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posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by ats__fan039


"..The World Is A Vampire, Sent to drain..."
"...Secret Destroyers, Hold you up to the flame",-Smashing Pumpkins



Right on with that except you forgot the verse lyrics which are just as relevant -

"Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage"

OP - Red pill works
s&f




posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 05:03 PM
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The funny thing is you all think this is an american problem. Europe may be worse off then the US. It just hasnt hit as hard there YET. BTW the USA will be fine. Also only 25% of the total debt is owned by foreign contries. And yes by gross external debt we rank number 1. However look at this chart. UK percentage of external debt is a whopping 376% or 189,855$ per capita. Germany 159%, France 211%. There are also many other contries on the list way worse off then the USA. The Debt we have is large, but we are far away from having to declare bankruptcy. And even if we did, you have to be crazy if you think we would just give up our land. I dont care what is says on a piece of paper. I would like to see someone try to come and claim that land or people. It would be an all out war and probably the end of the world. BTW if we are using our land or anything else as collateral, they would just hold a lean on those items. They wouldnt actually have ownership until default.

lending agreements, collateral is a borrower's pledge of specific property to a lender, to secure repayment of a loan. [1][2] The collateral serves as protection for a lender against a borrower's risk of default - that is, any borrower failing to pay the principal and interest under the terms of a loan obligation. If a borrower does default on a loan (due to insolvency or other event), that borrower forfeits (gives up) the property pledged as collateral - and the lender then becomes the owner of the collateral


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posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 06:07 PM
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Well, there is a matrix because this whole world is held hostage by Satan but the red or blue pill wont help you any- you need the 'gos pill' in my opinion.
if Jesus makes you free - you are free indeed
Yacov



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 06:49 PM
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I agree UK is probley at the Top of the List, They've had this Banking System since the 1600's.

The way our Debt has increased since Sept 2008, along with all these Tax Cuts passed, there is a real possibility the US might Default, being Taxes are used for this sole purpose and the Failing Economy is not generating additional Income.

Technically all this happened in 1933 so, the US is just getting ready to finally Default.

I also think the Motto, "If you want it, just try to take it!" Is a good one.

Our Country was Built on the Labors of our Ancestors and We wouldn't be in this Position if it were not for Bankers and Interest.

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posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 06:52 PM
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WOW - that really hit..... I knew many things before, but LEARNED many MORE from that document!!

S and F for you!

So.... did I get it correctly? NONE of us ACTUALLY own the homes/land etc. we pay on?



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 07:13 PM
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According to that Document, since 1933, we're just Assets/Property, like all those pieces of Paper the Banks are holding right now.


As a result of HJR 192, no one in the U.S. from 5th June 1933 has been able to pay a debt. They can only tender in transfer of debts, the debt being perpetual.
The suspension of the gold standard, and prohibition against paying debts, removed the substance for the Common Law to operate on, and created a void, as far as the law is concerned.
This substance was replaced with a "Public National Credit" system where debt is money (The Federal Reserve calls it "monetized debt") over which the only jurisdiction is Admiralty and Maritime, and so ... every man, woman and child who deals in the public national credit in the legal position of a merchant, is under Admiralty and Maritime jurisdiction. There is a way out of this 'black hole', however this will not be discussed here.

