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Close minded people.........

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posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 11:51 AM
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This is something I wrote for us conspiracy theorists...Though I don't theorize anything, in essence what I do is crunch data...But if everyone in the country could see what I have seen there would be revolution the next day...The same can be said for many on this site.

Musings on the realities of Conspiracy




posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 04:29 PM
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dont care about what other people think about


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never hear at them.

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sometimes you have to take silence, cause there are 90% people out there who WILL NEVER BE OPEN-MINDED!!!!!



Nia Wind the panda



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by Aldolas
Just a tip, next time you read alternative news here, check the link and when your friend asks you if you got it off ATS, answer with, no actually from ... ...

Make sure it's a (for him)acceptable newssource. That should shut him up after a couple of times ^^


That's what I do. Rather than say I visited ATS or any other conspiracy site, I say I came across it in the news etc. I've learnt alot from this site, and of course there are theories posted on here that I don't personally subscribe to, just as I have my own ideas that others would deem rubbish. It's somewhat tricky to know who you can say things to and who you just shouldn't waste your time with. I try to test the waters before I say anything, which isn't always successful, but for the most part it is.

Then again you'd be surprised that some of these close-minded people actually do have some "out there" beliefs, they just don't let on they do, for various reasons.



[edit on 15-2-2009 by violet]



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 05:08 PM
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how about you accept there point of view and stop complaining that they dont accept yours.



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 05:19 PM
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I agree with that last post. Think about the postition that 9/11 was an inside job. If any evidence comes up angenst it, its just more evidence that theres a conspiricy, because evidence against is (in conspiricy theorist eyes) is evidence for. Think. Is there any evidence that could convince you that it wasn't an inside job? probaly not. Where as all the other side needs is some proof that the government was definatly involved beyond a resonible doubt. Which is close minded, the postition that will change with reasonible evidence, or the one that is preconditioned to not change with new facts.



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 05:28 PM
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You know what I'm sick of? People who think their opinion is so important that it's worth being rude to others' just to get it across. Mind your manners.



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 05:56 PM
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sorry, disregard this post, accident

[edit on 15-2-2009 by houdanny]



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 06:20 PM
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Tis a lonely world for those that are awakening...........

I used to be on that closed minded side, all the time I thought I was open minded but wasn't...................it is really hard reasoning with those that are still in the position I was. See that wall? Might as well bang your head on that!


I still am opening more and more. The "brain washing" that religion gives us has taken quite a few years to wear down to the point I am at now.

frustration abounds! But hang in there!



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 06:29 PM
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wow thanks alot evryonebody for all of your replies so far they are all seriously great and i appreciate the kind words and advice from most and no offence to any of the other posts but his one called out to me quite a lot actually



Tis a lonely world for those that are awakening...........

I used to be on that closed minded side, all the time I thought I was open minded but wasn't...................it is really hard reasoning with those that are still in the position I was. See that wall? Might as well bang your head on that!


I still am opening more and more. The "brain washing" that religion gives us has taken quite a few years to wear down to the point I am at now.

frustration abounds! But hang in there!


mainly because it describes exactly me

I used to think i was open minded even though i wasnt or wasnt compared to the now i think that may be why its more frustrating being around closeminded individuals because i used to be there and im where i am now so i know that they should also be here now aswell so thank you to all the posts especially this one



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 07:09 PM
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Unfortunately, as too many people on these types of boards (including this one), take anything at face value, sans proof, logic, or common sense, don't expect people's attitudes to change. Nor disclosure of anything to be a reality.

Why disclose when people assume that anything that is a spec HAS to be a UFO?

As far as 9/11 goes, there are far too many people that approach the entire thing with an exceptionally biased and slanted angle, that you can't take them seriously. It's difficult to make headway, when every single "truther" out there automatically accepts ANY theory, if it supports their idea that our government is evil. Common sense? Not required!

They conveniently ignore anything that does not meet the criteria for their theory, and rabidly and insultingly attack anyone who opposes them. Are you really surprised people think they are full of rubbish? I've left threads disgusted, because of the attacks and ridiculous logic on this board alone. So I'm not terribly surprised.



