Just 4% of the bailout could end world hunger

reply to post by Hellish-D


it will sound strange what I say - but this "waste" system is caused by the design of the financial system . The financial system is designed to be alive only fueled by perpetual debt .

Look at this :

Originally posted by sty
But why I love the american ppl : because they created things like Above Top Secret!

Going back to the issue of the low quality food in the US.....

Not the issue. The issue is that the US wastes resources that the world needs.

Read the Link - Money Scam

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The US is responsible for HALF of Food Aid.... now the EU and CARE organizations don't want ships full of grain. They want hard cash to "buy" from the nearest supplier (get it .. US money that we borrow from China to "buy" grain from the EU or others).

You will find a bunch of articles criticizing the US for sending excess grain to charity because they want freeking MONEY!



Money the US doesn't have... were now TRILLIONS in debt.

But we have boat loads of excess grain that we send around the world... If we use it for biofuel people scream... what do you want us to do with it? Dump it in the ocean?

David Johanson, an International Trade Lawyer for U.S. Senator Chuck Grassley, says there are other good reasons to be cautious about switching to cash-only food aid. "One of the biggest issues is the problem of possible corruption, when you're sending large amounts of money to other countries," he said. "Another problem is that we're quite certain that if food aid is made cash-only, the amount of food aid given will actually decrease."

You will find a ton of criticism of the US sending boats of food instead of money to buy other countries food.... well, here are boatloads of food we buy from ourselves to send as aid... We know you would rather have cash to embezzle or support other farming countries, or have your country's boats ship the stuff for profit for yourselves but that isn't the American Taxpayers job... to buy overpriced foreign agriculture to donate.... We can buy and ship our own surplus grain wherever you want it! We have more than enough to donate without making someone else rich with borrowed money! (And that is the goal when the UN, IMF and WTO are involved..more money to embezzle!.. mmmm a dream come true)

The United States contributes more food aid than any other country in the world, enough to feed about 55 million people in 2006.

TAKE THE GRAIN PEOPLE! I am sure that the rest of the damned world can find a way to distribute it! The rest of the world can scheme on how to "profit" from charity but here is food!

I so wish we would pull out of this screwed up world back to our own hemisphere and let the rest of the world "do or die" as it may.

reply to post by infolurker


Soooooo if the US has so much to give to other countries, then why are majority of our people so in need?? I guess we don't really matter

i bet monsanto would step up and happily sell all the needed seeds for this to take place!!!!!



future headline===Monsanto solves world hunger


6months later====Monsanto enslaves world thru food supply

9 months later==ebay--45lbs Monsanto corn seed
current bid--$28,000.00

reply to post by metro

I'm sorry, but this is an absolutely horrible perspective.

Do you understand the issues behind world hunger? It's not because people are lazy, or they don't work. No, it's oppressive regimes, unproductive land, and horrible droughts. Most of these individuals would happily farm if they had the needed water, and fertile land.

I'm all for feeding the poor - no matter what cost. We need to provide necessary means to improve farming. We should work to end drought via desalination plants. These are steps in the right direction, and directly solve the problem. It should be noted that the problem will ALWAYS exist if we do not fix the root of the issue. Providing food is one thing, it's merely temporary relief, but these are permanent solutions!

This should not even be debated, nor reasoned away. This is beyond reason. It's about having a human heart.

I would not even hesitate to end world hunger if I had the money and means to do so. Unfortunately, I can barely even feed myself at the moment. Have you ever experienced true hunger? Do you know what it's like to starve? Go without eating for an extended period of time, and then you'll soon realize the true pain of the hungry.

This problem should have never arisen in the first place.

[edit on 15-2-2009 by Aleilius]

there is no amount that could end power hunger !

(2nd line)

reply to post by Hellish-D


When ever the US "gives" money there are always strings attached,
and some pretty long strings.

So for 30Billion each and every year what is going to change and
what can those giving the money expect is return, they have nothing
to give.

Countries need to learn how to feed themselves and their citizens.

India's green revolution farming programs uplifted far more people out of hunger than aid has ever done. Still a long way to go, but farming advancements are the right way of doing things.

Aid to Africa is a waste of money. The politicians grab it, and it ends up in Swiss bank accounts. The people of Africa must start electing better leaders who will serve their needs, and deposing dictators.

Originally posted by 44soulslayer
... The people of Africa must start electing better leaders who will serve their needs, and deposing dictators.

Do you realize the folly of this statement? The individuals in certain areas of Africa cannot "elect better leaders to serve their needs" because they lack a democratic system of government. Not only that, but how do you suppose these people fight for freedom & change? How do you expect them to depose a dictator? The starving cannot wage a war. They can barely survive. Food is a way to control the masses.