Prior to 5th June 1933, President Franklin Roosevelt, on 5th April 1933, under Executive Order, declared:
"All persons are required to deliver ON OR BEFORE MAY 1, 1933 all GOLD COIN, GOLD BULLION, AND GOLD CERTIFICATES now owned by them to a Federal Reserve Bank, branch or agency, or to any member bank of the Federal Reserve System."
Section 9 of the order read:
“Whosoever willfully violates any provisions of this Executive Order or of these regulations or of any rule, regulation or license issued thereunder may be fined not more than $10,000, or if a natural person, may be imprisoned for not more than 10 years, or both; and any officer, director or agency of any corporation who knowingly participates in any such violation may be punished by a like fine, imprisonment, or both."
Roosevelt was not expressly authorised to issue this Executive Order demanding that private men, women and children must deliver their gold coin etc to a Federal Reserve Bank, branch or agency etc.
This Order by Roosevelt was an act of treason on the American men, women and children..
The United States government, in order to provide necessary goods and services, created a commercial bond (promissory note), by pledging the property, labor, life and body of its citizens, as payment for the debt (bankruptcy to the international bankers). This commercial bond made chattel (property) out of every man, woman and child in the United States. Every man, woman and child are nothing more than and collateral and human resources for the debt.
This commercial bond is created through the registration of the birth certificates of every man, woman and child. It is the same for Australia. Again, there is a way out of this 'black hole', however this will not be discussed here.


Edit: Here are a couple of links mentioning this...

A must Read

total_truth_sciences
groups.google.com...


In 1993, Congressman James Traficant exposed the financial corruption of the Federal Reserve System and spoke on the House Floor on March 17, 1993, and I heard part of the speech on C-SPAN. It was interrupted and no reason was given; C-SPAN went directly to cover another event. Traficant became the target for being framed on bogus corruption charges. Honest men are either taken out by the Ruling Elite Organized Crime Syndicate or rot in jail.

To silence Traficant, certain members of Congress found a means to put him in prison on trumped-up charges. The hearings were like a kangaroo court; whereby, he was not allowed to bring in certain witnesses, documents, and testimony. Judge Lesley Wells of the U.S. District Court in Cleveland, Ohio, was prejudiced toward Traficant and refused to set bail for Traficant, ordering that service of his term should begin immediately. Denial of bail also sets aside all pending appeals to Traficant's conviction. Traficant is now serving an eight year prison sentence in federal prison for his April 11, 2002 conviction on trumped-up felony charges of bribery, corruption and tax evasion.

By a vote of 420-1, Traficant was also expelled from the House of Representatives. House Resolution No. 495 read simply, "Resolved, That, pursuant to article I, section 5, clause 2 of the United States Constitution, Representative James A. Traficant, Jr., be, and he hereby is expelled, from the House of Representatives." Traficant is the second member of the House to be expelled since the Civil War and the fifth in congressional history. Traficant, addressing the House, said "I'll go to jail before I resign and admit to something I didn't do.""

Traficant, A former county sheriff, had been elected to Congress nine times by the people of his Mahoning Valley, Ohio district. He plans to run for re-election as an independent candidate and intends to serve from jail if elected.

DON'T FORGET! James Traficant is STILL in prison!


Speech delivered On House floor by James Traficant
This speech as it originally appeared in the congressional record at this link: www.afn.org...
www.givemeliberty.50megs.com...

Traficant: US is Bankrupt-Congressional Cover Up
www.the7thfire.com...

CONVICTED REP. TRAFICANT FIGHTS FOR SURVIVAL
www.rumormillnews.com...

Mr. Johnson, We Are Far Past Bankruptcy!
www.nolanchart.com...

The Bankruptcy of The United States
United States Congressional Record, March 17, 1993 Vol. 33, page H-1303
www.afn.org...
www.afn.org...

THREE CLAIMS
vitaminc.ipower.com...

On the bankruptcy of the US FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, 1933
www.reddit.com...

U S Congressional Record, March 17, 1993 Vol. 33, page H-1303
www.dailypaul.com...

The Principality of Range View
www.brumbywatchaustralia.com...

Gold and Fiat Currencies - The Confidence Game
www.rense.com...

The Creature from Jekyll Island
www.biblebelievers.org.au...

Edit: There are more...here's the google search page I used...a very telling collection of Evidence...
www.google.com...

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posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 07:42 PM
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I hope everyone clicks on some of the other links from the main one - there is HUGE amounts of info in them..................especially the IRS info

www.apfn.net...

the eyes are a little annoying on that page, but read the info!!!!!