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 07:15 PM
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While I agree with the reasons that you illustrate for Aliens and UFOs and a lot of the 9/11 stuff, the government is evil. Not by choice, but by nature. We have systemic corruption in this nation. And it is pervasive and stretches across the planet ad infinitum. To cause as much harm as the worlds' governments have over history in the interest of childish selfishness is evil indeed. The levels at which they operate now are intolerable, and the planet cannot take much more of this crap.



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 07:20 PM
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why are so many people are so f...ing stupid. I cant get my head round the fact that people cant see what is going on in the world. The government,banks,pharmacutical companies,social elite, are taking our eye balls out so we cant see. Then they come back for the sockets. ive tried talking to people about this they just think im f...ing nuts if it wasnt for this site and all the people on here id probably think i was nuts. Theres so much information out there for people to see whats going on why is it taking so long for people to realise there being screwed by these people.
Once you open your eyes its so plain to see. The most hated four words in the english language are I TOLD YOU SO! i cant wait to say this when the # hits the fan. I cant wait to say that to all the dickhead armchair sceptics who havent even bothered to pick up a book or turn on a computer and do even a bit of research on anything that might take them out of there comfort zone. I think people just dont like the thought of being mugged off by people they belive we are supposed to trust and put our faith in. Is it just me or does everybody experience these type of closed minded idiots???????????????????????



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 07:40 PM
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awl in time, define the line and set your venture
when i awake i know that i have been sleeping for a long time
center the spine and align the cosmos
apropos dispose the nascent notion
rub on the lotion while being hosed down
my whole crown chakra exploded enormous
form this gorgeous creature and allow me to teach her

very soon the boon will become illuminated
all flowers have bloomed in unison
the fallen one versus the solemn son
all days fade and change as part of the great ancient
stay patient and let go of your complacent face
peel back the mask and ask for forgiveness
heal this place and shape your days



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 07:45 PM
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Closed-mindedness... it is very frustrating at times. When speaking to a closed mind about new ideas, be aware that a closed mind is like a closed book... just a block of wood.

To be fair to the closed minded people... there must be a reason why humanity is so succeptible to becoming a block of closed minded wood.

I would think that it has something to do with where we come from....as in the place we are before we incarnate into this body. Who were we then? What did we know? And, if we knew a lot more than we do incarnated here, why did we choose to incarnate here in the first place? The answer to ignorance is that we are uncomfortable with the truth.... and our very being is a testament to this.

Here's a scenario. Say that YOU were God..... and everything was your creation. You had all knowledge that could ever be known.

Where would you go from there? Who would you ask why to? What reason is there for you? The truth would be that there is no reason. The truth would be that all of your creation is meaningless. The truth would be that right and wrong are also your creations, therefore there is no real justice, no real peace, no real goals, no higher states of being, no answers, no final outcomes, nowhere else to go.

Now.... say you are God, and you have decided to become one little facet of your creation. Would you want to know everything while you were focusing on being this facet? It would be hard to concentrate on facet-dom if you still knew it all.

Now ponder this. Is the whole conspiracy necessarily not of our choosing?
Is it maybe a manifestation of what lies just below the surface in our collective subconscious? It is not without saying that indeed the lies and the illusion have become beyond ridiculous, but I often wonder if it is not some innate echo of fear of ultimate knowledge from the infinite expanse which has allowed humanity as a whole to unconsciously build this whole network of suppression which we live in now.

I believe we've had "help" from other "places". Sometime a long time ago, an Occultist may have stumbled upon a powerful entity that may have manipulated the ego of said person or said group to FEAR the truth SO MUCH that a deal was struck, and a "distraction machine" was built: civilization. This device, called civilization, turned a basic human instinctual knowledge of its being in relation to all else into not only a FEAR of this ultimate truth, but a FEAR of any piece of knowledge which may eventually lead to this one final truth. The conspiracy STARTS with civilization itself. What IS civilization, exactly?

Denial of any path of truth = denial of the true nature of self

People crave illusion and distraction so much because from cradle to grave, we are told that this distraction is good, but everything else not of said distraction is bad. We're never given adequate time and distance to be alone with ourselves and to know and become comfortable with what we are. We're always being rushed into things without thought. We're always thinking about doing things, and never about what those things actually are saying. Life speaks from all directions to us, but the closed minded suffer from years and years of being rushed so fast that by the time the breath of God has reached where their ears should be.... they're somewhere else thinking about doing something else, and yet again the Voice is spoken, and yet again the recipient hurries away and misses the sound.

