[edit on 14-2-2009 by Cloudsinthesky]

Originally posted by Cloudsinthesky
This is a topic I can not discuss here on ATS.........

Could you please at least point us in the right direction so we can investigate ourselves?

[edit on 14-2-2009 by Cloudsinthesky]

I'm a ways from DC, but still rather close, and the bird population seems fine here, even robust. And I haven't seen anything of dead birds. Not that my location is likely to help the OP, but then perhaps this thread could become a catch-all for dead bird reports from all over, or even better, live bird reports.

Honestly, this stuff always spooks me in some way.

Phage

DDT (at "normal" levels) does not kill birds. It supposedly weakens the shells of the their eggs, causing them to break before hatching.

Just to add a little both is true. DDT is highly persistent in the environment. So if you spray the ground where the birds eat worms, the bird will suffer the equivalent of absorbing the same amount of DDT as though the bird had eaten it directly.

Basically, if you reduced the DDT to the absolute MINIMUM, and I mean ABSOLUTE MINIMUM amount required to be effective at all, small birds will die, larger birds would consume enough to where any eggs they had would have eggshells so thin that they would collapse under the weight of the embryo thus preventing all breeding of birds. Practically all common birds die with absorption of 20-30 parts per million of DDT...i.e. incredibly little.

This is why environmental persistence is evaluated when they try and bring pesticides on the market. Some types can take decades to be dilluted by the ecosystem. Due to the persistence of DDT some of the food chains of countries that did not ban DDT have been nearly wiped out. DDT is not actually illegal worldwide and still used in some parts of the world, I had a friend who went to India on a missions trip and said it freaked him out going through a forest with no noise, no animals, only plant life.

The reputation of DDT has softened some in the last couple decades as the PR firms that were hired by the tobacco companies to say cigarette smoke does not cause cancer were also hired by the same DDT manufacturers. Sometimes you may hear statements regarding Malaria and the third world needing DDT but their are more effective and CHEAPER alternatives available, it is pure disinformation.

Of course the rodents of the sky...the pigeon, I don't feel so bad about DDTing them...especially after washing the car.

This may be totally unrelated but I have had many many birds hit my car while I am driving. It happens almost every day. I do not ever remember this happening with such frequency. Are they disoriented? Could this be related in any way to whales and dolphins getting disoriented?

In early n fact this time of year in 2006 in the UK this happened in my local area to, I found 2 dead starlings in the garden one morning.

Didn't think much of it, anyhow then 3 days later another 3 dead birds and one the following day, all within 100 metres.

I contacted as the Bird Flu worries had started then the local Health Dept and was asked to take them to a local Vets to be kept until they would be picked up and tested.


I did this, but about 3 attempts to find out what happened to the tests any results just administrative and organisational nightmare, never found out, but I know they were picked up by the local Environmental Health Dept from the Vets.

No other neighbours seemed to find any, I think I posted something on ATS about it, anyhow it was mighty strange, just dead on the floor, no injury or sickness just normal healthy birds dead, At the end of the day i just thought about it and put it down to maybe a Massive Starling Migration swarm went over this spot, and odds, so many birds, some died of heart attack, but they were all within 10 metres of each other, very strange indeed.

Mischevious elf.

like said before in this thread,this happend in nj here a few weeks back..a goverment sanctioned operation with no prior warning..They supposedly used a poision that is metabolized by the bird,and when dead it will not have any harmfull effects on another animal if eaten..

My question is why now??whats the problem so bad that they need to kill thousands of birds??

My theory is this..If a outbreak of some type of virus does happen the lesser the birds the fewer chances of spreading it...so is the gov. gearing up for something??

[edit on 14-2-2009 by Redpillblues]

If someone wants to dig I have the link,

There is a story I am not sure if it is on ATS yet, I am not sure if it is Panasonic, but a company of similar size and scope and Japanese/Asain for sure.

They have ordered ALL overseas staff home for OCT 09 from ALL foreign offices and work, on the basis of s Bird Flu Pandemic.

Happy Hunting, OP I think you should find it, the Memo was sourced so its not "word of mouth" will make a good new OP mixed with info from here and probably get loads of interest.

Kind Regards,

Elf

This may be totally unrelated but I have had many many birds hit my car while I am driving. It happens almost every day. I do not ever remember this happening with such frequency. Are they disoriented? Could this be related in any way to whales and dolphins getting disoriented?

That is VERY odd. Perhaps someone could who knows how could make a map of the world, and we could assemble dates and locations of these incidents and may'be find a pattern.

We are having similar issues here in western N.C. , seems to be limited to Finches so far but in my yard alone I have counted 13 dead in 2 weeks.

Seems like everyday I have 2 dead and a few getting ready to die.

I have been looking for the proper authorities to report it to.

Wow, I didn't realize how widespread this phenomenon seems to be. Birds falling from the sky, running into cars, etc at an alarming rate.

Of course these could be localized events each with its own explanation, who really knows, but it seems that something isn't right. Especially in places like Oklahoma, Oregon, even DC which suffer from minimal pollution.