reasons has to do with side effects, and the fact that many people think that they cannot hurt themselves with over the counter medications. The other reason for FDA being tough is the amount of fraud that exists out there in alternative medical treatment groups. As an example: those spring-loaded band-aids that one company claims will stop snoring, but have no effect on the airway where actual occlusion occurs, yet they are still out there selling them.


Originally posted by king9072
Thats how they want it so that they can charge massive for it, and regulate and treat it like a 'drug' whether it is or not.

Maybe you should go look at how expensive vitimins are...

If anything the cost of this will go down because it will now have to be covered under your prescription drug portion of your health insurance.


Originally posted by king9072
So some people claim a natural remedy works to help alleviate or heal something, and they get fined and shut down.

No they get shut down because they fail to go through the proper steps to responsibly ensure the safety of what they are peddling. A lot of those folks are nothing more then snake oil salesmen to begin with, which is probably the third oldest profession
Things like Cancell come to mind when discussing why the FDA requires you meet their guidelines before selling something. The same thing holds true for the food co-ops who were similarly trying to by-pass FDA health/safety regulations.


[edit on 2/16/2009 by defcon5]


Those so called hoops that the FDA want people to jump thru costs about $100 million to get these things tested. The FDA knows full well that most of the people who claim how good alternatives are don't have the financial clout to go head to head with the Pharma companies.It's a one way easy street for the big boys and they are clamping down, not based on the efficacy but on GREED. All Pharma drugs have side effects as they are made of synthetic chemicals, yes at one time they were made from plants, herbs etc but even the common aspirin is no longer made from willow bark. I noticed in your other post that you work in the field, no surprise there then about where your loyalties stand. I have for many years taken nothing but alternative medicines/vitamins etc and I wouldn't put anything else into or onto my body. The only time I would be grateful for any Pharma drug/s would be if I had been shot, stabbed, in a RTA but then again we are talking about trauma NOT disease/s

Chuffer



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 11:00 AM
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I am between a rock and a hard place concerning drugs and vitamins.

For several years I took Metformin aka Glucophage, the most popular drug for diabetes. Because of this drug I developed a B12 and B6 deficiency and also had began to have kidney failure.

My doctor did not tell me what was causing my problems I told him after I had done much research.

He immediately told me to not take any more of the drug. I had already stopped and told him so. He prescribed weekly B12 injections and B6 tablets and insulin injections.

During the same office visit he also took me off two other drugs, actos and accolate.

I was taking 14 pills every day. I stopped taking many of the prescribed drugs and am now down to 6 pills a day.

My hair is now twice as thick as it was, my skin looks better, my kidneys are functioning better, and I feel much better.

That's the problems I have with prescribed drugs......they can kill you slowly. But I also have a problem with OTC vitamins.

The vitamin industry mainly does it's own quality control. You can not be sure of the potency or ingredients in the vitamins on the drug store shelf.

I would like to see some type of testing and regulations concerning any pill I ingest.

There are so many supplements sold that are useless and sometimes dangerous just like some prescribed drugs.

The FDA needs a complete remodeling to protect we the people.



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 11:15 AM
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I'm here to tell you there is always an alternative to westernized medicine ... if I'd stayed on the Chemo therapy it would have killed me. Instead I walk out
of the treatment over 3 years ago to use essiac tea.

Not only that I was raised in a family of 5 medical physicians and the one thing that they all stressed was don't believe what the drug companies tell you. There have been way to many recalls or deaths.



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 11:18 AM
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Well i would agree that the quality of vitamins and minerals needs testing. When tested lots of supplements have been found to include very little of the ingredient that is on the label. So yes i would support testing to see if they contained what they said at the levels they state, but i don't support a ban on vitamins and minerals being sold.



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 11:36 AM
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Originally posted by JBA2848

FDA Declares Form of Vitamin B6 a Drug


www.liveleak.com

The FDA has effectively banned a naturally-occurring form of vitamin B6 called pyridoxamine by declaring it to be a drug, reports the American Association for Health Freedom. Responding to a petition filed by a drug company, the FDA declared pyridoxamine to be "a new drug."