The situation in Africa is mass genocide, but most people tend to turn their eyes away from these horrible atrocities. Remember seeing documentaries or photos of Nazi concentration camps? Remember seeing the countless starving people on the verge of death? This is exactly what's happening in some parts of Africa. The only difference is the lack of barbed wire fence.

The reality of the situation: /czxvtz

My fellow humans, what a sad world we inhabit! Sorrow & misery is the norm. Joy & happiness is fleeting, and only to be encountered in fantasies and dreams. This is the way of the real world.

Do some of you need me to state the statistics? Why not do a little research ATS?

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I'd love to see someone send this information to Nancy Pelosi's office and ask her if she's willing to give up the $50 million dollars that she got in this non-stimulating 'stimulus' package for her MICE.

Mice vs humans. Bet she picks her mice.

Originally posted by Hellish-D
I think it's time to put things in perspective....

4% of the bailout would end world hunger

World hunger seems like one of those grand unsolvable problems – the perennial favorite wish of beauty pageant queens. The truth is, it’s not unsolvable at all.

The United Nations’ Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) stated that it would only take $30 billion a year to launch the necessary agricultural programs to completely solve global food insecurity. (Severe hunger afflicts 862 million people annually.)

solving world hunger is a nice idea as is solving world poverty, but i dont think iether are very realistic goals, i like the ideas my self but goverments, corruption, banksters & the like will make sure there gravy train doesnt stop.
the reason i wanted to reply, 4% seems too small, i think for eg, if it was attempted that 4% due to stealth taxes & unforseen problems along the way has a very good chance of becoming 15% maybe 20%, sounds like a big jump i know but according to statistics the london 2012 olympics would cost no more than around 3 billion, the current figure is now over 10 billion !!.
so when a figure is used on a project of this size it normally grows making the first number 4% inaccurate.
i think the biggest problem is that humans tend to live beyond there means, weather you have a mortgage or a credit card debt too big or a large family with limited food resorces, humans tend to push the envilope when it comes to reality. so even if you used 100 billion per year on word hunger, how long would it be befor, 300 billion could solve world hunger ? becuase the 100 billion expanded the problem, of people trying to live beyond there means. this is a hard arguement with no clear winner, currently there are over 6 billion people on earth, how many people can earth sustain without large parts of the foodchain collapsing ???, 12 billion ? 15 billion ? 25 billion ? 50 billion ?.
i think world hunger has been on earth as long as humans & will continue.
the noble intent to solve world hunger maybe noble, but in some ways may be short sighted.
you may not agree with what ive said here, but if all sides of a debate are not heard then the thread becomes a one sided bashing thread.
thanks.

It also has other statistics. It makes you wonder what our priorities are, doesn't it?

[edit on 14-2-2009 by Hellish-D]

oops double post !!

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reply to post by sty


I have a feeling alot of these theorys on why we cant slove poverty, famine, slavery, financial problems (1st and 3rd world) arnt being more foward about there orgins. The human race, yes you sitting at the computer, smoking , drinking , driving , forget that we will always consume more than we will ever need and not care about other people if they are starving or poor. We are all here to consume, we as humans have a predisposition to self destruction. You may think we can solve hunger, but people in power have a decision to make - " do i want hundreds of millions of people to live to say" " now i have food and water and a house, i want better food better water bigger house, a car a boat a motorbike a tv a sound system" the world would not last long if all the worlds population had what it wanted. Everyone is now realising that the chinese are slowing edging out of comunism, they want a car a tv better houses, for the last 2 decades they have been gowing, 2008 was a prime example, china started buying scrap metal at an unprecidented rate, everyone in the world was happy, prices went to a record high. Then said, " no we dont want anymore " the world economy started to the drop like a lead weight, 3 months later america fell and dropped the ball, every economy was nose diving, why? was it america or was it china? could this not be an accident? Have we finally found out we are growing and cosuming too fast and are now trying to slowing down the awful truth from showing its teeth. " Humans are like a virus, we invade we take, we multiplie untill the hoast is dead" buckle up your seat belts, it hasnt even started yet . But the next couple of years things will change.

Originally posted by Hellish-D

The United Nations’ Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) stated that it would only take $30 billion a year to launch the necessary agricultural programs to completely solve global food insecurity. (Severe hunger afflicts 862 million people annually.)

Why just talk of the bail-out money? How about the three trillion dollars spent so far in the Iraq fiasco? $30 billion a year to solve world poverty? Then the amount spent on Iraq would have been enough to banish world poverty for the next 100 years!!