According to the 1994 US Government Manual, at page 390, the Attorney
General is the permanent representative to INTERPOL, and the Secretary of
Treasury is the alternate member. Under Article 30 of the INTERPOL
constitution, these individuals must expatriate their citizenship. They
serve no allegiance to the United States of America. The IRS is paid by "The
Fund" and "The Bank."
Thus it appears from the documentary evidence that the Internal Revenue
Service agents are "Agents of a Foreign Principle" within the meaning and
intent of the "Foreign Agents Registration Act of 1938" for private, not
public, gain.
The IRS is directed and controlled by the corporate Governor of "The Fund"
and "The Bank." The Federal Reserve Bank and the IRS collection agency are
both privately owned and operated under private statutes. The IRS operates
under public policy, not Constitutional Law, and in the interest of our
nations foreign creditors


that is nothing compared to the other info there too --- READ PLEASE

If I could S and F you again I would!!!!

GREAT INFO AND SITE - A GOLD MINE FIND!!!!!!

AWESOME!!!



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 08:08 PM
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It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law 89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and insolvent. H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress m session June 5, 1933 - Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal Government exists today in name only.

This is why you pay income taxes and lawyers hold public office even though the Constitution forbids both. It has been suspended since 1933. Some of you may have lost friends and family in wars during this time, and you may be thinking that they died for nothing. They died to preserve this Nation so one day, we would all be free again, even though they did not know that we were enslaved. And, at last, that day has come.
The Republic of the United Sates was placed in Receivership under the authority of the United Nations, the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the World Bank and International bankers who adopted a new form of government called a democracy. From that day forward, everyone was programmed to believe that a democracy meant freedom.

It was a lie.
The receivers of the United States Bankruptcy are the International Bankers, via the United Nations, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. All United States Offices, Officials, and Departments are now operating within a de facto status in name only under Emergency War Powers. With the Constitutional Republican form of Government now dissolved, the receivers of the Bankruptcy have adopted a new form of government for the United States. This new form of government is known as a Democracy, being an established Socialist/Communist order under a new governor for America. This act was instituted and established by transferring and/or placing the Office of the Secretary of Treasury to that of the Governor of the International Monetary Fund. Public Law 94-564, page 8, Section H.R. 13955 reads in part: “The U.S. Secretary of Treasury receives no compensation for representing the United States?’

As you can see Secretary Paulson is Secretary of the Treasury in name only. He is really part of the International Monetary Fund. That is why he has so much power. It should also leave no doubt in your mind that he intends to extract every last dollar from us that he can get … even if it leaves our economy in shambles … maybe even forcing us back into bankruptcy. George Bush’s ongoing business relationships with Paulson leave little doubt that he is president in name only. His true purposes do not serve the Republic.
The receivership period lasted 75 years. During the last 75 years every rich jerk and media wannabe has flocked to the money and power. In their quest for money, we and our children have been programmed into apathy, hooked on credit, dumbed down, fattened up, and over medicated as all the big boys devised methods to extract every last dollar from the herd…. all in the name of profit. Americans have been subjected to every form of psychological programming that could be devised.

The receivership expired in March of 2008. The last payment was made in 2003.

Mr. Kamarulzaman Bin Annuar of the U.S. and U.S. Foreign Federal Reserve Clear Stream and Euro Clear Systems, called us after receiving the DHL PACKAGE Number 7642371461; Whereby THE TRUST was assured by June 12, 2003 (a) The Rothschilds in London had signed off (b) The U.S. Fed. R. had signed off (c) The U.S. Dept. of the Treasury had signed off (d) The White House Signed off and was very happy to do so (e) the CIA in Spain also signed off and took their cut of the $6.5 Trillion Dollar U.S. & AMERICAN CONTINENTAL DEBT PAYMENT and (f) EACH WANTED TO KNOW IF THE TRUST WOULD PAY OFF THE EXTERNAL U.S. DEBTS AMOUNTING TO $400 TRILLION DOLLARS.

