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posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 05:35 AM
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Originally posted by tide88
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The funny thing is you all think this is an american problem. Europe may be worse off then the US. It just hasnt hit as hard there YET. BTW the USA will be fine. Also only 25% of the total debt is owned by foreign contries. And yes by gross external debt we rank number 1. However look at this chart. UK percentage of external debt is a whopping 376% or 189,855$ per capita. Germany 159%, France 211%. There are also many other contries on the list way worse off then the USA. The Debt we have is large, but we are far away from having to declare bankruptcy. And even if we did, you have to be crazy if you think we would just give up our land. I dont care what is says on a piece of paper. I would like to see someone try to come and claim that land or people. It would be an all out war and probably the end of the world. BTW if we are using our land or anything else as collateral, they would just hold a lean on those items. They wouldnt actually have ownership until default.

lending agreements, collateral is a borrower's pledge of specific property to a lender, to secure repayment of a loan. [1][2] The collateral serves as protection for a lender against a borrower's risk of default - that is, any borrower failing to pay the principal and interest under the terms of a loan obligation. If a borrower does default on a loan (due to insolvency or other event), that borrower forfeits (gives up) the property pledged as collateral - and the lender then becomes the owner of the collateral


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Oh man! You need a reality check!

I'm sorry to say that in a near future the rest of the world could decouple itself from the US economy and this reform would initially strike very hard on the EU & Asian economies. But you could see the death dance of the American Dollar & hyperinflation my friend.

And let’s be clear about the fact that neither Europe nor Asia have a negative saving rate, a full-scale housing crisis throwing millions of citizens out of their homes, abysmal public and trade deficits, and soon a free-falling currency - therefore they will bounce back faster while the US economy will be locked down further because of it.

Furthermore! Now the US politicians want to quick start the securization market by throwing trillions in to a system that is the cause of the problem.

Basic studies of economy will tell you that this is a insane move in your situation. You don't want to go further down in decline by spending trillions more on getting more debt on personal & individual consumerism.

The only way for the US to avoid an imminent crash would be to show the markets and the world, investments & lending to companies of manufactureing and produce something of real value.

If you'll continue throwing money down the drain on personal consuming, the world will not lend you anymore money - that is a fact!

At the G7 meeting in Rome the US understood that the days of US dollar hegemony could soon be over when the long needed reform of the financial system take place. A new Bretton Wood agreement could be waiting behind the curtains my friend?!

There is no time for ignorance & national arrogance against the rest of the world.

The only way you can have a chance in hell to reverse what's coming, would be to immedietly start building a manufacturing base and give loans to new start-up factories & companies and start producing something of value to export to the world. This mean you have to devalue the dollar 60-70% initially to get the wheels moving and also have a period of low wages paid to workers of your new factories.

A few new technology breakthroughs coming to the market from the US could also speed up the process of a very slow recovery.

Hard times for all - good luck friend!

[edi

[edit on 15-2-2009 by Chevalerous]




posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 06:57 AM
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Originally posted by tide88
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The funny thing is you all think this is an american problem. Europe may be worse off then the US. It just hasnt hit as hard there YET. BTW the USA will be fine. Also only 25% of the total debt is owned by foreign contries. And yes by gross external debt we rank number 1. However look at this chart. UK percentage of external debt is a whopping 376% or 189,855$ per capita. Germany 159%, France 211%. There are also many other contries on the list way worse off then the USA. The Debt we have is large, but we are far away from having to declare bankruptcy. And even if we did, you have to be crazy if you think we would just give up our land. I dont care what is says on a piece of paper. I would like to see someone try to come and claim that land or people. It would be an all out war and probably the end of the world. BTW if we are using our land or anything else as collateral, they would just hold a lean on those items. They wouldnt actually have ownership until default.

lending agreements, collateral is a borrower's pledge of specific property to a lender, to secure repayment of a loan. [1][2] The collateral serves as protection for a lender against a borrower's risk of default - that is, any borrower failing to pay the principal and interest under the terms of a loan obligation. If a borrower does default on a loan (due to insolvency or other event), that borrower forfeits (gives up) the property pledged as collateral - and the lender then becomes the owner of the collateral


[edit on 14-2-2009 by tide88]



"I would like to see someone try to come and claim that land or people. It would be an all out war and probably the end of the world."


