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Razimus/Titor

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posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 06:21 PM
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Razimus says he can debunk the Titor hoax, but maybe it was him really? A few people have picked up on the first image I will present you, but the next few are the results of a little bit of google searching. I spent a while reading his old posts on boards like montaukproject, when he say's he has proof from 1999 that it was him, I thought that might be the board he posted it on, I found the archives but couldn't find anything.

A couple of things interest me about his debunking. He says 88 fake posters, as an homage to back to the future. Razimus himself is a huge bttf fan from the look of it, he has all the props, and has a site on it. So I think either he's projecting his ideas onto the hoaxer, or he's describing himself.

At this website;

www.governmentsecrets.com...

he says he listened to art bell time traveller line. During the debunking he mentioned this of the hoaxers. Again, projection, or he knows that's how they got inspired because he is the hoaxer?

Erm... what?


Why do people think he is Titor?


Interesting changes to his youtube channel.

Before:

After:


Before:

After:


74.125.77.132...:x3Ih5k6BuvoJ:www.youtube.com/user/Razimus+razimus+bttf+titor&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1

74.125.77.132...:x3Ih5k6BuvoJ:www.youtube.com/user/Razimus+razimus+bttf+titor&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1

74.125.77.132...:H6HSPrxqZD8J:www.youtube.com/razimus+razimus+bttf+titor&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2

74.125.77.132...:H6HSPrxqZD8J:www.youtube.com/razimus+razimus+bttf+titor&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2

www.bttf.com...

www.bttf.com...

www.youtube.com...

www.youtube.com...

Of course, like Razimus' debunking, this doesn't prove anything, but I do think he should be a prime suspect. After all, he even confessed at the bttf forum.




posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 06:33 PM
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Wow, things are getting kind of schizoid now. Why would somebody admit to being Titor and then accuse somebody else of being Titor?



posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 06:45 PM
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Actually, this might just mean that John Titor cloned Razimus and uses the body.
Unless...the OP here on this thread IS John Titor



posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 06:51 PM
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Wow, things are getting kind of schizoid now. Why would somebody admit to being Titor and then accuse somebody else of being Titor?


Perhaps they are just an internet troll, or that type of personality? They want to have fun and cause a little trouble, get some attention, doesn't matter to them if they change stories, they may just want to milk it for all it's worth.

Titor has been drying up a bit lately, maybe people thought it needed a boost, no publicity is bad publicity is what they say, so I hear.



posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 06:53 PM
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Originally posted by aleon1018
Actually, this might just mean that John Titor cloned Razimus and uses the body.
Unless...the OP here on this thread IS John Titor


I'm not, but then you shouldn't really believe me without proof, just like anything



posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 07:09 PM
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Flagged and starred.

These government spooks need to be banished, before they lull us all into submission.

Deny government disinfo agents.


[edit on 13-2-2009 by doctordoom]



posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 07:13 PM
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Originally posted by doctordoom
Flagged and starred.

These government spooks need to be banished, before they lull us all into submission.

Deny government disinfo agents.


[edit on 13-2-2009 by doctordoom]


This is really bothering me, but how can we tell who is who? I have a hard enough time keeping up here without going to other forums all over the net to sleuth people out.



posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 07:19 PM
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Originally posted by groingrinder

Originally posted by doctordoom
Flagged and starred.

These government spooks need to be banished, before they lull us all into submission.

Deny government disinfo agents.


[edit on 13-2-2009 by doctordoom]


This is really bothering me, but how can we tell who is who? I have a hard enough time keeping up here without going to other forums all over the net to sleuth people out.


They'll be the ones that always have a debunk for every conspiracy, even though that goes against the very nature of this website.
They also usually have Masonic/Illuminati symbolism in their avatar and signature.



posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 07:24 PM
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Aww, LLM isn't disinfo, how dare you *fist shaking* well, i dunno, but he does like to debunk. come to think of it, most the masons on here are all about debunk. Weird or conspiracy? BTW, im John Titor.



posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 07:25 PM
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I don't think you should reject people just because they like to debunk, as long as what they are debunking is most likely bunk, and they bring better evidence than those making the claims.

I guess you could be a little suspicious of those who insist they have debunked something when they just provide cicumstantial evidence and logical fallacies.

I personally don't think the gov would waste time debunking Titor, it hasn't had a very big penetration outside of conspiracy circles, and the number of 'true believers' seems to be quite low.



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 08:24 AM
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Wow... the plot thickens!

I guess we'll give Raz the right of reply. It's easy to take things out of context.

IRM



posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 12:50 AM
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It’s really annoying because everyone involved seems to either be part of Team Titor or is just an attention whore or someone seeking to profit from the Titor story. They’re all getting more pathetic as the years go by; continuing to keep secrets from us to draw attention to the story, shining the spotlight on them again for a brief moment.

I’m not sure if Razimus deserves this criticism, let’s give him a chance to defend himself. However after years of giving anomalies associates (creators, staff, former staff, and certain members) the “benefit of doubt” I’m calling bull**** on all of their attention seeking, investment tactics. If they have any so-called “secrets” about Titor I say WHO CARES. I’m no longer giving this pathetic bunch anymore attention, it’s a complete waste of our time. I’ll only acknowledge them when they put this silly game to rest and just lay it all out there on the table.


