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Canadian judge: No warrant needed to see ISP logs

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posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 10:34 AM
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Canadian judge: No warrant needed to see ISP logs


arstechnica.com

A Superior Court in Ontario, Canada has ruled that IP addresses are akin to your home address, and therefore people have no expectation of privacy when it comes to their online activities being accessed by law enforcement. This means that, in Canada, police can potentially request information from your ISP about online activities, and can do so without a warrant.
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posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 10:34 AM
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Wow, the wrongness of this is astouding, how can your ip be comparable to your home address?
What about people who live in apartment blocks that have the same ip?
This is so wrong, your paying a private company for a private service and yet it can now be found to be in the public domain, i thought canadians were on top of the game, but apparantly not.

arstechnica.com
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 10:55 AM
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Welcome to the New North American Union and our new constitution. The ist Amendment to that constitution is..Tough crap, we know everything and you can't stop us.!!! I feel for you! The judge is an idiot!


Zindo



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 11:16 AM
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Ok, this is how you deal with this law...
make sure you have a router ... wireless ... and you leave it unlocked ...

good luck on reaching == beyond a shadow of a doubt with that configuration

Online illegal activities can be stopped if the state wanted to stop them. they just exclude that IP from the web at the access point. called IP Blocking.

[edit on 15-2-2009 by BornPatriot]



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 11:16 AM
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The funny thing is... how many people secure their wireless router?
I know my neighbor doesn't


I'm sort of surprised they can't already do this. The only reason I could see an ISP not giving up the information is because of the hassle. Don't think you sign anything agreeing that everything you do on the internet is private.

[edit on 2/15/2009 by Bumr055]



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 12:00 PM
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We must start making all of our IPs fully anonymous these days. Its the only way to get real privacy. I definitley will do what I can to recommend anonymous proxy services or some alternative. But first I have to figure out what a good system may be myself. I don't entirely trust large anonymous services.



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 12:06 PM
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Ok obviously your ip address is not the same as your home address.
But even if it was, its private information.Right?
And they need a warrant to search your home address do they not?
So clearly they should need a warrant to search your IP address should they not?
This makes absolutely no sense and this person needs to be fired immediately.



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 01:48 PM
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I don't think anonymous IP programs will work. I don't know much about them but I'm pretty sure that it just sends the info through your ISP and then to a remote server.. Just to stay anonymous to whatever sites/servers your connected to from that server.

I think if you were truly anonymous from your ISP you couldn't connect because you wouldn't be listed as a paying customer. There must be full encryption programs out there but I think whatever your using would have to have the feature in it also(ie ATS would need encryption with your unique key.)



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 01:55 PM
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If i use a proxy, my isp cant tell what sites im on other than i am logged on, they know there is traffic they just dont know what! Role on quantum computing where we dont have to put up with this crap!
Quantum will also bring down nation states as they wont be able to tell who did what with there money and as such they wont be able to tax it.



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 03:17 PM
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How do you know that your data is private before it gets to the proxy? Wont it have to pass through your ISP in order to get to the proxy?


I think if the information was truly secure as it passes through the ISP to the proxy then there would be no reason for the proxy. I probably just need to read more on it though.



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 03:47 PM
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Idiotic decision. IP's should be comparable to your mail instead of your address. Police cant open mail without a reason and they shouldn't be allowed to see peoples online activity either. This just opens all kinds of possibilities for abuse. Canadians better get this decision overturned before it starts to spread



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 04:04 PM
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ok a few notes

ur IP Adress is the same as your address
but not the reverse

doesn't matter if you have an appt., everyone will have a different ISP Account, thefore different IP Addresses

These should not be needed as arguments for these cases

This is an invasion of privacy

this means everyone is a suspect
that is sufficient as a winning argument



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 04:11 PM
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i dont care?

I look at porn, from time to time. staright up.

but i dont look at illegal # or looking up how to make bombs.
neither should anyone else.



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 04:13 PM
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Well don't any of you see how this makes absolutely no sense and how this judge has just spoken complete nonsense?
She is saying your IP address is the same as your home address, right?
And the Police need a warrant to search your home address.Correct?
So therefore they need one to search your ip logs.
She is saying that your ip address is the same as your home address, but the Police don't need a warrant to search your ip address.
This makes no sense.



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 05:07 PM
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whats illegal on the internet besides kiddie porn? I have looked up how to make bombs, iv also looked up how to make nuclear bombs, to top it off i once looked up a recipie for quiche.
Information is not illegal nor should it be.



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by BorgHoffen
Ok obviously your ip address is not the same as your home address.
But even if it was, its private information.Right?
And they need a warrant to search your home address do they not?
So clearly they should need a warrant to search your IP address should they not?
This makes absolutely no sense and this person needs to be fired immediately.



Yes they should. In nations of "rights" the benefit should go to the people. These morons are so state power hungry that they believe anything not explicit is their area to traverse.



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 05:29 PM
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Originally posted by Europe
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whats illegal on the internet besides kiddie porn? I have looked up how to make bombs, iv also looked up how to make nuclear bombs, to top it off i once looked up a recipie for quiche.
Information is not illegal nor should it be.


And they cant stop kiddie porn on the net yet they hassle regular citizens with crap like this. What a joke they are.



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 05:42 PM
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I'm not sure if everyone knows this or not.
You IP addy is only one part of the equation. There is also your MAC(media access control) number which is unique to each and every machine, and each method of connection, ie: lan card, wi-fi card, modem. This is how 2 people can hook up to the same wi-fi access point and it knows which machine receives which packet..(well, part of it)see? So while you may think just moving your ip will do the trick your MAC addy still tells TPTB it was your machine that was receiving those packets.
A quick google search should enlighten you further as to how to proceed.

TheWelder



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 05:44 PM
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Well coming from a guy who owns businesses in IT and Network Engineering, this does not really scare me, and it's not really new.

ISP providers have been giving out this information to police officers for years, they simply needed to have it on paper that it was ok to do so.

Wouln't want to end up in the same boat as Verizon and AT&T scandal now would they.

And to tell you the truth, most ISP providers don't provide they're customers with static IP's anymore, they're all dynamic, meaning they change constantly everytime you log on, everytime the power goes out.

It's actually very easy to keep these things hidden and to keep swapping ISP's throughout the day.

I would suggest anybody who does not want their IP known, to simply download a proxy and work around that, it's much easier than configuring you're router for anonymous browsing.

Ohh and for MAC addresses, my office has about 20 pods set up, who all look like the same exact computer on my network, these things can be changed or modified at will.

~Keeper

[edit on 2/15/2009 by tothetenthpower]



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