So why hasn’t the Republic been restored? Because George Bush has been blocking the settlement process so Paulson could loot every nook and cranny in the nation. There is no credit crisis at the Fed. They just want to stick us with all the worthless and counterfeit paper they have accumulated while subjecting us to generations of debt. If they can drive us back into bankruptcy, they can stay another 75 years, and our children’s children will have more of the same.
As soon as the transition process is complete, we will have our country back. The Constitution will be in force. We will have free elections. Common Law instead of Maritime Law. No IRS. No Federal Reserve. But first we have to go through the turnover process starting with the settlements.


FORFEITURE OF CITIZENSHIP LIKELY FOR HELPING K. ANNUAR
www.rumormillnews.com...


2. Payment of the U.S. Debt.

The Trust agreed to both. We were told by Mr. Kamarulzaman Bin Annuar he had negotiated the U.S. Debt Swap-Debt Conversion payment on May 21, 2003. The amount which would be acceptable by the U.S. Federal Reserve System and U.S. Treasury was $6.5 Trillion Dollars.

We were assured by both gentlemen, the Federal Reserve System and U.S. Treasury were prepared to accept our Perfected Sovereign Debt Collateral.


THE DURHAM TRUST REQUESTS AN INVESTIGATION
www.rumormillnews.com...

Every American - Before You Were Born, This Bailout, And The Return Of The Republic
www.fourwinds10.com...


The receivership expired in March of 2008.


Isn't this around the Time of the "Secret closed Door meeting" Congress held? March 17th 2008


(e) the CIA in Spain also signed off and took their cut of the $6.5 Trillion Dollar U.S. & AMERICAN CONTINENTAL DEBT PAYMENT


Isn't this about the Amount, $6.5T, Rep. Paul Kanjorski of Pennsylvania discusses on C-Span?


"The Treasury opened its window to help. They pumped a hundred and five billion dollars into the system and quickly realized that they could not stem the tide. We were having an electronic run on the banks!

They decided to close the operation, close down the money accounts, and announce a guarantee of $250,000 per account so there wouldn't be further panic. And that's what actually happened.

If they had not done that their ESTIMATION was that by 2pm that afternoon, 5 1/2 trillion dollars would have been drawn out of the money market system of the United States, it would have collapsed the entire economy of the United States, and within 24 hours the world economy would have collapsed."


Coincidence? I think not...

"Oh what a twisted web we weave, when first we practice to deceive," - Sir Walter Scott.

See this Thread for a Theory on how "They" planned on getting to "Their" Settlement...

How Worldwide Economic collapse was Averted
www.abovetopsecret.com...



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posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 08:35 PM
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As long as people keep buying our notes we will never default. And even if we did, what do you honestly think would happen? You think we would let the chinese come over here and just take our country over? I think it would be a complete disaster for the world economy if we were ever to default. It would never be allowed. And if we did we could just tell everyone to screw off. I mean what are they going to do. Invade the USA. On a side note. I keep seeing these threads about states passing legislation that gives them the power to declare soveregnty. What if they were doing this as a way for our government to default without any penalty. If all the states declared soveregnty from the US then that collateral would be worthless, because it would belong to the individual states. So what if all the states declare soveregnty, then the federal government defaults on the loans. They say too bad, you cant have the collateral because there US Federal Government doesnt own it anymore. Then the debt is wiped clean. After the debt is wiped clean the states reform and new USA, free of debt. It is just a theory I have and might be totally implausable. But who knows. I think it is a good idea.

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posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 08:44 PM
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Good try...if you read the Article, we've already been "Pledged" as Collateral on this debt, as the US is a Corporation.

Only recourse I see is in a Court, total Worldwide financial overhaul or Fight.