Do you really think that the lenders would come over to claim the land & collateral in person?

No they'll use all of the tools in their disposal to force the US to play along nice! - to have a chance in recover some of the debt, spread out by a very long term outlook & timeline.

That means if you don't do what you are beeing told to do, they cut off your dollar hegemony & don't lend you the important money to turn the ship around to get out of the crises.

The Americans has a very linear and shortsighted way of thinking, while the rest of the old world has a history of a more dynamic thinking and long term philosophy.

Let be frank with eachother! The US can not turn the ship around without help!

The US can not isolate itself without outside investments to recover, what would you produce and in what factories? and to whom would you export these goods?

Do you think you could isolate yourself and just print money for your nation out of thin air, without having to back this up from outside? and having the rest of the world buying the now almost worthless tresury bonds?

I'm sorry to say this but the US will be under pressure to pay its debt or at least try to do an effort to please the holders of those collaterals.

Of course! you could refuse to do so with childish threats about a war or anything else that is unmature to do to the rest of world who has been functioning for thousends of year with trade & agreements and wars before the USA existed.

What will that give you? a world war with the rest of the world united against your nation? - is that the way to solve things you think?

Nope! the US has to play nice along with others to avoid a financial & economical catastrophy that will hit the US harder than any of the developed countries beside the Kindom of Great Britain.

The Great Britain & Pound Sterling will also be threathened in a similar way and we'll soon see the british joining the Euro regional currency!

And do you really trust your goverment statistics about the state of your economy? Please! wake up! :lol

[edit on 15-2-2009 by Chevalerous]



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 07:38 AM
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Guess time will only tell. People apparently have been saying the US has been bankrupt since 1933. Seems to me like they have been getting along pretty well since then. But go ahead and keep predicting the end of the USA, we are used to it by now.



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 08:12 AM
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The US has been in Receivership for the last 75 Yrs...1933...2008.
www.givemeliberty.50megs.com...

Some payments had been made through the years.
www.fgmr.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
benfrank.net...
www.portfolio.com...
www.bloomberg.com...

All the agreements had been made/signed in 2003.
www.rumormillnews.com...
www.rumormillnews.com...
www.rumormillnews.com...

John W. Bush, Denton Guthrie, Kynaston Perrierra, Otto Starzman and Donald L. Miller, working under Kamarulzaman Bin Annuar in a Nevada corporation known as Global Petroleum Investments, United Kingdom of Atlantis, along with Jerry Hansard, and K. Mack Robinson of Jackson, Mississippi, embezzled Durham Trust and the people of the United States of America, out of the payment of the alleged national debt and who has also prevented the lawful return -- marked PAID IN FULL -- of hundreds of thousands of mortgages held by U.S. Citizens and stored by the House Rothschild in the City of London and in France. This certainly indicates that they are material witnesses to the ill-gotten proceeds of the embezzlement of the $6.5T payment of the U.S. debt, in the Durham Trust's debt swap/debt conversion of May 21, 2003.
www.rumormillnews.com...
www.rumormillnews.com...
www.rumormillnews.com...

2003-2008 Satyam Computer Services Ltd installs Spyware/Password/Keyboard Software at World Bank/IMF/WHO, starting in the summer of 2007, Start accessing ALL their databases in attempt to find out how to withdraw "Their" Money.
www.foxnews.com...
www.foxnews.com...
www.foxnews.com...

Jan 23rd-Feb 5th 2008 Undersea Internet lines cut to try to stop hacking.
www.ilovebonnie.net...
www.disinfo.com...

March 17th 2008 Congress is informed of Hacking/Attempt/was TOLD to pay in 2008.
disinter.wordpress.com...
www.youtube.com...
(He mentions congress could vote to release the transcripts...)

The US said No, Nothing or We can't we were Ripped Off...

