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Michelle Obama's Blatant "Bhaphomet" Front Page of Vogue

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posted on Feb, 21 2009 @ 05:20 AM
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Originally posted by MischeviousElf
reply to post by Merriman Weir
 


I have provided the evidence of its use for many thousands of years, where the modern rock connection from from and a root text that I will not post for curious eyes due to the dangers of what getting involved in that may mean for some.


Again, the actual important bit - the part that bridged history and the rock/metal scene, the part people are actually disputing, you won't post? You can understand why this does look like a cop-out and mere speculation rather than fact, can't you?


I am not being condescending but to say it is not there because people cant look themselves is condescending,


Not really, that's not condescending. That's more a case 'I'm not willing to be fobbed-off by being distracted by a potential 'wild goose chase'. To say something like "learn and grow to what that means" as if you're speaking as one who has to someone who hasn't in the manner you have, is condescending.


its like saying Electrons dont exist because you cant see them but wont go and study how to use a electron microscope,


It's nothing like. If only because I could easily find reams of information on electrons without an alleged scientist pointing in the vague direction of a library and saying 'I'd tell you where the information is specifically, but I don't want this blowing anyone's mind. This science is heavy'.


Dangers lurk in this subject miriam, I stated why I wont directly put the root text here to show current practises based on this Mudra, within the LUCIFERIAN rites of ancient origin, but the information is there for all to look into as ie made it available if people want to look further themselves.


No, seriously, I'm calling you on this. I honestly believe you're hiding behind this 'I'm doing it for the good of the readers' schtick. Your altruism doesn't even make any sense. You've already said the information is definitely out there and that you've given enough information, so what's to stop anyone - children or vulnerable adults - doing as you've said, going out there and finding it.


I wont profer this direct link in english as the karma is way too heavy and I care about the readers. I have said enough and have a heavy heart anyhow for linking satanis. Ask someone who reads Russian and the full text is their in English in pdf format and abundantly elsewhere to.

Elf.


The satanis site you've linked to that has pdf files? Well, I've already read a few of them (Satanic bible and Satanic rituals)*. Unfortunately for you, they DON'T actually prove what you seem to think they prove. They're very much the product of the 1960s and 1970s rather than anything that genuinely dates back to any period of history.

I'm not sure how familiar you are with verified 'occult' history but it's actually quite patchy. Next to no real proof of unbroken traditions and lots of evidence of 'reconstruction' and 'let's just make it up' - whether it's the Victorian ceremonial magicians like the Golden Dawn (who never really break free from a Christian perspective), or those that followed like Gardner with Wicca.

This is what's happening here. Big jumps between different things and not much in the way of connecting them. You're claiming to have proof about how it all connects up but you're not actually delivering that proof.



*No, I'm not a Satanist.




posted on Feb, 21 2009 @ 12:37 PM
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I just want to thanks the above poster for remiding people that I am not just some Satanist looking to deflect from our "true" practices but simply an avid reader of this site that knows the difference between actual history and the insipid crap being spewed as "knowledge" here.

to my good friend that has me on ignore:
Just show us what cult you were in. Show us which cults use this symbol. Show me where it dates from. Even the Satanic religion does not use this hand signal for any reason other than to walk away giggling at the fact that people like you ascribe magical powers to something you seem to think is significant based on some history that you have made no attempt at showing us.



posted on Feb, 21 2009 @ 01:09 PM
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Look Miriam and descending,

Firtsly the name given to some like Lama or reverend or rinpoche the one I sourced "Das" has NOTHING in any way to do with christianity.

The mudra is in a text and book I mentioned the Luciferian Rite.

I have posted a link for it but it is one held on a russian site, so that only the really sure look. I will not post it directly but the book text and ceremonies and "cult" as called is the actual Luciferian mass or service/mass.

It is not hard to find, read the text then tell me its just rock music and football.

IT IS IN THE LUCIFERIAN RITE which is much older than America itself.

Unless you two are actual satanists or luciferians and are trying to get me to post it please understand why I would not post such a disgusting and evil text anywhere, I am feeling sad talking about it and I am ending the discussion here, if anyone wants to read it it is easy just find that text its ALL over the net and in many libararies, there is proabably 6-10 of these actual books in every city in certain houses/lodges....

Read it tell me its not there and I will tell you the chapter and part


And the Mudra of enchantment is not a positive Mudra it is the basis of this as it goes back to baphomet and the Sumerians and Babylonians it is known as I have showed in the links by many different names even saturn.... but it always means the same thing, Dominion over others or the dark way/evil/lucifer/baphomet/ego whatever your preferred name.

