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Are We Going To Stand Up To The Gov. Or Take It???

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posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 11:26 PM
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This is insane, US was in debt like $400B just not to long ago (correct me if im wrong) now we passed these 2 bailouts and now US is in dept $2.5TRILLION!!!! The Gov just takes our money like that, they print more, get into more debt with other countries. THEY STEAL FROM US!!! They do what they please with it, we have NO WORD on it at all!!!!

We should have the right to VOTE ON THESE THINGS!!! We the people put the Gov in place, and if they are lying to us, stealing from us, buying each other planes as presents, while they pig out on the islands somewhere laughing at us because we are so dumb.... WE THE PEOPLE HAVE THE POWER TO PUSH THEM OUT!!!

They think we fear them, surely we dont want to deal with FBI, swat teams, cops, .... many of them joined the force to protect us, but they are and will be manipulated to turn against us.

WE HAVE THE RIGHT NOT TO PAY IF THE GOV STEALS IT FROM US. WHILE THEY GIVE IT TO THEIR BUDDIES, WE HAVE TO BUST OUR BUTTS TRYING TO MAKE PAYMENTS ON THE NEXT BILL. IF A ROBBER COMES TO YOUR HOUSE AND TAKES YOUR MONEY, HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT?

Right now people are starting to not have anything to loose, i have been laid off for the past 2 months almost, im not married, no kids, BUT IM THINKING ABOUT MY FUTURE.... IF NOTHING IS DONE, MY FAMILY WONT HAVE A FUTURE, MY KIDS WILL SUFFER AND LIVE THE WORST LIVES. GOVERNMENT WILL RUN US DRY AND GET US CORNERED!!!

We need to make a website, where we UNITE, LET THEM HEAR US! Make a big enough picture for them to see!!!

We are freefalling as a country, as AMERICA! If we don’t take things into our hands and show the GOV that we mean business then they will walk over us more and more and more…..

Other countries have waken up, they know whats going on, WHEN WILL WE WAKE UP???
 


MOD EDIT: All-Caps titles are not permitted. In the future, please remember this.

[edit on 14-2-2009 by TheBorg]




posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 11:29 PM
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Soon I pray...very soon.
We need a 20million man March..
First we have to do it quietly ...pamphlets, flyers, local news, the people in this country need wake up. Grab your guns...let's blast the walls of Capitol Hill.



posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 11:35 PM
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Originally posted by NickT916
This is insane, US was in debt like $400B just not to long ago (correct me if im wrong) now we passed these 2 bailouts and now US is in dept $2.5TRILLION!!!!


You are mistaking debt for deficit. The U.S. has had a debt in the trillions for decades and has been running budget deficits in the billions for a long long time as well. The real debt now is something on the order of 15 trillion.



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 12:08 AM
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20 million people?
Fabulous!
20 million people print money right from their home printer!

Everybody go get a printer and print money!
Everybody go get a printer and print money!
Everybody go get a printer and print money!



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 12:15 AM
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Hey, count me in. Where do I sign?
::signs 20 million man march petition::



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 12:16 AM
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We do as a people, need to change this mess... no more government.



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 12:17 AM
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NickT916 , sounds like you think you live in a democracy.



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 12:31 AM
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Originally posted by LiquidMirage

Originally posted by NickT916
This is insane, US was in debt like $400B just not to long ago (correct me if im wrong) now we passed these 2 bailouts and now US is in dept $2.5TRILLION!!!!


You are mistaking debt for deficit. The U.S. has had a debt in the trillions for decades and has been running budget deficits in the billions for a long long time as well. The real debt now is something on the order of 15 trillion.


Actually, it was 53 trillion before this last spending bill which will add 1.2Trillion because of interest to the Fed. Res. Bank.

The stole our Social Security money already and have to borrow more at interest to pay it out.



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 12:39 AM
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Its always hard to start something, its always hard to get the ball rolling, The GOV is going to push us hard enough to help us push the ball.... KEEP PUSHING US COMMON!!!!