The FDA's war on Mother Nature
It's not the first time the FDA has declared a natural molecule to be a "drug" while attacking nutritional supplements that contain the same molecule. A similar story unfolded with red yeast rice and the lovastatin molecules it contains that lower high cholesterol. The drug companies engaged in biopiracy, ripping off the molecule from red yeast rice to make their now-famous "statin drugs." Once the statin drugs were patented, Big Pharma and the FDA went after red yeast rice, claiming the supplement was "adulterated with pharmaceuticals."

(visit the link for the full news article)



When the *snip* are they going to give the *snip* up.

The drug war is lost completely it is the biggest fail in American history.

BILLIONS of dollars are vaporized every year as well as prisons being filled up with NON VIOLENT drug offenders (mostly pot heads) when the prisons could be filled with rapists, murders, thief's etc... instead

All i say to this is BLEH BLEH BLASPHEMY BLEHHHH!!!!!!!

This is the fifth line.

-Psycho



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 12:23 PM
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About Vitamin B6:

Vitamin B6 is a common term for three chemically related compounds, pyridoxine, hydrochloride Pyridoxine and pyridoxamin.
These three substances are all converted to the two auxiliary enzymes in the body, involved in the movement of individual protein components (amino acids), fatty acids and nuclear (DNA).


How to get vitamin B6:

The main sources of B6 are lean meat, vegetables, whole grains and milk.
Meat, fish, poultry, cereals and vegetables.
Most of the vitamin is degraded by frying, boiling and exposure to light.


Why do you need B6?:

Vitamin B6 is used in transformation of the nutrients you eat.
The need for B vitamins increases during periods of illness, stress and hard work.


Search and you shall find



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 12:33 PM
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In Norway and Germany, the entire health food industry has literally been taken over by the drug companies. In these countries, vitamin C above 200 mg is illegal as is vitamin E above 45 IU, vitamin B1 over 2.4 mg and so on.

Look, health is money. If the means of maintaining a healthy body becomes increasingly difficult, then "the care of health" becomes increasingly profitable.

Sure, a great number of people don't bother with vitamins because they figure they can get all their nutrients from their food. Well what happens when food continues is nutritional slide? You don't need me to tell you. Look at our huge population of overweight and unhealthy. Half of them are starving from some type of nutritional deficiency from their lack of real food. Chronic disease is everywhere, more so than any other time. Sure people may not "look" sick, but chances are, they're taking something to manage some type of affliction. People are sicker now then they've ever been, plain and simple.

As everyone's favourite "boxed" foods continues to flood the dinner tables, we'll continue to wear-out the prescription pads. Our food is being changed permanently and this vitamin conquest is one stage of many to the "unhealthy profitable human" (us).

Do you think you have and will always have control of your food?

We know about GMO seeds. We know nutritional value can be programmed into these seeds. We know Monsanto literally bought-up and now owns most of the major seed companies in the entire world. We know Monsanto is hugely invested and involved in Big Chema (or Big Chemical Company) processes. We know Big Chema and Big Pharma are as closely related as any too industries can possibly be...

Should I keep going?



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by StrangeBrew

We know about GMO seeds. We know nutritional value can be programmed into these seeds. We know Monsanto literally bought-up and now owns most of the major seed companies in the entire world. We know Monsanto is hugely invested and involved in Big Chema (or Big Chemical Company) processes. We know Big Chema and Big Pharma are as closely related as any too industries can possibly be...

Should I keep going?


I must admit the current state of agriculture worries the hell out of me. The fact that plants are being programmed to not produce viable seed is wrong on many levels and is based solely upon making the companies more profits. Forcing farmers into having to buy from them is surely against the law? It's basically racketeering.

It's also interesting to see that plants which have their yields increased genetically often have massively reduced levels of vitamins and minerals. This makes sense as the soil can only provide so much nutrition to a plant so i guess the plant just spreads it around.




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