September 11th Electronic Withdraw at Fed/Treas...$550B
US stops Withdraw...freezes credit/mutual funds
www.youtube.com...
www.nytimes.com...
afp.google.com...

October 10th Electronic Withdraw at UK Banks...
www.bloomberg.com...
www.foxnews.com...

Panic ensues...

This is the Timeline I'm coming up with after reading through that data...

I might be wrong, but, with all the "coincidenses" peppered in there with Edward Durrell, Kamarulzaman Bin Annuar and James Traficant...hhhmmm



I want to thank all the posters on:
How worldwide economic collapse was averted
www.abovetopsecret.com...
For their contributions in helping me form this theory!!!


[edit on 2/15/2009 by Hx3_1963]



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by tide88
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Guess time will only tell. People apparently have been saying the US has been bankrupt since 1933. Seems to me like they have been getting along pretty well since then. But go ahead and keep predicting the end of the USA, we are used to it by now.


No my friend! I don't wish further decline for the US, because it would effect us all severely!

But what is done is done! greed has ruled the economy for too long, and many are living way above their means, even here in the EU.

The goverment has shown you statistics with artificial numbers and leaving out some of the important parts to get a fair view of the economy.

So everyone in the US has to wake up first and realize these facts, and then later together with us friends in the rest of the western world look for ways to solve this in some way, so we can all benefit from this in the long run. There is no easy fix out of this!

There are 'Credit default swaps' & 'Interests rates swaps' derivatives contracts made, that is out there in the world who can send all of us to a financial hell that we never could get out of. There is not enough money to cover them all!

There are existing bets that some of the biggest US corporations and companies will default, and these are probably made by both American and International Banksters.

So together we have to sit down with a plan to reform the financial system without destroying the world economy!

And that means we have to come up with some way to lift out/nullify these contracts and the rest of the toxic material that orginated from greedy Wall street intitutions who repackeged these toxic papers and sold to the rest of the world.

That is why we need some kind of new rules and regulations to get us out this mess, we need more control over the derivatives market to get us out of this catastrophy that got us in to mess from the beginning - GREED!

I know these measures sounds a bit socialistic, and I'm not sure I like it myself, but whata heck else is there to do? People are losing jobs, we need to control the greedy derivatives market with rules and some regulation for the time being.

Whats done is done! now we need to work together to get us out of here!

And I am afraid this will also mean that things & life will be totally different for people in the US as well for the rest of us here, for a long time to come til things get better!

In the eyes of the world the US has a big reponsability for this mess, like the rest of the world Banksters and should therefore take part of the solution and the hard work ahead.

There is not time for partisan fights and blame games! The US need to play ball with the rest of us and get into the game on same terms as anyone else.

The happy days are temporarily over! so you'll need to get with the program like the rest of us. Together we can try to do the best of the situation, but if the US & EU starts to act like spoiled children and fight, we get nowhere!

I love America and the nice great people I have learn to know there in my lifetime, and I wish you no further harm in any way! I just wish you could tone down "America First" & "America No 1" "America will kick AZZ!" a notch during these crises so we can work together instead of alienating us further apart!

We Europeans and Americans have so much things together and have a very similar way of life and are sharing history and many common values together - we are cousins! and should be able to see through our small differences and flaws, so we have to meet on the half way and be able to make compromises that can benefit all of us in the future.

We have to stop seeing eachother like the retarted cousins we really are! and start working together instead of fighting!


I'm really sorry if I some way offended you with my words?



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 05:00 PM
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Nice post. I agree with you 100%. Sorry for judging you, it is just 99% of people on here are anti-usa. Blame everything on the usa. Death to the USA. At least you are looking for a solution and I respect that. Others just want the USA to fail. They dont realize what a disaster that would be. I mean if the USA were so unimportant why are other countries up in arms about the Buy American wording in the Stimulus Package. Anyway, nice post.



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 02:42 AM
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Another "Payment" on our National Debt?

Go through additional Links...lots of good stuff...