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posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 09:09 PM
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Regarding the Federal Reserve and the Gold in Ft. Knox
January 17, 2009 at 6:28pm
www.phoenixpermaculture.org...


"About Fort Knox Gold:
In the 1970's a very courageous gentleman named Edward Durrell...

(Original link removed? I substituted...)
Thinking the Unthinkable
www.fgmr.com...

First, about Fort Knox. You know, the Fort Knox Gold Scandal is just like the Watergate Scandal in one respect: There is a desperate cover-up going on right now just as happened with Watergate. The Fort Knox Gold Scandal
cover-up really passed the point of no return last September when the United States Treasury perpetrated the Fort Knox gold inspection hoax in an attempt to discredit my charges that there's no gold in Fort Knox because it had all
been illegally removed. Since that time the Government has been getting in deeper and deeper and deeper, involving more and more people in all sorts of maneuvers to try to keep the lid on. For example, when the Congressmen and newsmen visited Fort Knox last September, news stories promised everybody that the visit would be followed up by an audit of the Fort Knox gold by the General Accounting Office, but what they actually did was just a very superficial exercise just to make the record look good, and the group of 15 men that did it had only two (2) General Accounting Office representatives on it. All the rest were from the Treasury itself--in other words, the fox went into the henhouse to count our chickens for us.

It may come as a shock to some, but the U.S. has very little so-called "U.S. government" gold bullion in Fort Knox. A brave outspoken journalist, Tom Valentine, in the 1970s, exposed as a fraud that there was world-trade-quality gold at Fort Knox. All they have left are poor quality, orangish-looking, melted down coin metal from the seizure in 1934, of gold coins from America's common people. [The American aristocracy, warned in advance, shipped THEIR gold out of the U.S.] The U.S. governmentt gold is gone. Why? Because it was shipped, under the supervision of a ply-able U.S. General, to the private central octopus called the Bank of England, in 1968, to stem a run on that bank which had somehow lost all their own gold.]

The organization (formerly) chaired by Alan Greenspan is a coalition of private international banks, that does not answer to the United States Government. And there is no precious metal warehoused in Fort Knox or elsewhere that backs the money that they issue.

Large shipment of gold leaves Fort Knox, public doesn't know that their national gold 'reserves' are being secretly depleted by one-world national socialist agents working in U.S. government. Gold at Fort Knox replaced with
gold-plated lead bars, making it the biggest heist in history. Rockefellers involved. James MacDonald becomes critical of Air Force and the CIA.

Throughout the 20th century this movement toward a one world government has been marching on. This is not new or recent. In his book Critical Path Buckminster Fuller gives a very impressive sweep of the 20th century, about the large corporations and their agents and the lawyers who basically control the country far more than the people understand. He talked about how all the gold was removed from Fort Knox by the 1960's.

Where did it go?

It went to the banks. They own the country. Fuller called the CIA, "capitalism's invisible army." We have a Constitution and our Bill of Rights (the first 10 amendments) that makes us free. Right?



In 1971 Nixon unilaterally canceled the Bretton Woods system and stopped the direct convertibility of the United States dollar to gold.
en.wikipedia.org...

Another Coincidence?

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posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 09:41 PM
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Yea, I had read that, but I also knew about it anyway. I also know there is "melt" on the market now - overseas.

So, that basically says, the U.S. has been selling off what little was left of their gold.

That site is literally a GOLD MINE of information!!! I have been reading all the different links - one thing I can't say I agree with him on though.... that is when he keeps saying Gore would have taken the U.S. to communism already. That is a different subject.

Anyway - I AM SO HAPPY you found that site!!! THANK YOU THANK YOU

AWESOME S AND F AGAIN - even if it is only in this post!!!!



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 10:00 PM
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Your Welcome!!! Now...spread the word!!!

If you think I'm on to something here, send the Masses to this Thread or something to get others to look at this.

