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Why don't we have a strong libertarian party?

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posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 12:00 AM
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I would think that the libertarian party and libertarian ideology would be more popular right about now with all that's going on with the federal government regulating our freedoms and other people's freedoms. People seem to have forgotten there is an ideology that stands for freedom and liberty, and, that a party represents it, and that party is the libertarian party. Due to the fact that a majority of Americans are more liberal than people have been in the past, I think that it wouldn't be too hard to get the libertarian ideology to adjust to attract those people who are socially liberal or those people who are economically liberal. Once people learn about austrian economics and how the free market works I'm sure that they would stop crying for socialism and they would start crying for a free market once more. Neither party stands for the free market and economic freedom right now. Republicans are obstructionists, and, Democrats don't know much better... so we need a real party in power that cares about the people. Not a third party necessarily... but the libertarian party needs to make some gains here in the USA. What could we do to make the Ron Paul movement larger and get more people in libertarianism?




posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 12:07 AM
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Why don't we have a strong libertarian party?

Because you aren't allowed to gain any control from the MIC. They own the system. Politicians, media, you probably. Anything that would take away from their control is ignored. If it can't be ignored it's maligned. It's their party and they'll play who they want to.



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 12:31 AM
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Because the Democratic Party has enough money to keep them stamped out, so Democratic Party stays the premeire, main, numero uno LEFT wing party. Libertarian Party, while having some right wing aspects, is overall in my opinion more left wing than even a Democratic Party, which is more of a Centrist party if you ask me ...

You want left wing? Lets start a Bolshevik party! lol



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 02:20 AM
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Why dont we have a strong libertarian party? Isnt it obvious? The vast majority conservatives these days disagree with the true conservative ideology. The term "conservative" has been hijacked by a bunch of imperialist nationalist christian folk. Thats what.

You want to know what true conservative policies are and where they conflict with the fakers?

Foreign neutrality, yet in 2003 90% of conservatives supported an unconstitutional war.

Seperation of church and state, yet the vast majority of conservatives these days prefer to ram their religious views onto the laws of the land.

Smaller government.... appears to be just two words to conservatives these days.. fiscal responsibility? none. It seems when we look as the last 8years under Bush, the Reagan administrations and Bush snr, even Ford for petes sakes, their governments were either comparable in size with those of the Dems or larger. Reagan and Bush themselves increased military spending and involvement overseas, something against true conservative values.

I mean the only things conservatives seem to share in common with good old conservative values, true values, are tax cuts, and yet the tax cuts in past administrations have always increased other taxes and have piled on debt. So theres not real truth to that... only talk.

The only true conservatives are libertarians, and Ill say it time and time again. They are the only ones who vigoursly follow true conservative values, and yet never once have they been elected to nominee by the majority of conservatives. That should be evidence enough that true conservatives are a dying breed, and the libertarian party is all they have left. Ron Paul is the only one left in the Republican party who holds true conservative values.

I dont agree with the true conservative ideology either, I think its all talk, that the policies cant be implemented in reality, their just gimmicks. Nevertheless I am sick to death at these fakers these days proclaiming "conservatism", I mean seriously, atleast walk the talk you know? I do somewhat feel for libertarians.... I mean it must be hard to realize your values have been hijacked by a bunch of fakers.



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 02:27 AM
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typical... once again blame the "liberals".. liberal media, commie liberals... broken records. And now your blaming liberals for why the majority of conservatives choose not to follow true conservatism? Weak man. Seriously weak.

Heres a reality check for you buddy, conservatism as an ideology, and you can look it up, is and has been the ideology of foreign neutrality unless there is a declaration fo war, has always been the party of seperation of church and state and has always promoted fiscal responsibility. That is true conservatism.

Now seeing as you have that jewish avatar, I dont know but Id assume you are a staunch Israel supporter? Do you know that your for the very principals your republican party, or your ideology for that matter advocates against in its original founding? Thats not true conservatism buddy, thats either imperialism or nationalism, which is in my opinion different things.

The majority of conservatives had decades to voter in a true libertarian candidate, but each time we always found the majority chose either the imperialist or the nationalist, not the true conservative... which is a libertarian. Now... are you going to blame the democrats for that now too?



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 04:45 AM
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The Electoral College aside the US electoral system is FPP which is an undemocratic system . The only way the Libertarians can gain a genuine foot hold is if some degree of Proportional Representation . Of course Libertarians tend to oppose anything that isnt out laid word for word in the US Constitution which in this case makes them there own worst enemy . Sure you can have a division of powers but it is a lot harder if not impossible to avoid the concept of majority rules that is a part of the Westminster system . Amongst the fundamental of such a concept there is always the balance of power .

When you have a fairer representation of the way the electorate voted you can have a more representative government and a party like the Libertarians could conceivable hold the balance of power in Congress . Mounting third party Presidential bids is a waste of time when you consider that Congress is where they could have influence.



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 06:31 AM
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Oh, all of you, stop dismissing the MSM and two-party duopoly as reasons why the LP has not prevailed in recent years. They had ample resources to build off of and destroy this left-right paradigm before, and they squandered it because of who they are and what they really stand for.

The LP, as we know it, is by and large a failed brand. Party-members don't want to hear it, but it's true. They claim success in minor things and pin their failures on corporatocracy when it benefits them. What's that called again? Oh yeah - self-serving bias.

I adamantly hate the LP. And I consider myself a libertarian. Many members have gone so far as to state they don't care about success as much as "educating" people about no-holds barred philosophical rants of Immanuel Kant, Ayn Rand, and economic sermons by the latest Austrian professors. They also prefer to bicker amongst themselves about the other two parties not being pure.

Sure, the barriers are high and the chips are down, plus the whole situation that would lend itself well to libertarian ideals is failing to take off is very ironic. So what is the true formula for success?

-Stop subsidizing the LP. Many libertarians don't follow their own economic school when it comes to politics, preaching as though two different sets of logic apply to everything. "The party too big to fail"? What are you, suddenly the chairman of Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac?

-Stop internal fighting. Purity in purpose is fine, the platform is for realistic achievement!

-Start growing regional support in larger population centers like California or New York. Shoot high.

If libertarians did this and went their own way and actually got active, instead of playing the lecturer, they would achieve something. But these people don't want to believe that success comes from persistence. It comes from an economic calamity where they can push a button and "POOF", everyone's a libertarian because they have somehow been there for years. If that's not an absurdity, I don't know what is.



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 06:40 AM
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I'd LOVE to see strong Libertarian and Constitutional parties. LOVE IT!
If we knew exactly why we don't have strong 3rd and 4th parties, then
we could help remedy that situation. It would be a tough battle, but
we could chip away at the problem.




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