WTC Attack - Some Serious Questions - Sierra Times.com

With all the conspiracy theories floating around, a recent article has been published that might make even the most sheepish sheeple begin to scratch their heads. There clearly is more going on than someone is telling us. An article from the New York Daily news is frightening -- once you begin to look at the evidence. Let's go over this in detail, giving the government the complete benefit of the doubt.

Follow the Gold
angelsfortruth.com...
Follow the Stocks
angelsfortruth.com...



[edit on 2/16/2009 by Hx3_1963]



posted on Feb, 19 2009 @ 10:39 AM
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and some links to other threads connected to all this stuff...

The Bankers' Manifesto of 1892 - MUST READ!, page 1
www.abovetopsecret.com...

The Bankers Manifesto of 1892, page 1
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Bankers Manifesto: Just try and tell me that Bankers aren't ...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Confidential document said to warn of conflict or revolution for ...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

President Tries Closing Down Federal Reserve
www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 2/19/2009 by Hx3_1963]



posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 05:32 AM
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The most important thing you'll never read


The Creature from Jekyll Island
www.financialsense.com...



posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 10:09 PM
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posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 10:30 PM
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Originally posted by LostNemesis
So, the link contains plenty of info that many of us already know. But at the same time, others have tried to inform about this stuff and have failed...

Good luck, star and flag from me.



In return, the Federal Reserve System agreed to extend the federal United States corporation all the credit "money substitute" it needed. Like any other debtor, the federal United States government had to assign collateral and security to their creditors as a condition of the loan. Since the federal United States didn't have any assets, they assigned the private property of their "economic slaves", the U.S. citizens as collateral against the un-payable federal debt. They also pledged the unincorporated federal territories, national parks forests, birth certificates, and nonprofit organizations, as collateral against the federal debt. All has already been transferred as payment to the international bankers.


This is powerful stuff..

But then would it go against the reality then, that they want to reduce our numbers, if we have been 'sold'?


I'm so sorry. The only way to balance the books when open ended programs, etc. cease to do any good is to kill the Creditor (that would be the people used as collateral) It is the only way to balance the sheets properly. There is no other alternative. Further, they stand in the way from claiming your liens.

As I have done in an earlier post, it is all based on Contract Law, the only way out is to terminate the contract.

[edit on 22-2-2009 by PhyberDragon]



posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 11:35 PM
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Originally posted by Hx3_1963
Welcome to The Real Matrix: Time for The Red Pill?

With the World in a Global Economic/Financial Meltdown and People in Denial, I will Share What Many Have Known for Years.

Many of You Have Heard of This, and, I Congratulate You on Your Choice of Taking The Red Pill Prior to These Current Events.


I commend you on your Great Work. While I have gone under many names and played many games, I am impressed. Did you know that the Matrix movie was based upon one of my own orders?

It is from The Matrix, the Black Book, and it's Reference Guide of the NTSS--- PMP % tt IOI, NTSS, BOSD, et al.

Solution: There are many ways to be many people at many times. What you struggle with here is not an event of identity or of conscience, but, one of Contract. Pure and simple. Do you fear shirking off Names and numbers? If you are under de facto rule because of such things and you shed them as though a shirt, the Contract holds no authority. It becomes NULL and VOID as a legally forged instrument. How to overcome the dilemma of paying your Bills or signing Traffic tickets which incorporate you can be easily overcome. Write in sign and initial that the name is to appear as follows in all accounts, records, bills, and reciepts or Statements, and sign it in signatory as such as well, as either of the form JOHN: DOE or John of the family of Doe. YES Write your name in all capitals in the former form, and do not ever forget the colons. This subjects you to C. L.

