Beyond the Apocalypse; Surviving in the next Dark Age, page 6
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reply posted on 17-2-2009 @ 03:41 PM by Nirgal
reply to post by DarkSecret


No accusations, just a continuation of the analogy. This is where I start stepping onto ground I really wish was not available on this forum. Personally, I think if it isn't carved out in big metal plates then it's effectively lost. Remember the neo-storage saying, "if you don't have it saved in two places it doesn't exist."

Human makes advances. Human forgets knowledge because human-invented storage facilities to be much better than human. Storage facilities destroyed. Human dies.


reply posted on 17-2-2009 @ 03:57 PM by citizen smith
reply to post by DarkSecret



Whilst the 'traditional' ground-strike use of nuclear weapons may be a worst case scenario, there is one other tactical use that would render any digital-society impotent...the high-altitude airburst to maximise EMP effect

Although my 'prime directive' is to bug-in and fortify, the one other location apart from my home that has been considered is my university

...analogue-based machine-tool facilities, dedicated engineering and architecture libraries, and my faculty building, slap-bang on a canal-transport artery that could be fortified with a few days work and a dozen helping hands


reply posted on 17-2-2009 @ 04:02 PM by Nirgal
Originally posted by citizen smith
reply to
post by DarkSecret


...analogue-based machine-tool facilities, dedicated engineering and architecture libraries, and my faculty building, slap-bang on a canal-transport artery that could be fortified with a few days work and a dozen helping hands


Jaysuz! You really are in Yorkshire aren't ye? Unless it's Sth Yorks of course. I'm told that doesn't count.


reply posted on 17-2-2009 @ 09:58 PM by Existent
Honestly, it depends completely on the circumstances.

If we are invaded by an overt alien force, we're mostly screwed. I'd say less than 10% of the population would survive the initial contact, simply because we'd be too stubborn to surrender. Then, with a little luck the survivors will be enslaved, or forced into hiding. Unless we surrender and acquire their technology/tactics (think half-life 2), we'd remain that way.

If it is a NWO by way of the Illuminati, consider all libraries/sources of information gone. Just look at North Korea. Without free access to information, the North Koreans believe that their leader is responsible for all good things that happen.

If it's a nuclear war (mutually assured destruction), I think we have the best odds at returning to a civilized state at some point. Population and Government/military centers would be targeted, leaving a large, if scattered, population. Libraries and some power grids would be intact. Animals would either multiply at an insane rate, or die off from lack of resources (nuclear winter). At that point, our biggest obstacle would be our fellow survivors.

The key will be information preservation. It is entirely possible that information/skills would become an invaluable commodity. The average person wouldn't survive. However, that could very well be the saving grace. With the population decimated, "The age of plenty" would be scavenged by maybe three-quarters of a billion people. If we can feed 5 Billion, we can manage to feed 500 million without advanced farming technology.

I also believe that people will group together in key areas. The far north/south will be deserted for warmer areas with better resources. Coastal towns will spring up, but don't wait up. Odds are that not a single person alive today will live through the Dark Age. It will be several generations before humanity will recover.

Religion will probably either go down for the count, or return to a new level of importance. And don't expect to see much transportation either. And quite possibly, violence and Empirical rule would return, with wars raging over territory and people. Skilled individuals and possibly even women would become trading items. Slavery will probably return, although based on skill. Either the few will rule the many, unskilled people, or the skilled will be so rare they are more valuable than weapons.


reply posted on 18-2-2009 @ 11:07 AM by Juggalo2313
Originally posted by whatukno
Ah yes, you can prepare for SIT X all you like but unless you have a long term strategy beyond survival in the upcoming new dark ages your preparedness is all for naught. What happens when you use up the supplies you stored in your BOB? What happens when you run out of ammo? Can you take wheat and make bread? Can you distill your own Biofuels? Can you make your own penicillin? Do you know how to forge steel? Do you know how to rebuild your own civilization?

These questions must be asked because without the necessary knowledge one can only prepare so much. The aftermath of the end of our civilization isn’t necessarily the end of humanity. Humanity will survive, the question is, who knows enough about survival in order to survive the end of this age and the beginning of the new dark age?

So what’s your answer? Do you know?

Let us break down the questions posed here and see what we can collectively learn for ourselves, and collectively know what to do after TSHTF.

1. What happens when you use up the supplies you stored in your
BOB?

Well you’re simply going to have to resupply aren’t you? Well what happens if a company doesn’t exist to produce the necessary supply that you’re looking for, or worse you don’t have the barter medium in order to pay for that supply? Can you make your own?