[edit on 17-2-2009 by rapinbatsisaltherage]



posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 01:24 AM
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Well said rapinbats!

I couldn't have put it any better myself. The onus is completely on them IMHO. I'm sure they were in possession of IP addresses etc that could have helped them solve the issue of who Titor is a long time ago - but with Titor being such a drawcard for their forum, even today, I would suggest that is exactly the incentive for them not to expose Titor.

It's a matter of simple economics really.

IRM



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 06:02 AM
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Just noticed this thread, well I say I've been called titor at least a dozen times but now it's more now, sorry I'm not an attention whore, I just tried different tactics over the years, claiming to be titor never worked, but I am
positive the author behind the fictional character was inspired by Art Bell's time-travel caller line, I've been listening to Art Bell since 1989... or 1990, around there... the first show I ever heard was Hoagland talking about alien structures on the moon... he named off slides, I was so gullible at the time that I wrote down the nasa slide numbers and thought that was actually important information, but now I know Hoagland sees alien structures in the clouds, anyway that background is just to say after listening to the show from 1990 to 1997 I can say I can't remember a single time Art having a time-traveler caller line, and if he did it was very rare, around 1998 Art came up with the idea to start the time-travel caller line as a regular feature in the show.... the calls ranged from 12 yr old girls repeating the BS their parents whispered in their ear to lunatics that claimed the sun was going to explode in 2 days, but this line prompted callers to up the ante, they got better and better everytime Art opened that line... Titor supposedly faxed Art Bell, or a Titor-like guy did anyway and claimed Y2K would be a major disaster, I can't even remember if the faxer used the name Titor.... that was in 1998 I remember Art reading off the faxes and they were total bs... but maybe the story jived with Titors..... so if it was him he had 3 years to perfect his story which he did and had a short window to publish his hoax on Art Bell's forum before it went down, so he had 3 years to draw those diagrams, 3 years to build the prop, take the photos... when Art started reading his stuff the story took off...

I happened to be in Arizona when Titor was posting, but I didn't frequent the Art bell website enough to even notice there was a forum, I listened to the show but didn't surf the web as much.

I have always been interested in time travel... I'm a major skeptic but some paranormal things have happened to me in relation to time. I once saw a backhoe, one of those caterpillar digging machines, I once saw one while looking out a window, I casually watched it as it picked up dirt and dropped it in a pile, I even saw the guy inside working the machine, in mid-drop of a pile of dirt, and I swear I didn't even blink, this scene changed from a new machine to an older machine, there was no longer a guy inside, the backhoe was a bit dirtier, and no pile of dirt existed, but a hole was still there, so I believe if it was some type of time-warp, I saw only a few days or weeks into the past. It looked like the type of dirt that would build up over only a few days with rain and working. This event isn't all.... when my parents were younger they were in downtown sacramento I believe, and they saw an old chinese resturant while in the car, they saw the waiters serving people and people eating inside, a lit up typical chinese resturant, when they parked and got out the resturant was abandoned, borded up and obviously closed down for many years. So maybe this type of visual time-warp runs in the family. Of course these statements might be taken out of context, but neither me or my parents have ever taken illegal drugs, nor were we drunk on anything.

In 1999 I did post on the montaukproject.com forums though... ok maybe it was 2000, anyway if you search in there enough you can find the IP I used in 2001.

web.archive.org...*/www.montaukproject.com...

web.archive.org...

I posted as both Razimus and Raz.

I really do consider it a great possibility that Titor did post on that forum,
it was the right time... unless he was unfamilliar with the montauk story, I have all of the IP addressed from that forum archived in my personal files,
I have looked at them but haven't found anything, I can look again I suppose, I was more focusing on the handles, didn't see any similar or suspicious names, but I can post this in the future if it can help anyone possibly find JT. Now that I look at it, that forum and entire site went down before 2001, maybe they wanted to focus all their attention on something else, the webmaster for that site was/is Shelly Palmer, he's a guy that makes videos now and is very public. www.shellypalmermedia.com...

He kinda looks like the 'Steve' in the 'dimensional traveler' video, but who doesn't?

An update with the John Titor drama I'm facing currently can be seen here:

hoaxhunter.blogspot.com...

If I were Titor, why would I allow myself to be threatened with lawsuits among other things, I'd have Haber all over them (if I were JT which I'm not), but I do live next to a lawyer, he recently had the cops told on him because he dumped his tree clippings in the public wash, which is illegal, claiming you are a time traveler is not illegal, and claiming someone may or may not be that guy is also not illegal.

I am seriously happy that I'm even considered a suspect behind the John Titor hoax, I will gladly call myself a hoaxer of this hoax which was not a crime, the authors behind John Titor broke no laws and their actions were never illegal, I seek only to find him out, out of pure curiosity.

Also if I were Titor my predictions would be dead wrong most of the time... but in the prediction call in line in 1999, I called up Art, and I predicted that California would lose power, I was prediction #13 or #14 I believe, anyway California did lose power and a year later Instead of the common bonk Art gave me a a ding ding ding... so suck on that Titor.


[edit on 20-2-2009 by Razimus]



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