Under Common Law and Admiralty/ Maritime Laws, CORPORATIONS are written in all capitals, look again at your medical, police, or insurance, mortgage, phone records, etc. By signing you are Incorporating yourself voluntarily, consent by inaction or lack of knowledge is still consent. Further, you must include A.R.R. and C.P.R. with your signature at all times. If it is refused, go elsewhere, try later, or be more creative in your signatory style, and always date your signature somewhere near it, and not just where the specify, if you don't initial and date Contract additions, they are null and void. You must do so for each line. Whenever possible and unnoticed, sign out all contract lines you disagree with such as their right to change the contract without notice at any time, also mark out their use for legal or aggregate uses of information. Study contract Law and Common Law and Maritime Law more than you study anything else, Canon Laws too. Don't rely on the Constitution, Bill of Rights or amy Laws or Treaties it enforces, remember, America is no more, they are legally inadmissable. You have to beat a lawyer at words and definitions. If they accept the contract or form,or check, etc. And a transaction for goods or services are completed then, it is a forged legal instrument and the Company is bound to the trerms set therein. You shouls see my paper trail. you'd cry how much power I have in all cases. I actually have the power to alter, modify, or abolish any and all contracts I have ever entered without notice, and, they have waived all rights whatsoever. Further, I can reinstate the contract even after I have dropped it without notice or consent needed for me to give them, while in all cases they must not only give me consent, but, must also recieve my authorization, in writing, to make such changes. And in the event of a default or bankruptcy or business closing, of the primary party, and all other secondary or aggregate parties, directly or indirectly, I am the one owed the debt. In the event of any and all debts or disputes, I am to be held harmless and presumed, as well as, deemed innocent of any and all wrongdoing or negligence by all parties concerned and their subsidiaries, directly or inderectly, I win all ties in arbitration or suits at law, Arbitration is to always be presumed to be in my favor, etc, etc. it would blow your mind's the contracts I have submitted and made law through the years, though, I don't always enforce them, still, statutes of limitations are waivable by me but not the other parties anyways. Done is done, I have it all down to an artform with little to no words needed anymore, I just reference all other contracts and it covers everything. Hell, even all of my Military records are done up that way, and they wouldn't even know what they are reading unless I point it out. Read the Fine Print as I was always taught.

Hell, I don't even fear giving out my Social Security number, name, or ID, number's, nothing. It's all covered by contract. All uses falls under Identity Theft, yet, it does not steal my Identity at all, they would be actions of an Identity not my own, that is Actions not of my True Self, as it has already been done before I ever gave it out, if indeed I am the one who so give it out. And I can be held liable for no debts accrued. I have no debts. Yet, I enjoy the same rights and privelages as anyone else.

There is a Pill to get out. Read the Contract before you sign it. It may well be too late for many, just be more cautious when signing things from now on, but, you can teach your children how to get out of the debyt slavery.

There are volumes of secrets, and what not out there, but, they are best kept guarded. This one is a freebee because no one benefits from this, and the guardians are getting tired of it. How long can you keep hoping to be free, when the guards are trapped too?

You are only an economic slave under the 16th (that is the 17th Ammendment) Amendment when you commit a Crime. The Crime? Debt in excess of $5000 is considered a felony crime in most States. Since, you cannot be jailed for a debt under the 2nd 13th Ammendment (that is, the 14th Amendment) your benevolent de facto Government, not wanting you to know that the New Model Constitution of the US for 1942 is your true operating Constitution, keep the illussion by telling you, you are committing a Crime, under Contract Law, for disobeying a legal Order of the Court or Administrative entity to pay, that is, it has nothing to do with the content of the order, just failure to honor the legal obligation of it's imposed authority.
Incorporation, that's why you have to be served. If you avoid service, you are not incorporated. See how difficult they make that. Don't trust the lawyer, his oath is to the Bar, their obligation, as is the Judge's and all staff present, is to the State's interest, not the slaves. De Facto Courts and Mock Trials. Shadow Governme

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posted on Feb, 23 2009 @ 12:07 AM
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I'll Give you an example. A major Car Insurance Company has to give me Full Coverage, Bumper to Bumper Insurance, in every state and country I drive my vehicle, I can register as many vehicles as I like onto the policy, I can also designate others to be insured by the coverage, I can change the terms whenever I wish and however I wish, they waive all rights to any say about any of it. Further, I have this coverage for life and all the terms of the contract whether I drop the coverage and pick it up over and over again. And the price I pay for this? $120 every 6 month's. Regardless of the vehicle or it's condition, and regardless of the number and type of vehicle, craft, bike, etc. covered. All coditions are covered by the Insurance Giant no matter what. When they caught what I had done, they took it to Court to get out from under it and lost. I never hired a lawyer or had to attend Court. Hell, I didn't do anything, I ignored the whole affair. They had to sent me notice of the legal action and the results. There are ton's more legal contract trick's etc. But, I was only interested in getting people out of Corporate Economic Slave status, many will not take advantage, but, maybe a few will find it in themselves to set themselves free.