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 12:41 AM
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Originally posted by j2000

Actually, it was 53 trillion before this last spending bill which will add 1.2Trillion because of interest to the Fed. Res. Bank.

The stole our Social Security money already and have to borrow more at interest to pay it out.


Now that is the mother of all bubbles.

I would like to see how the government is gonna monetize that liability. Or maybe I don't want to see that but it isn't going to be long before the SS bubble meets the day of reckoning.



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 12:44 AM
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if we the people dont rise up soon. there will be nothing left for our children and grandchildren but debt to the fed res. i say lets roll.



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 12:44 AM
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I hate to do a double post but heres my take:




Its not goverment we need to stand up to per se, Its the United States Of America corporation we need to stand up too. It is the illegal fake America run by the bankers, mobsters, and Illuminati Elites. The people have neglected there rights and laws and allowed major changes in law and government to be made which has forever pushed them into the hole they are in now. Really, the people were not fully informed of how America was and should be ran, and let it get taken over completely. There is hope though, look what the Nation Of Lakota has done, they have almost broken away from the union and are running in four states. They run each small area by themselves, the citizens. In the original America, you had the Sheriff to protect the people from corruption of government in the state and locally. He had the legally elected right to protect citizens from the Federalization of Government.

But to come to a point, America and the world was sold out when the puclic and the government allowed Corporations to be given the rights of a JANE DOE person with out any penalties, they could do want they wanted. But giving corporation that rights of humans under "slaverly rights" is what killed America and is killing the entire world through globalization. Corporations are the best tool of the New World Order.

I recommend the movie "The Corporation" which was made by some UBC Students in Canada. Great documentary, you can find it online Amazon.com or it should be in stores etc. One thing that movie makes CLEAR is that all corporations are under Federal Law to MAKE MONEY. That is there one and only obligation to the Feds. Thats why they do evil things time and again, and get away with almost everything. I mean, Blackwater is simply changing there name to XE and is now probably going to get back and keep doing alot of what they were doing before. Corporations and contracts are mankind greatest pitfal. This been said, before the first public corporations existed, I do understand that actual governments also existed as the first corporations in history.


Its the Elite bankers that are behind government, Mr.Obama and all the others. The bankers do the dirty work for the NWO and are the first puppeteer of our presidents and there regimes.

They are the ones stealing trillions of dollars and having no legal obligation to report it or to limit there stealing. They wrote the bill that gave them the right to steal Americans money with out oversight or legal recourse.

There bringing America and its economy down fast. Your dollar might soon buy you nothing, you will be throwing your money in the streets as the bible says. And then, bring in stage left, new World Bank run by the bankers (Financial Times of London, Time Magazine, etc etc) (well we already have the IMF, but the articles mention that better then I can).

Its a complicated but simple problem that faces America right now.
But it going to get alot worse, that is certain. When will the Elites be happy, probably when everyone is broke. Who knows.


[edit on 14-2-2009 by ats__fan039]



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 12:46 AM
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Actually it's higher than that. GAAP means generally accepted accounting practices


Calculations from the "2008 Financial Report of the United States Government" also show that the GAAP negative net worth of the federal government has increased to $59.3 trillion while the total federal obligations under GAAP accounting now total $65.5 trillion.

Federal Obligations Exceed World GDP
many more details in the article

I read today that the world GDP is $60 Trillion.

To put it in the words of the article quoted above:

"Social Security and Medicare must be shown as liabilities on the federal balance sheet in the year they accrue according to GAAP accounting," Williams argues. "To do otherwise is irresponsible, nothing more than an attempt to hide the painful truth from the American public. The public has a right to know just how bad off the federal government budget deficit situation really is, especially since the situation is rapidly spinning out of control. "The federal government is bankrupt," Williams told WND. "In a post-Enron world, if the federal government were a corporation such as General Motors, the president and senior Treasury officers would be in federal penitentiary."

They certainly all belong in the federal penitentiary. To think the passage of the bill today is considered a victory for the president.