And you know who's laughing all the way to the banks...Errrr, which banks? They're all kaput!! Darn! What a mess!

Mountain people struggling for survival.

Sorry about the ad in the beginning.

There is an Indian doctor treating the people of Appalachia. He said they are poorer then the poor neighborhoods he came from in India.

There is only so much global wealth to go around, period. And when the majority of one group of people have it, then there is less to go around.

A PP was right that a lot of these leaders hold the money for themselves to fund their wars.

And you can't expect a country of people who are starving and sick to unite and go against a very well funded government.

If you are living in a landfill, starving, and your child is about to die, what exactly do you fight with? a stick?

Bill Gates is actually working his way around this. His money he is leaving to Africa is not to just fight AIDS, it is a way to get around the governments and make sure that the money goes to the people. When a charity is involved, it bypasses the corrupt leaders.

Which is why it is so important to work through charities there.


Do I think Americans need to learn to do with less, and stop being so materialistic.

On the other hand, the rumor that we are fat and lazy is just a rumor. The first shock foreigners get when they get here is how much and how intensely we work.

The average AMerican works 400 hours more a year then the next country, which is Norway.

And we only include straight working hours. some countries include business dinners and vacations into this bit.
Many Americans consider a working vacation to be a vacation, it if means getting them out of the office.

The average American only gets 12 holidays a year, including vacation. The next lowest if France, with 25.

We pay for it, Our lives are shorter, we suffer from depression. constantly working.

we work for our stuff to let our stuff control us.

And I wasn't the only slave to my nesting instinct. The people I know who used to sit in the bathroom with pornography, now they sit in the bathroom with their IKEA furniture catalogue. ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 5

You buy furniture. You tell yourself, this is the last sofa I will ever need in my life. Buy the sofa, then for a couple years you're satisfied that no matter what goes wrong, at least you've got your sofa issue handled. Then the right set of dishes. Then the perfect bed. The drapes. The rug. Then you're trapped in your lovely nest, and the things you used to own, now they own you. ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 5

[edit on 15-2-2009 by nixie_nox]

interesting fact, maybe true, but my question is this

how long would it end world hunger for? a year? a decade? why do we always think such short term? not necessarily to world hunger but even this bailout crap, u can give a man a fish, feed him for a day, teach him to fish feed him for life

seems like theyre just handing out fish with the bailout, and with only 4 percent needed to end world hunger, sounds like theyd only be handing out fish with that 4 percent too

and yea the fish for a day for many of these people would be great

but what about tomorrow

I think people are waking to the fact that everything is being done in a wrong manner.

If we look at the Leaders to MOST (not all) but Most or Many Countries look at how the power went to there heads. It is the people that has to stop this and if you don't they will continue. They wait for the REVOLUTION they have prepared while the sheep feed and slept. They have the powerful and deadly weapons, the troops and the camps while we sat and worked to make them rich.

I'm sure you heard the root to all evil is money.

The problem is people have to CHANGE and not be so self centered and trying to keep up with the Jones.

What is important is life but the question is, how do you get over 6 and a half billion people to work together for one another. Everyone could do a job they loved instead of one they had to do because they had to put food on the table and a roof over there heads.

Like mentioned in another post here and I have also written here before.... schools are taught all wrong and they as everything needs to be revamped.

As a race of people and from what I see I don't think people have it within them to change the ways things need to be changed to. Let the Economy fall no one pays bills and all work on what is important really like planting trees so you can breathe, tilling the damaged soil and growing organic foods, cleaning the water supply and doing away with Floride just for examples.

There is no reason why money is really needed we SHOULD all be equal and do whatever we can to help one another. Get off Fossil Fuels and use the wind and sun.

To be honest as a society I don't think people can do this so........

Everything has to be reconfigured and as I said I just don't see it in this lifetime on this Planet.



[edit on 15-2-2009 by observe50]

reply to post by Hellish-D


I'm sure bleeding heart guilt says this, but here's some questions to ponder.

What about our underfed and starving people? Its expensive enough to feed them.

What about the multitudes of other countries out there. Where's their contribution?

Why is this our responsibility?

and finally - In our economy, I'm making sure I have enough to keep myself and my family fed and housed. Why should I give a crap about people in another country I've never seen, met or anything else. Heres a (r)evolutionary idea. if you're starving.. move.

reply to post by CoffinFeeder


The thread is 2 pages long, it won't hurt your brain to read the entire thing. All of your 'points' have been addressed.