The truth is harsh. God (I use the word God for metaphoric purposes) speaks loud and without restraint. If you don't tremble, if you don't feel overwhelmed, if your ego isn't punched square in the jaw and left writhing on the floor for a spell, if you don't suffer a massive nervous breakdown at least once... then you've never really heard the truth.

And if you are not prepared to lose all confidence in your confidences, as most people nowadays are not prepared to do....most people on this site are not prepared... then you are most likely close minded to a vast amount of things.

The lesson here is not that truth is bad. Truth is only bad if your ego doesn't cope well with it. Your ego isn't your ruler, though. You can change the way you feel by actively observing yourself being the way you are, and by weeding out all those characteristics which are pre-programmed in you by sources not of the observer inside of you.

When you are the observer, the mind is eternally open because, in fact, you are just observing. All these colors and shapes and feelings and vibes and sounds and lights and activity.... they're all just patterns. All life, death, love, hate, construction, destruction.... are just changes in the pattern.... and the observer just watches the changes in awe of it all.

You know nothing. Start with that, closed minded people. If you know nothing, then you've got nothing threatening any mental construct which arises in the midst of the illusion of knowledge.

Yep. I said it.

SIDE NOTE: Anyone who reads this post and many others I have posted in the past will hopefully begin to understand why a certain religious ideology strikes a deep dischord with me. To be responsible for the world is to be human, and nobody is "chosen" above anybody else to do this. A certain religious ideology, more than any other ideology in my opinion, plays into a person's ego so much so that it has become sort of a "Holier Than Thou" Western religion which has gained a notorious reputation of damning any questioners into the true validity of said ideology. The threat from Christ was that he challenged the Holier Than Thou ideology and said that EVERYONE was responsible for EVERYthing....and all are equal and able to transcend the flesh as well as have an equal right to be of flesh.

You see, it is the VERY OUESTIONS which are the most taboo which we should be asking and speaking our opinions on. This is true open mindedness, and any ideology which has been instilled in you which blocks you from "going there" will keep your mind in a closed box..... which may be a very big box, but it is still closed and even if the top is open, the walls are tall and make weary of one who may seek to scale them.



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 07:49 PM
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Bravo to you for speaking out. No matter how hard anyone tries, no matter what anyone thinks.... you can never hide the truth. It will eventually come out. I love how everyone always complains about "conspiracy theorists." Often times the word conspiracy is associated with a lie. If it wasn't for conspiracy theorists the truth would never be brought to the forefront. If people want to rid the world of the theorist, rid the world of conspiracy's first. But we all know that will never happen, at least not in this lifetime. I'm always going to tell the truth no matter what. I've noticed that I can be in a room with ten people listening to a particular conversation on a subject (such as 911)that I know they are lying about. I'll throw in a little truth in with all of their lying crap and one of two things happens, either they will get mad raise their voice (as in your case) or they go silent. Truth is powerful thing, and these day's it's the best thing to be armed with. It's a shame it's so hard to find. Me and alot of others have a thirst for the truth, and that's why we come here. This website is a truth goldmine, and I'm thankful that it exists.



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 07:53 PM
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posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 07:55 PM
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I agree. I am tired of close mindedness, and people who argue with no valid evidence at all, but can't understand why that is a problem.

What may be worse is the stunned cow look where the person doesn't even argue, they just look at me with glazed-over eyes. Sometimes I say, "Sorry I woke you, go back to sleep." It doesn't seem to offend them because they still don't get it.



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 08:02 PM
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Ugh I get this from my husband ALL.THE.TIME.

It does get really frusterating, as soon as I start to talk about something I read on the site, he says "Do you believe everything you read on the internet." $%$%&!!!!



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 09:53 PM
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Finally someone who understands,

I know how you feel man. I was talking about conspiracy theories and I brought up the view of an inside job for 9/11. The person Im talking to says "Oh well people who think that are crazy." Un freaken believable. Same with aliens and UFO's. People laugh at even the mention of it...



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 10:03 PM
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well. Not that your language hasen't formed my opinions on you all ready, but I'm a skeptik. Am I a dickhead? I do research, and know about a topic before I argue my opinion for it. That was very insulting.



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