Sorry, I make alot of typos, hope you can still follow.

[edit on 23-2-2009 by PhyberDragon]



posted on Feb, 23 2009 @ 12:45 AM
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Originally posted by Hx3_1963
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This might be a Point of Contention for Some in "The Group", being as, "They", Need our Output to Support, "Their", Continuing "Pyramid of Power".

I Suppose the Weak/Sick/Elderly Would be Expendable, as They Would be a Drain on "Their" New System.

[edit on 2/14/2009 by Hx3_1963]


Pharmacopia, mental institutions, surgery's, research, etc. We all have our uses. From cradle to grave. They also serve as motivators and bargaining chips. Work harder to help grandma with her mortgage and all that.



posted on Feb, 23 2009 @ 01:03 AM
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Originally posted by tide88
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The funny thing is you all think this is an american problem. Europe may be worse off then the US. It just hasnt hit as hard there YET. BTW the USA will be fine. Also only 25% of the total debt is owned by foreign contries. And yes by gross external debt we rank number 1. However look at this chart. UK percentage of external debt is a whopping 376% or 189,855$ per capita. Germany 159%, France 211%. There are also many other contries on the list way worse off then the USA. The Debt we have is large, but we are far away from having to declare bankruptcy. And even if we did, you have to be crazy if you think we would just give up our land. I dont care what is says on a piece of paper. I would like to see someone try to come and claim that land or people. It would be an all out war and probably the end of the world. BTW if we are using our land or anything else as collateral, they would just hold a lean on those items. They wouldnt actually have ownership until default.

lending agreements, collateral is a borrower's pledge of specific property to a lender, to secure repayment of a loan. [1][2] The collateral serves as protection for a lender against a borrower's risk of default - that is, any borrower failing to pay the principal and interest under the terms of a loan obligation. If a borrower does default on a loan (due to insolvency or other event), that borrower forfeits (gives up) the property pledged as collateral - and the lender then becomes the owner of the collateral


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Precisely. That was the whole point of the FRB creating this mess. Your COuntries have all done exactly as the US has already. You just may not have been told yet. All of you. Now, with the run on the banks, etc. It is an engineered bankruptcy for EVERY Country. Like Dominoes they will take each other down. Won't be hurt? You will be decimated.

DEFAULT. That is exactly what you and all other Countries will do. Then, you think they won't come to Collect. Study your history a Little More, I can tell you which Countries created this mess, and they will be coming to collect. And no, all your guns won't stop them. Shoot a high altitude bomber.

Here's a thought, go to the NO MAN'S LAND of Antarctica and see whose Armies you find holed up there. And I don't mean the US's. Heil!

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posted on Feb, 23 2009 @ 01:16 AM
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Originally posted by questioningall
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WOW - that really hit..... I knew many things before, but LEARNED many MORE from that document!!

S and F for you!

So.... did I get it correctly? NONE of us ACTUALLY own the homes/land etc. we pay on?