Elf



posted on Feb, 21 2009 @ 01:47 PM
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This isn't a direct response to MischeviousElf - see it's pretty easy to get someone's name right, so I don't understand why they couldn't extend that courtesy too, although it does make me wonder what else has been lost in translation here - as, now they've been called on this, they say "I am ending the discussion here".

However, my points still stand. I've actually read the "disgusting and evil text(s)" however, despite what's been said here, the dots don't join-up quite as well as MischeviousElf would like. I'd suggest they read at least something like Hutton's 'Triumph of the Moon' to see how patchy all this is.

The irony of MischeviousElf's avatar hasn't gone unnoticed either.



posted on Feb, 21 2009 @ 02:00 PM
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Well Merriman I thought you would understand the fact of both the spoken and written word have a vibration and power, I never mention that name directly in word or tongue, though talking about others who follow it is a tad different, that's just from my own perspective. About calling you Miriam I apoligise it must of been your old avatar distarcting me!


So having read the text then Miriam without distracting you are admitting it's within the text as part of the said practises!

Why then mention another book, as said and you agree it's in the luciferian Rites enough said and my basic premise.

I am glad you like the avatar the world needs more open discussions about religions and beliefs, which is why I entered into this back and forth between you and descending even though I can see what you are trying to achieve. Co existing means respecting each others beliefs but with your own boundaries of self protection, wheras dominion and control and manipulation is very far away from it.


Descending as you know I said in a U2U 2 days ago that I had removed you from ignore, why Lie about this, but I suppose the great deception is rather familiar.

Kind Regards,

Elf

[edit on 21-2-2009 by MischeviousElf]



posted on Feb, 21 2009 @ 08:50 PM
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Originally posted by MischeviousElf
Look Miriam and descending,

Firtsly the name given to some like Lama or reverend or rinpoche the one I sourced "Das" has NOTHING in any way to do with christianity.

The mudra is in a text and book I mentioned the Luciferian Rite.

I have posted a link for it but it is one held on a russian site, so that only the really sure look. I will not post it directly but the book text and ceremonies and "cult" as called is the actual Luciferian mass or service/mass.

blah blah blah

Elf


So here is your premise. The NWO, or the PTB, or The Obamas, all secretly belong to some arcane cult that does not exist outside some old russian book you cannot translate, read, or share with us at all? That really make sense to you? Michelle is signaling to whom exactly that she is still in the club that does not exist?



posted on Feb, 21 2009 @ 08:52 PM
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Originally posted by MischeviousElf
Look Miriam and descending,

Firtsly the name given to some like Lama or reverend or rinpoche the one I sourced "Das" has NOTHING in any way to do with christianity.

The mudra is in a text and book I mentioned the Luciferian Rite.

I have posted a link for it but it is one held on a russian site, so that only the really sure look. I will not post it directly but the book text and ceremonies and "cult" as called is the actual Luciferian mass or service/mass.

blah blah blah

Elf


So here is your premise. The NWO, or the PTB, or The Obamas, all secretly belong to some arcane cult that does not exist outside some old russian book you cannot translate, read, or share with us at all? That really make sense to you? Michelle is signaling to whom exactly that she is still in the club that does not exist?



posted on Mar, 8 2009 @ 05:44 AM
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Steve Ditko, the still living original artist co-creator of Spider-man and Dr. Strange always drew characters making fists with the index and baby finger pointing out.

There is some hidden meaning there.


Mike F



posted on Mar, 8 2009 @ 07:24 AM
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Yup, it’s chocked full of occultic symbolism and subliminal suggestions. The disinfo crew is certainly all over this one!
Believe ME; I'm good looking.


S&F, I hadn’t seen this. THX.



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 11:03 PM
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Originally posted by YouAreDreaming
Her inner fingers are not closed enough to make the sign, that could just be how she relaxes her hand.

Not to be mean, but isn't Vogue front cover for beautiful women?


They put Paris Hilton on it, which almost made me cancel my subscription, so anyone can be on it seems now.



posted on Apr, 2 2009 @ 04:09 AM
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Oh come on people, isn’t it obvious that all of the hand signs being made by people in positions of power or characters in the media are coincidence? Yea, they are known to be of occult origin but shirly it’s coincidence, right? They’re all just longhorn fans, or Dio fans, or something.

There couldn’t possibly be any planning involved behind it’s regular appearance, people just don’t do that sort of thing.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 07:47 AM
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given all the speculation of the Illuminati sign ,it beggars belief that people in power on displaying this sign,i think they are smart enough to KNOW that the symbol has occult reference's yet it is increasing in popularity among the elite ..now we all know that the swastika was taken from Hinduism, Buddhism and turned in to a symbol of hate by the National Socialist German Worker’s Party ,the same is happening with this occult symbol and i find it shocking that at the very least they have not been asked about why they keep displaying this very offensive symbol..



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 08:03 AM
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