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Can someone try this experiment?

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posted on Feb, 18 2009 @ 04:29 PM
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Since I seem to be posting various ideas on how to get more energy out than goes in, I'll add one more to the list. I've always been fascinated by gears as a way to use leverage. As a kid I had an electric car racing set and I was fascinated that the tiny electric motors in the cars, ran very fast but could be stopped dead if you grabbed the rotating part with your fingers. In other words high speed but low torque. I also know that electric generators are hard to turn by hand due to the back emf that generators typically produce. Generators don't need high speeds but they do need high torque. So...here is another idea that I wish I had the materials and technical skills to try out.

A small electric motor is attached to a gear which is connected to another gear in such a way that the speed of rotation is reduced. The 2nd gear (and maybe even a 3rd gear if that's necessary) is directly connected to a larger electric generator. These interconnected gears will (I think) convert high speed/low torque into low speed/high torque which could be enough to turn the larger generator enough so that it produces more electricity than what the small motor uses for a net overall gain.

That's what I'm wondering if it's possible.




posted on Feb, 18 2009 @ 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by Studenofhistory
Since I seem to be posting various ideas on how to get more energy out than goes in, I'll add one more to the list. I've always been fascinated by gears as a way to use leverage. As a kid I had an electric car racing set and I was fascinated that the tiny electric motors in the cars, ran very fast but could be stopped dead if you grabbed the rotating part with your fingers. In other words high speed but low torque. I also know that electric generators are hard to turn by hand due to the back emf that generators typically produce. Generators don't need high speeds but they do need high torque. So...here is another idea that I wish I had the materials and technical skills to try out.

A small electric motor is attached to a gear which is connected to another gear in such a way that the speed of rotation is reduced. The 2nd gear (and maybe even a 3rd gear if that's necessary) is directly connected to a larger electric generator. These interconnected gears will (I think) convert high speed/low torque into low speed/high torque which could be enough to turn the larger generator enough so that it produces more electricity than what the small motor uses for a net overall gain.

That's what I'm wondering if it's possible.



You alledge yourself as "Studenofhistory".
I do not know how good your history is but your physics are.... absent.
You better make your self a student of physics before having such interests as the above.

SOrry to dissapoint you but you are way off you head and all of your ideas are wrong. FACT.
iF you are interested on the subject of energy educate yourself and get a grasp of at least basic common knowledge


friendly !



posted on Feb, 18 2009 @ 08:23 PM
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Radiation is free.
And in many cases, although not proven or announced to the world
and highly speculated, has a non Relativistic energy source.

Before going into the source may I point out the isotope radiation
has plus (alpha) and minus (beta) charge generation.
These can be made to charge a battery or some energy pump
for storage.
Some radiation can be induced.
Elecrical engineering wise this is a current source and not a voltage
source.

Excess alpha can become Helium which can be energized
repeatedly for an energy source as in the Papp engine.

Of course so far we have noted dangerous and explosive processes
for energy and perhaps non Relativistic over unity.

Air can be compressed for energy storage and even chilled to
liquid that is suspected to have re generative and non Relativistic
properties.

Atomic Gas light won't wear out, just the mechanism that contains
and makes it light. Same goes for the engine that runs on Helium
which will last longer than the engine.

This is some of the free energy talk you find on the net.



posted on Feb, 18 2009 @ 09:08 PM
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About coils:

In a standard circuit analysis, current flows out of the plus terminal
of the battery.

The circuit items. coils and resistors, will reduce the voltage and
have a plus as the current enters.

When a switch interrupts the circuit, the current continues in the
same direction as the coil voltage nearly instantaneously changes
direction to push out the current which dissipates in a spark or
air current. The voltage is necessarily high to breakdown the air.

To me that is the basic coil response which I may have missed
in the discussion so far but may have had different words if not
different understanding.

In AC, the coil stores energy, which the net refers to radient energy
if I understand them right, proportional to the frequency.
The frequency times inductance divided by the coil resistance is
apparently the magnifying factor Tesla talks about.

At high frequencies you get radio or waves being pushed out into
the air medium, which do not come back into the circuit and
continue pulsed off.

At some point Tesla and the scientists in his time recognized what
is called electrostatic flow or a flow of electricity from one wire
circuits.



posted on Mar, 5 2009 @ 11:13 PM
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The metal that the coil is made out of does not matter. Copper has less resistance so it won't get as hot but that's it. The material of the solenoid that it is wrapped around doesn't matter either, but an iron (ferromagnetic) bar will conduct the magnetic field the farthest away (you can have a long bar and pick up stuff with it.) It can also be made to be permanently magnetic.



Originally posted by Studenofhistory
That's what I'm wondering if it's possible.

No that won't work. If you want something to think about to occupy yourself, think of a single atom, then think of them together, and magnetism.

If you take a magnet, and stick it to something, you get free energy. The magnet is just as magnetic as it was before, it didn't lose any energy (and it won't ever unless you exceed the demagnetisation limit), even after it did work (when you stuck it to something). But now you have to pull it away again. What a shame.



posted on Mar, 5 2009 @ 11:50 PM
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I've always been a dreamer when it comes to magnets and their potential use. It seems like such a simple untapped resource of energy. There was a video I watched of someone describing a way that Egyptians may have had batteries. Basically the battery was a clay jar, a copper tube, a steal rod. The copper tube was inserted into the clay jar, and the steel rod inserted down into the middle of the copper tube. The jar was filled with vinager and sealed at the top. This produced about 4 volts of energy off of vinager. It couldn't cost you more than $30 to try it.

But magnets have so much potential.



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 12:51 AM
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Originally posted by ExPostFacto
I've always been a dreamer when it comes to magnets and their potential use. It seems like such a simple untapped resource of energy.


If you think it's untapped, I highly suggest you read into how a dynamo works, or pretty much any mechanical-electrical generator. They all use magnetic principles to generate electricity.

But a stationary magnet next to a stationary coil wont give you energy... it will however increase impedance if used correctly, but that's no good to you unless you're trying to resist electricity.


Fluctuations/movement is necessary to generate electricity in a mechanical-electrical generator.

Which is exactly what happens in generators anyways.

Magnetism in electrical generation is far from untapped. In fact, if it weren't for magnetism used in electrical generation the ONLY way to get your electricity would be chemically.



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 01:00 AM
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A stationary wire wrapped coil can produce a current if a magnet happens to sweep across the windings. The moving magnetic field will induce a small current through the windings of the coil.



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