Does anyone have an older photo of Jupiter for comparison to that latest one? Does this latest one look totaly normal? I thought Jupiter was supposed to be orange. And where are all the spots? Sorry to nit-pick.

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I dont know if anyone has mentioned this yet but in 2010 space odyssey
a black spot apears on jupiter remarkably similar to the one that is there now. The statistics for this to be a coincidence are not very likely. Considering the other secrets Mr Clarke has reveiled in his movie. The fact that he has jupiter igniting in 2010 is very freaky. And remember all
u know it alls if the human mind can think about something it is possible.
The only things that are not possible are those beyond are comprehension. I guess that is the play ground of the God's.

he he i just been reading this thread and boy have you guys made me giggle, i just want to ask a couple of things and let you all know a couple of facts about this issue...

so questions first... do any of know anything about fusion, plasma and pressure levels?

does anybody know anything about the core of jupiter, cus none of the space agencies do.

why are all of you saying we would be toast if it did light, thats one of stupidest things i have every hurd, its not a giant nuclear war head you know?? what protects the earth from the sun? and arn't we actually closer to the sun than we are to jupiter? also isn't the sun a lot bigger than jupiter?? some of you people seriously make me laugh

ok now to some facts... all the information about jupiter is speculation, we have no solid evidence of pressure levels of whats happening bellow the the surface of jupiter, we don't even know what is at the core of jupiter

the temperature under the gas layer is said to be about 7000 kelvin composing of mainly liquid helium and hydrogen, and they ESTIMATE the core to be at a temperature of about 20,000 kelvin now this don't sound too bad until you notice that these scientist in there great wisdom have stated there is frozen layer between the core and the metalic helium,,, i mean ello there is something quite wrong with your instruments or this theory to think you can get frozen ice between 7000 kelvin in temp and 20,000 kelvin in temp i would go as far as saying that is just stupidity to state.

ok still on the core i guess they don't know whats there cus they can't image it and that explains this ice theory they got, "oh it must be ice"
let me put this into prospective for you...the core is 10 times the size of earth roughly and its under about 80,000 bar pressure even if the core is not in a plasma-tic state its going to be seriously hot and ice just is not an option for a planet omitting serious amounts of heat let alone a magnet field ass huge as jupiters

jupiter is still contracting witch means the pressure levels are still rising, as it contracts it will continue to exert more force on the molecule's inside its core making it hotter.

i will be quite frank with you now based on estimates jupiter is no where close to igniting but as it contracts there is a strong possibility it will reach the pressure and temperature for a small burn cycle, i think at the core there is a very unstable ball of iron and rock and this is fluidic and still heating up explaining the magnetic field being the size it is, and its frequent irregularities that where measured by casini and the other probe i can't remember its name now.

it won't explode its simply spinning too fast and when it does ignite long into the future witch i think it will, it will be a slow steady thing, its not a star or even a red dwarf, one thing you guys did get right, it wouldn't burn for long in the respect of a star or even a red dwarf, a blink of an eye is probably the best way to think of it as quick as it lit it would die out again, its not big enough to sustain long term fusion.

thats my 5c on this subject anyway

Originally posted by sema sema
he he i just been reading this thread and boy have you guys made me giggle, i just want to ask a couple of things and let you all know a couple of facts about this issue...

so questions first... do any of know anything about fusion, plasma and pressure levels?

does anybody know anything about the core of jupiter, cus none of the space agencies do.

why are all of you saying we would be toast if it did light, thats one of stupidest things i have every hurd, its not a giant nuclear war head you know?? what protects the earth from the sun? and arn't we actually closer to the sun than we are to jupiter? also isn't the sun a lot bigger than jupiter?? some of you people seriously make me laugh

ok now to some facts... all the information about jupiter is speculation, we have no solid evidence of pressure levels of whats happening bellow the the surface of jupiter, we don't even know what is at the core of jupiter

the temperature under the gas layer is said to be about 7000 kelvin composing of mainly liquid helium and hydrogen, and they ESTIMATE the core to be at a temperature of about 20,000 kelvin now this don't sound too bad until you notice that these scientist in there great wisdom have stated there is frozen layer between the core and the metalic helium,,, i mean ello there is something quite wrong with your instruments or this theory to think you can get frozen ice between 7000 kelvin in temp and 20,000 kelvin in temp i would go as far as saying that is just stupidity to state.

