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Boy, 13, becomes father

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posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by Mike_A

Originally posted by Hellish-D

I don't think anyone mentioned ethnicity. I mentioned culture, but you should know the difference. If not, then take a look, it's in a book.


You did.


Ethnocentrism is an ugly little monster


And don't be condescending it makes you come off as a dick.


I'd suggest looking for more than one source.
Ethnocentrism is the tendency to look at the world primarily from the perspective of one's own culture. Ethnocentrism often entails the belief that one's own race or ethnic group is the most important and/or that some or all aspects of its culture are superior to those of other groups. ...



Also you gave one example, but said many. I don't count that as many.


I also used the native people of Papua New Guinea prior to colonization as an example. These are just off of the top of my head. If you want me to do your homework for you, you're gonna have to find another sucker.


Edit - Just to clarify the point was about the ability of a 13 year old to care for a child, and in most societies where children of this age do have kids they don't raise them alone.


It takes a village. This is true of most any culture, including your own.


Edit (again) - Forgot to add, I've been doing my homework and all I can find on the !kung suggests that the average age of mothers at first child birth is 19; typically with older men. Though marriage and sexual intercourse can begin much earlier.


I suggest you look harder. Margorie Shostak wrote a comprehensive book on the subject called Nisa: The Life and Words of a !Kung woman.

It's an interesting read, but the font is small and it has a lot of big words. It might not be to your taste.




posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 08:39 PM
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Originally posted by Hellish-D

Ethnocentrism often entails the belief that one's own race or ethnic group


My bold.


If you want me to do your homework for you, you're gonna have to find another sucker.


No I want you to back up your statement with examples, if you can claim the fact off the top of your head then surely you can give some examples off the top of your head.


I suggest you look harder. Margorie Shostak


I got it from Shostak and Konner smartarse. Why not grow up instead of talking down to everyone?



posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 08:56 PM
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What do you expect? Any of you watch "Secret Life of an American Teenager" or some title like that? Young girls are DramaQueens. The idea will appeal to them for the attention. We're letting Hollywood glorify teenage pregnancies.




posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 09:44 PM
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I live in a 3rd world country. Teen pregnancies happen all the time here though I never heard of a 13 year old becoming a parent (though I think I've heard stories on TV of 14 year olds having kids.) 14 seems so mature compared to 13.


Oh, and as the Western world becomes poorer expect more things like this to happen.

[edit on 2/13/2009 by eldard]



posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 10:02 PM
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Well, the youngest female to give birth was in Peru, and she was 11.
In some cultures it is perfectly acceptable for a female to become pregnant, if she is capable of becoming pregnant. That's natures way. Sometimes females are earmarked for marraige - when they start their period. This is usually to a male who has means of keeping her and the child in comfort.
It might seem weird to us, as we've have grown up with mores that dictate 16/18 is ripe. A lot of other people in the world have grown up with a completely different set of morals.
I mean, it could be worse - at least he didn't get his teacher pregnant.



posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 10:09 PM
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This boy who was 12 yrs old at the time of conception, apparently told his father that this was the first time he'd ever had sex, but I am not so sure if it was a first for the girl who says she has been on birth control pills but accidentally missed taking one. We were all young once and curious...how many of you out there were just lucky not to end up being a parent before you graduated from high school. Yes 12 is quite young, but from what I hear from my own teenager, alot of kids start experimenting at 12 or 13 these days. Every movie, commercial, tv show and even anime shows aimed at young kids, have sexual undertones and some are blatantly sexual. It's up to the parents to have a close enough relationship with their kids that they feel comfortable talking about sex and the consequences, so if these parents failed in their duties, I'm sure they'll do their best to rectify that situation and help raise their grandchild with a better knowledge of safe sex or abstinence.



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 12:55 AM
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In the past at 14 you were an adult and you could have children or go to war.



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 01:01 AM
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whats so crazy about this?

Historical British Law says you are legally allowed to marry at 13 or 14. or more precisely, when they hit puberty.

That happened all the time in history, young people marrying and having kids. But nowadays, yeah, I guess 13 is quite young to be married or have a kid, thats for sure. People and kids arent as mature and capable now as they were back then.

Im just annoyed when certain people and groups pressure young people in to avoiding and restricting relationships when they have been allowed to under law at a young age for many years. If they are mature and capable, they should be allowed to, under law of course.

I mean relationships are all about youth, length, love. Who wants to wait until there old and "broken down" until they have a life?. Sorry, My crazy rant.



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 01:03 AM
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I know that in today's cultures this would be appalling to witness. But we have to remember, we came from a time where girls as old as twelve were already married and having children. I agree, that possibly, the preteens might not be ready to support the child, and maybe their decision for sexual encounters at their age may have been clouded. In this, I'm of mixed opinion. As long as the child is brought up with love, that's all that matters.



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 01:15 AM
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Originally posted by verylowfrequency
I don't know why you're so angry. Just because it doesn't fit into our cultural values or mores.

I'm certain it happens in many "less civilized" or poorer societies on our planet, but we just don't hear about it.


Less civilized and poorer societies are biased towards more family orientated values. They also look after their elderly rather than fob them off into a home.

When it happens in our societies, it leads to a very fragmented situation because of the very things you stated in your last sentence about education and financial stability.