I might be completely off here, but, I think I'm on to something that others have seen and haven't been able to piece together in the past, as only now are all the pieces falling into place.




posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 10:11 PM
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Here are some other links:

Now this older Thread is really interesting, as it ties current events back to events in 2001. I mentioned in another Thread I thought it might go back AT LEAST that far and it looks like I was right...it's all inter-linked...

Where's the missing $6.5 Trillion?
www.abovetopsecret.com...

As is this...

How worldwide economic collapse was averted
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Read through some of the links on this page...

Top Secret Money Lab
topsecretmoneylab.com...

U.K.’s Myners Tells Times Bank System Nearly Failed on Oct. 10
www.bloomberg.com...

Here's the Google search page I used...
www.google.com...

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posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 10:16 PM
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Originally posted by Hx3_1963
reply to post by tide88
 


Good try...if you read the Article, we've already been "Pledged" as Collateral on this debt, as the US is a Corporation.

Only recourse I see is in a Court, total Worldwide financial overhaul or Fight.




It would have to be worldwide financial overhaul, since there are many countries, germany, france, uk.... that are far worse off then the USA. Of course that will lead to NWO talk.... US NAtional Debt



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posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 10:19 PM
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We are all outlaws now just by the words in our mouth....Tupac always talked about these problems the world has and not many people listened....it's a shame they got him so early



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 11:05 PM
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Man I hate it when everyone talks about the "red pill" and the "rabbit hole".

Seriously, it's highly irritating.



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 11:33 PM
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Why Thank You!!! It got you to visit the Thread...now read it!
I used "The Real Matrix" as this is a term most conspiracy minded people can relate to, and is quite descriptive of the current events. It's all an Illusion...

I'm not sure of any connections to this Article but thought I'd post it


Public announcement GEAB N°22 (February 16, 2008)

A revealing harbinger: From March 2008 onward, the US government will cease to publish its economic indicators due to budget restrictions [3]. Those who read the GEAB N°2 (02/2006), and included Alert, certainly keep in mind our anticipation which connected the upcoming fall of the US dollar with the US Fed’s decision to cease publishing the M3 indicator. This new decision is another clear sign that US leaders are now anticipating a very bleak economic outlook for their country.

In this 22nd issue of the Global Europe Anticipation Bulletin, with the alert we sound about a collapse of US real economy from September 2008 onward, we are trying again to warn those concerned that this major event will generate many very severe socio-political troubles in the United States [13] whose economy is truly on a tumbling course [14], a situation extremely likely to entail very heavy consequences for the financial and monetary markets, and for the world’s economy. We have not yet reached the heart of the crisis. According to LEAP/E2020, we will be there in the second semester of 2008.


Pretty good prediction, considering they made it back in Feb 2008...wonder who knew what?

March 17th 2008 closed door Congressional meetings

Complete list of all 4 Videos
www.youtube.com...

September 11th 2008 electronic run on Banks


October 10th 2008 electronic run on Banks

Global systemic crisis / September 2008 - Phase of collapse of US real economy
www.europe2020.org...



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posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 12:03 AM
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Because you're a nice guy I think I'll have a read of the hard work you have typed up.



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 04:13 AM
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The Bankers' Manifesto of 1892
circleof13.blogspot.com...


People without homes will not quarrel with their leaders. History repeats itself in regular cycles. This truth is well known among our principal men who are engaged in forming an imperialism of the world. While they are doing this, the people must be kept in a state of political antagonism.

The question of tariff reform must be urged through the organization known as the Democratic Party, and the question of protection with the reciprocity must be forced to view through the Republican Party.

By thus dividing voters, we can get them to expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance to us, except as teachers to the common herd. Thus, by discrete actions, we can secure all that has been so generously planned and successfully accomplished.


Sound Familiar?

Notice Who is standing behind TPOTUS these days?
In fact most of the higher up Politicians these days are involved somehow with Bankers/Wall St/Lobbists...



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