ok still on the core i guess they don't know whats there cus they can't image it and that explains this ice theory they got, "oh it must be ice"
let me put this into prospective for you...the core is 10 times the size of earth roughly and its under about 80,000 bar pressure even if the core is not in a plasma-tic state its going to be seriously hot and ice just is not an option for a planet omitting serious amounts of heat let alone a magnet field ass huge as jupiters

jupiter is still contracting witch means the pressure levels are still rising, as it contracts it will continue to exert more force on the molecule's inside its core making it hotter.

i will be quite frank with you now based on estimates jupiter is no where close to igniting but as it contracts there is a strong possibility it will reach the pressure and temperature for a small burn cycle, i think at the core there is a very unstable ball of iron and rock and this is fluidic and still heating up explaining the magnetic field being the size it is, and its frequent irregularities that where measured by casini and the other probe i can't remember its name now.

it won't explode its simply spinning too fast and when it does ignite long into the future witch i think it will, it will be a slow steady thing, its not a star or even a red dwarf, one thing you guys did get right, it wouldn't burn for long in the respect of a star or even a red dwarf, a blink of an eye is probably the best way to think of it as quick as it lit it would die out again, its not big enough to sustain long term fusion.

thats my 5c on this subject anyway

really??? u had to dig this thread from the grave? lol

Originally posted by Thill
Well March is in 2 weeks so I guess we wont have to wait long to see if the theory was right or not ;]

MARCH IN 2 WEEKS, WHAT? IT'S JULY 22ND 2010. How old is this?

Originally posted by xxstarlightxxthere is no real evidence that Jupiter can or cannot support being a sun.

There most certainly is evidence that it cannot. We know very well what pressures & temperatures are needed to produce fusion reactions with different materials. We have measured the mass of Jupiter with exquisite accuracy, and we know that it is nowhere near enough for its gravity to produce the pressures & temperatures required for fusion.

The data is incontrovertable: Jupiter cannot become a star.

Originally posted by nite owl

Originally posted by Thill
Well March is in 2 weeks so I guess we wont have to wait long to see if the theory was right or not ;]

MARCH IN 2 WEEKS, WHAT? IT'S JULY 22ND 2010. How old is this?

The original date of posting is Feb 2009.
So the theory that "Jupiter has already exploded behind the sun" was proved false in March 2009.

Not to confuse the issue any more...but some people seem to throw around the word "ignite" or "burn" when they talk about Jupiter becoming a star.

It's true that Jupiter and the sun are mostly hydrogen, and it's true that hydrogen can burn given enough oxygen. However -- and this may seem like a picky bit of semantics, but I think it's important -- stars like the sun are not "burning" in the traditional sense of the word, i.e. the Sun's hydrogen is not "catching on fire", but rather the hydrogen is fusing together to make helium. The by-product of this fusion process is heat energy.

I once read somewhere that if all of the hydrogen in the Sun actually "burned/ignited" in the traditional sense of the word, that hydrogen would totally burn up in only 15,000 years. However, obviously the Sun has been shining for billions of years, and will do so for billions more years. So the hydrogen gas in the Sun has not what we would normally say as "caught on fire".

So it seems some people talk about the hydrogen in Jupiter igniting/burning in an explosion and ball of flames. But Saying that the hydrogen in Jupiter can "ignite" and saying that Jupiter can become a star is two totally different concepts. It is pretty well understood that Jupiter does not have enough mass for the pressures to be great enough for stellar fusion (i.e., for it to become a star), and it seems there isn't enough oxygen mixed with the hydrogen for it to traditionally "burn" (i.e., catch on fire) or I would think it would have caught on fire by now.



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