Children in Less civilized and poorer societies are capable adults far earlier than in ours.



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 01:20 AM
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Originally posted by StevenDye
If I had a child who was 13, and he got a girl pregnant...and told me he didn't want it aborted....

I would be angry that he was stupid enough not to use protection, and that is it. 13....urge after urge after urge....I wouldn;t be at all surprised that he gave in to those urges and had sex.

Not having an abortion, that would actually make me proud. Abortion is wrong for all but the most extreeme cases, and the fact that they didn't have an abortion is in my eyes a good thing. EVEN if the child ended up being taken away, it is better than it not being born at all.


So yes, there were mistakes...but I don't think the parents can be blamed for them.


Damn, when I was 13 I was still playing with my sharp mz-700. And the porn on BBS's was not that good, believe me.

All my gf at the time and I did was snog and grope.

Somewhere something has changed, that's for sure...

Also, I agree with you about abortion... but that topic is hotter than 72 WTC conspiracy threads rolled into one and set on fire... I avoid it at all costs.



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 01:39 AM
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Originally posted by alyosha1981
On topic- the kids of the kids are doomed unless the kids parents get involved and stay involved. I haope the parents of the kids are not like "I't's bedtime" and the boy's like what? you can't talk to me like that I'm a man now!


Yeah maybe with round two they will do it a little different. Round one wasn't really what they were expecting huh?



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by Mike_A

Originally posted by Hellish-D

Ethnocentrism often entails the belief that one's own race or ethnic group


My bold.


I see you disregard the word often, but that's okay, we'll move past that. Ethnocentrism's main focus is on culture. The word originated when specific cultures most often comprised one ethnic group. As cultures evolved, so did the meaning of the word, but we're nitpicking here.



No I want you to back up your statement with examples, if you can claim the fact off the top of your head then surely you can give some examples off the top of your head.


I did....



I suggest you look harder. Margorie Shostak


I got it from Shostak and Konner smartarse. Why not grow up instead of talking down to everyone?


If you used Shostak as a source, then I assume you read the book, rather than googling and skimming the topic. And since you read the book, lets discuss the traditions of the first marriage. As Shostak explains, the first marriage often takes place years before the the girl begins menstruating, although intercourse doesn't occur until the girl begins menstruation.

Recent observations are that the average age of menstruation for the !Kung women is around 15 or 16, but in previous generations that age was much younger, approximately 12-14.

Some theories surrounding the delay in menstruation involve the colonization of tribal land by Europeans and African governments, which results in decreased food supplies and hunting grounds. Less food equals delayed menstruation.

The point is that it is not age that determines marriage and procreation, but physical ability. And again, judging another culture by your own is ethnocentric and culturally chauvinistic.


[edit on 14-2-2009 by Hellish-D]

[edit on 14-2-2009 by Hellish-D]



posted on Feb, 14 2009 @ 12:52 PM
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Does ethnocentric refer to ethnicity or not? If you were disregarding ethnicity you should have been more specific. But this is just a misunderstanding, no biggie.


As for the !Kung, Shostak still says that the average age of mothers at first childbirth is 19. The age that marriage and sexual intercourse occur are irrelevant, although even with menstruation occurring around 12 - 14 Shostak does point out that childbirth does not usually occur until later. So still childbirth would be unusual before 15.

But this is beside the point which was the ability of a 13 year old to look after a child, not the ability of a social group to look after a child fathered by a 13 year old. That ability is not comparable to an adult which is recognized by the majority of cultures around the world; a few (it was the “many” part of your statement I dispute) may buck this trend.


As for being ethnocentric and chauvinistic or judging other cultures, please re read my second post. And again, stop being such a condescending so and so.



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 05:14 PM
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Society went downhill ever since it got liberalized, so all you can do now is prepare for the onslaught that will generate consequences challenging our ethics. at least thats what she said



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 10:45 AM
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The original article seems to have been lost in a bit of banter between people but just as an update, this has had yet more coverage in the papers which means mo' money for these degenerates

The Sun has published today that the 13 year old might not even be the father, theres also pictures of 2 other young scrots who are seemingly proud that the baby could be theirs aswell. Losers



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 11:22 AM
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^^ theres local talk that it could even be more than that , can`t remember which paper but one of them reported it could be up to 1 of 8



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by ItsallCrazy
The original article seems to have been lost in a bit of banter between people but just as an update, this has had yet more coverage in the papers which means mo' money for these degenerates

The Sun has published today that the 13 year old might not even be the father, theres also pictures of 2 other young scrots who are seemingly proud that the baby could be theirs aswell. Losers


ah, everyone had a ride then.
so much for the people that were claiming that love knows no age and that they are mature enough to raise a child. it wouldnt surprise me, if they were proud, they clearly know nothing of life. maybe religion should be taught in schools since learning math doesnt really help them think about their lives.



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 11:33 AM
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I don't think anyone said that these two were mature enough to raise a child.



posted on Feb, 16 2009 @ 11:38 AM
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www.express.co.uk...


THE scandal surrounding the 13-year-old father took a new twist yesterday with claims his teenage girlfriend was sleeping with up to eight other boys at the time she fell pregnant



so she`s the local bike then......

[edit on 16/2/09 by Harlequin]



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