In other words the more money you have, the broker you really are, since money is backed by goods or service, barter, etc. That is why the Tax Code makes bartering Illegal and you are taxed on all barters, just like taxes on drugs, tax stamps are issued, etc. since the money, you think of as money, your Dollar Bill, etc. is not backed by anything it is a debt note. The more you accumulate, the more debt notes you have. When you buy stuff, house, car, food, etc. you are paying your debt with debt. So, NO, you do not own your home or land, etc. You are still in debt for it, and the downpayment as well, plus, you owe all that accumulating interest, plus the insurance, and if you had paid for maintainance, etc. you still owe for that. You are buying IOU's with IOU's. And, you owe alot. And, if you consider that your Government, whom represents you, owes on all those notes and intersts as well, so, can you see your debt stacked around your ears yet. The true reason the Wealthy hate the poor is because of how rich and free they really are. I don't owe money for a Government that does not exist. I would only owe if I ever incorporated into the Company of that same name, which, I have no such Incorporation's myself. But, everytime you sign a mortgage, loan. insurance form, speeding ticket, get utilities, etc. you are entering into a legal State of Limited InCorporation with the Parent Corporation, the "USA", the "UK", "China", etc.. And all those banks you deal with, they look American, huh, nope, they are Foreign or subsidiary holding company's for the foreign banks, these banks and institutions fall under more and more defined Umbrella Corporations, Partnerships, and Holding's, etc. until they consolidate into Central Banks, which become a buffer to the Prime Banks. And don't let the name Bank fool you. It is and always has been a business just like any other Business, and that Business also own's it's Collection agencies through Treasury Dept's that Govern every Country on Earth, and their collection agencies and partners, such as the IRS, which the Government's debtor rulers must submit their Countries (Companies) Resources and Assets to accomodate in every way possible, by any means necessary. The shareholders of the Banks control ultimately, every aspect of their Companies (Countries) and the Owners, Have absolute Control. And they are from......
The debt is transferred around. They are not devaluing money they are devaluing debt. To offset the debt, they inflate the money, if it were real money, this would work. Since it is not they are offsetting the debt with more debt. When China buys our debt, they are doing so with more debt. All the countries of the World are operating under this debt system. We are in a debtors prison, and now the Owners are bankrupting the prison to collect the debt, even from the duped Wardens and Guards of the inmates. They bank on ignorance and division, to create chaos. And, in the confusion, they will offer a solution. A new economic system for the whole Globe, here come the mark of the beast Debit Cards to buy, sell, and trade with electronic numbers, under the Sovereign Control of Emperor David Rockefeller & his "Company" of Aristocrats.

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posted on Feb, 23 2009 @ 01:27 AM
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posted on Feb, 23 2009 @ 01:36 AM
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Really good stuff guys! I agree with it!
Thank you for the links & reality check!



posted on Feb, 23 2009 @ 01:41 AM
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Makes it easier to understand why the KGC's actions to hide all that Southern Bullion and Gold Certificates, etc, before Unionizing was such a big deal, and is to this day. Don't it.



posted on Feb, 23 2009 @ 02:39 AM
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I'll give you these two for free:

The BURDEN OF PROOF is always on the Accuser. Ie: The Accuser says, "God is real", then Challenges the Defender, "prove he is not". The Defender Counter's, "You made the assertion that God is Real you have the Burden TO PROVE your Claim. It is not for me to provide evidentiary for your case, as such would be construed so as to incriminate me, however since I am wise and in the know on such matters, I will offer you such PROOF as you demand, if under our system where the Crown is the legal arm of the Vatican, you PROVE to me, that the LORD BE FIRST SERVED. Careful you do not brandish yourself as either a heretic or a traitor, for both of which the penalty for such High Treasons (on the High Seas of Maritime Law) is Death. But, shall I venture forth this Ave. when Law requires the BURDEN OF PROOF rest with the Accuser and not the Defender, else Prosecutor's would be Defending their Opposition and vice versa. And again, in kind, I would warn, careful to see that the LORD BE FIRST SERVED as you prove your Claim. Else, if there be no objection, and as the Lamb is to seek Counsel of the Wolves, I would Move that this matter be dismissed and expunged from the record, without prejudice, lest you should like to venture forth into this Arena."

Silence is an Admission of Guilt, only by words and definitions can you break the chains of the Prison of the Mind. GOD SAVE THE KING OF KINGS. Even I, an Athiest, that is to say, more precisely, A Theist, and a Theorist, pray to the LORD for swift and Merciful Judgement in ALL things..

Guess it pays to descend from the likes of the King of Media, Roy of Og (Robin Hood), and US President Monroe (Monroe Doctrine unifying the American Continent for the US Demi- Crown(D.C.)), et al. ---PMP % tt IOI, et al.

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