Beyond the Apocalypse; Surviving in the next Dark Age, page 7
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reply posted on 20-2-2009 @ 12:13 AM by ANNED
Originally posted by whatukno
Ah yes, you can prepare for SIT X all you like but unless you have a long term strategy beyond survival in the upcoming new dark ages your preparedness is all for naught. What happens when you use up the supplies you stored in your BOB? What happens when you run out of ammo? Can you take wheat and make bread? Can you distill your own Biofuels? Can you make your own penicillin? Do you know how to forge steel? Do you know how to rebuild your own civilization?

These questions must be asked because without the necessary knowledge one can only prepare so much. The aftermath of the end of our civilization isn’t necessarily the end of humanity. Humanity will survive, the question is, who knows enough about survival in order to survive the end of this age and the beginning of the new dark age?

So what’s your answer? Do you know?

Let us break down the questions posed here and see what we can collectively learn for ourselves, and collectively know what to do after TSHTF.

1. What happens when you use up the supplies you stored in your
BOB?



Depends on how bad SITX gets. learn how to search homes or other buildings for what you need.
You may be able to get weapons and ammo from the criminal element if you can waste them. This is where a bow and arrows come in handy.
Also you have military bases. police evidence lockers. gun stores.
gun owners that did not make it.
searching homes and building of those people that did not survive should be your first priority. get what you can and hide it near by where you can retrieve it later.
The first place you want to check is your local fire department for tools that you can use to enter building or weapons and ammo storage lockers.
They have all the fancy tools for rescue that are just what you will need.



2. What happens when you run out of ammo?


if you start early in looking for the weapons of those that did not survive it should give you a large supply of ammo and weapons.





4. Can you distill your own Biofuels?

Do you know how to make grain alcohol to use as a fuel? Do you know how to make a generator out of a lawnmower engine? Can you make a small hydroelectric dam? Do you know how to make a light bulb?


Find a diesel car or truck, You can if you have to run it on many more types of fuel the a gasoline car or truck.
diesels can be run on crankcase draining that have been filtered transmission fluids, kerosene, jet fuel. plus diesel and these other "fuels" store longer then gasoline.
Also learn how to get fuel from underground tanks.
Many you can get the fuel by putting water in the tank. remember gasoline and diesel fuel float on water.



5. Can you make your own penicillin?


Remember when you are searching the home and building of the dead to look for medications of those that did not survive and stockpile these for your own use or as trade items.
Even OTC drugs will become good trade items in a short time.



6. Do you know how to forge steel?

Or more easily, do you know how to recycle steel into weapons, tools, armor, and the myriad of other conveniences that this base alloy provides?



I worked in the small mining busness making equipment and forging steel was a needed skill.


7. Do you know how to rebuild your own civilization?

Do you know how to make a basic shelter, an advanced shelter, a house? Do you know how to dig a well? Raise livestock? Grow food?


Learn how to build a fortified shelter in a SITX there will be "bad people" out there.


reply posted on 20-2-2009 @ 11:03 PM by whitewave
Originally posted by Northern Raider
Originally posted by whitewave


Most BOBs are designed for 168 hours not 72, its the US / UK govt and Red cross who say 72 hour survival kits. The tools and clothing aspect of Bobs last far longer its only the food part that expires after a week.


I wasn't aware that most BOBs are designed for longer than 72 hours. Having personally gone without food or water for 72 hours before, I figure you don't really even need a BOB for that amount of time. Of course, it did take over a week to recover from that harsh 3 days so a 72 hour BOB is not a bad idea.

Caches and Stockpiles

Much better plan, IMHO.

From the mormons to normal families who take prep seriously most of us have at least 3 months or more supplies at hand. Most serious survivalists who dont spend time criticising others efforts do indeed have long term redevelopment plans in place, but they are of little use if you dont survive the initial disaster.

Agreed. More people are waking up and beginning to prepare for hard times. The best way to survive an initial disaster is to avoid it if at all possible. If the Katrina victims had just picked up and moved further North for a few days they could have taken most of the contents of their houses in a U-haul and not had to worry about BOBs at all. Not always possible, of course, depending on the disaster.


Please be so kind as to show us mere mortals exactly where any of us have written or implied that TEOTWAWKI will only last 72 hours?

LOL. It was not my intention to sound condescending. Sorry about that. The point I was attempting to make (and at which I obviously failed) is that in any true disaster more than a BOB will be required. Skill, knowledge, planning, experience-things you can't put in a pack-will be the main staples for survival. Survival is greatly aided by tools. Food (and especially water) are both a comfort, source of strength and a help but can be forfeited for 72 hours (depending on environment, etc.).

I've had a house fire in which I had to run out of the house with nothing but the clothes I was wearing. Survival would have been so much easier if I had any of the things in my house. There are any number of scenarios in which you may not have your BOB handy (at work, on vacation, out for the evening, etc.). There are more dedicated survivalists that carry one wherever they go but I haven't noticed that it is the norm.

Again, glad to see the topic being discussed.

edit to add blacksmithing linky.
www.endtimesreport.com...


[edit on 21-2-2009 by whitewave]


reply posted on 26-2-2009 @ 12:09 PM by whatukno
I just came across something that I thought was very interesting.



The dome provides shelter for the homeless and is made from plastic, wire and packing peanuts. Pretty much, trash.


Excelent Idea by this young man.


reply posted on 26-2-2009 @ 08:50 PM by citizen smith
Regarding shelters for the long term, here's a few creative uses of materials that would ordinarily be overlooked so would have less of a scarcity value..

'Cal-Earth', Khuzestan, Iran. Nader Khalili.
Earth-filled sandbag dwellings for refugees of Iraq war II who fled to Iran:





An idea that could be applied to the re-use of plastic carrier-bags perhaps?


'Pallet House', Bronx, New York. I-Beam Design



A quick and effective way to constuct a double-skinned structure, particularly if the void where the forklift tines go are filled with earth/rubble/turf for added insulation and solidity.

Although chances are that unless you're quick off the mark to get a hold of materials to rebuild, items like shipping pallets will be likely to be chopped up and burnt as firewood

And lastly...

Mason's Bend Chapel, Hale County, Alabama. Rural Studio



A gathering space for a rural community using recycled/donated materials.

The particular feature here is that the glazing panels are all vehicle windscreens from a scrapyard, which could be applied to building greenhouses or replacing smashed windowpanes around the house...with the added advantage that its tempered and laminated so will be have greater resilience than regular domestic glazing

The above images were taken from my copy of "Design Like You Give A Damn - Architectural responses to humanitarian crises" ...well worth buying for an inspiring read into post-X shelter and community rebuilding

(and a whacking chunk of the cover price goes directly back to aid groups too)


reply posted on 27-2-2009 @ 03:48 PM by citizen smith
reply to post by WatchRider



see top of page...



[edit on 27-2-2009 by citizen smith]


reply posted on 28-2-2009 @ 10:12 PM by whatukno
reply to post by citizen smith



What your talking about here is a variation on the form of sand bag. I like this idea. It could easily be done with just about any plastic or even nylon container. Brilliant!



reply posted on 11-3-2009 @ 01:35 AM by OpusMarkII
reply to post by citizen smith



I'm not talking about driving around in some kind a post apocalyptic book mobile , I'm thinking like one or tow dozen books . If timing and capacity in your transport permitted

[edit on 11-3-2009 by OpusMarkII]
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