[edit on 14-2-2009 by earlywatcher]



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 12:49 AM
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I like your qoute. The Fed is essentially a corporation. They just happen to be the corporation running [EDIT: Bankrupting] America.

[edit on 14-2-2009 by ats__fan039]



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 01:15 AM
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The Federal Reserve Bank is the largest Private Corp. in the world. And the largest corp. overall. The make a min. of 1 Trillion in "Profit".
And it's all tax free!

How does that burn?



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 01:22 AM
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Originally posted by NickT916
Its always hard to start something, its always hard to get the ball rolling, The GOV is going to push us hard enough to help us push the ball.... KEEP PUSHING US COMMON!!!!


It is hard. But everyone that knows anything about our country and our system, knows what has to be done.
A few, Glenn Beck, Ron Paul, etc, are brave enough now that they have said it.
I call it a "Non-violent, but prepared" approach.

The only way to get it back, is to take it back.
We can tell the Fed. to F - off and take their made-up debt and money and stuff it.
It is really that easy.
Just have to have enough people willing to stand in a crowd and say it.
Believe it.
Live It.

My wife and I have gotten to a point, that it's all that I can do.
It's always on my mind. To be free from these chains of a central bank
and the goofy bastards behind the curtain.



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 01:27 AM
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If you are ready to do something, but don't know what. There is the easiest thing in the world to screw them, especially this time of year.

Change you W-4 at work and claim 30 dependants.
Make sure you hold back enough in a safe place, not a bank, to pay the taxes at the end of next year.

If only half the people did this, they would be screwed.
No cash flow. Ooops!

Oh, by the way, this is not breaking the law, it's actually holding up to it.
It's actually an offence to not claim enough and get to big of a return.
They did this with Clinton, as they cut the Govt back enough.
So by following their laws, you screw them........

Now that's a little justice.......


[edit on 14-2-2009 by j2000]



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 01:32 AM
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To answer your question, if we're comfortable in our warm homes, we will all grab our ankles as the paramilitary police teams raid our homes and take the dinners off our families tables and the women upstairs.

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Really, anger should be organized. I would suggest aligning ourselves with the local law. I bet the local sheriff's office is as upset at the government as you are. Consider what needs to be done, it's similar to any other disaster. Make sure folk have Red Cross training, make sure everyone knows gun safety, make sure you have some legal training and maybe a lawyer on retainer. Know the Constitution inside and out. Figure out how to organize people, 'deputize' leaders across many cities. Figure out what you want to say. Be able to protect and rescue your neighbor as well as you can hit your target. Develop the skills to keep others from crossing the line, or find people who can do so. Be prepared to enforce law within your own. Beware of those who may try to hijack your group for their own purposes, or against the wrong targets. Be a good American.

Are you fully prepared? I'm not. But I'm pissed at the government, I've lost confidence in the leadership. They've lost touch with the wishes of the people, and view us as cattle.

My Armchair tax revolt:
  • My personal run on the banks, and move my money elsewhere
  • Increase withholdings (Beware California, they add 5% penalty)
  • Avoid sales tax by only buying online from out of state vendors
  • Frequent emails and voice mails to my representatives
  • Urge property owners to have their properties reassessed for reduced property taxes
  • Vote against anyone who voted for a bailout
  • Take Red Cross classes
  • Put a lawyer on retainer, one that knows constitutional law, preferably a libertarian
  • Start pinging the Sheriffs' offices for contacts of deputizable organizations
Any other ideas?


[edit on 14-2-2009 by Dbriefed]



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 02:12 AM
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Originally posted by Dbriefed
My personal run on the banks, and move my money elsewhere


If half the country did this and pulled their money out of their accounts, this would totally destroy our economic and political system.

The Fed would have to jam every bank full of printed money and thereby causing total confidence loss in the Federal Reserve Note.

I kinda like it.



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 10:23 PM
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I've already done it.
Got the rest of the family doing it over two weeks.



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