2. What happens when you run out of ammo?

Well again, you’re going to have to resupply aren’t you? Do you know how to reload cartridges? Do you know how to make Black Powder? Do you know how to repair, replace parts on your firearm? And when worse comes to worse do you know how to wield a sword? Sword? Really? A sword, do you know how to effectively wield a sword to its full effect against a target? Do you know how to create a bow and arrow? A lance, A spear?

3. Can you take wheat and make bread?

Can you identify plants that are edible from those that will kill you? Do you know how to purify water for drinking? Do you know how to field dress an animal? Do you know what parts you can use to make sinew? Can you tan a hide? Can you make soap from an animal?

4. Can you distill your own Biofuels?

Do you know how to make grain alcohol to use as a fuel? Do you know how to make a generator out of a lawnmower engine? Can you make a small hydroelectric dam? Do you know how to make a light bulb?

5. Can you make your own penicillin?

Do you know how to culture basic penicillin? Can you derive medicine from plants? Do you know how to set a broken bone? Do you know and understand advanced first aid?

6. Do you know how to forge steel?

Or more easily, do you know how to recycle steel into weapons, tools, armor, and the myriad of other conveniences that this base alloy provides?

7. Do you know how to rebuild your own civilization?

Do you know how to make a basic shelter, an advanced shelter, a house? Do you know how to dig a well? Raise livestock? Grow food?

What happens when you the knowledgeable are confronted with roving gangs of people so desperate to survive they are willing to steal and kill in order to attain that goal? Do you know how to turn them from foe to friend? Do you know how to organize a simple workforce for the benefit of the whole?

Civilizations decay, and rot away, what always is left are the people that make up that civilization. After a collapse of a civilization, there is always a dark age, this is shown throughout history and it will happen again. The question is, are you prepared? Many of you know enough to survive in the wilderness if situation X occurs. The question is surviving enough?

Of course I don't have all the answers, I don't know everything perhaps though as members we can answer these questions for each other and in doing so help each other when the whole enchilada breaks down.



reply posted on 18-2-2009 @ 11:11 AM by whatukno
reply to post by glitch88



Excellent! I actually hadn't thought of making rope. Good point. Long term survival would necessitate the ability to make some sort of rope.





reply posted on 18-2-2009 @ 11:17 AM by Juggalo2313
reply to post by Juggalo2313



I think that in this coming dark age the ability to live off the land and recycle your weapons and equipment to make new weapons and equipment is going to be nessesary also the knowledge to make a shelter and reload ammo is going to be essential for survival, I thought on this thread and talked to some friends of mine and we have planned a tribe if you will and where to set up shop once this goes down, as I suggest everyoneelse does, we have many of our supplies already and are still preparing, we have decided that the forest is a good place to be for the protection it offers from invasion, Birds and other small creatures that scare easily and make alot of noise when something is wrong it has a natural survielance system and alarm. alot of cover and its easy to lay low.
this is agood thread and it should stay up for a while, it makes some good points


reply posted on 18-2-2009 @ 11:34 AM by whatukno
reply to post by citizen smith



A dark age is an age between formal governments, an age of lawlessness and anarchy. (at least for this scenario)

Dark Age or Dark Ages is a term in historiography referring to a period of cultural decline or societal collapse


Source: Wiki


reply posted on 18-2-2009 @ 12:00 PM by citizen smith
reply to post by whatukno



Thx for that definition

If theres a total 'dark age' breakdown of societal law and order then the only way forward would be to revert to feudal life under regional and local warlords.

This is where I see a difference in opinion regarding post-x conflict between members from the US and other gun-ownership-rights nations, and members (like me) from the UK and EU where private firearm ownership is very heavily restricted


reply posted on 18-2-2009 @ 12:47 PM by Nirgal
reply to post by citizen smith




You knows it Smith; you can discern the Rest Of World from the U.S. fairly easily.

When asked a general survival question nearly all of the U.S. responses mention guns 'n' ammo before moving on to other aspects.

Remember America, I ain't flamin' y'all (there are exceptions that prove the rule). I'm just calling it how I see it.

Two other points:
1) glitch88 - Dog yarn. Brilliant. All I have to do now is remember that stuff from primary school and buy an Afghan Hound.
2) Relieved to learn that by definition a Dark Age doesn't have to last particularly long.
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