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In recent years, I’ve seen a huge push in our society to stand firm on one’s beliefs and consider everyone who believes differently to be wrong, bad and even evil. You’re either with us or against us. I have resisted the temptation to buy into this way of thinking.
That’s all this is about. We disagree - and it doesn’t seem that you can accept that simple truth, so you load up accusations of cults and worship, chants and being asleep. When all that’s going on is that we disagree. I can accept that. Can you?
Originally posted by TheRandom1
I would love to believe that Obama is going to save our country and make it better, but I see things that it seems a lot of people can't see.
You say that you are skeptical when it comes to conspiracy theories, but it seems like you defend whatever this guy says or does, or make an excuse,
you see that is part of the us verses them mentality
that is not good, we are all human beings, all equal, but for some reason people here in the states are part of what I like to call "The America Religion", where they think that America is the best place, that there is no better country, that everything it does is good and true, much like how people view God, well, people who take sides politically (such as the R's And D's) think that they are right and they will fight and make excuses for that belief, now I don't subscribe to any and all conspiracy theories that come about in politics (such as I don't believe Obama is the AntiChrist, but if he calls down fire from heaven, I'm getting outta here lol), but there are some things that I do believe because I see and UNDERSTAND the proof that they offer because of my own personal experience with what is being proposed.
I see Obama in the same way I see Bush, they're both government mascots supporting the same old same old that has been going on forever, even the sacred Regan lol,
however Obama is far more, manipulative, than Bush.
Originally posted by TheRandom1
I posted the link about his confirmed membership in the CFR in my original post, you may have missed it so here it is again:
I see things that it seems a lot of people can't see.
You say that you are skeptical when it comes to conspiracy theories, but it seems like you defend whatever this guy says or does,
but there are some things that I do believe because I see and UNDERSTAND the proof that they offer because of my own personal experience with what is being proposed.
Also, when Kissinger said NWO, he meant exactly what it's meant ever since it's had it's meaning, he means one world government, everyone is aware of the phrase and it's meaning, Bush has said it too, as well as other presidents, it means only one thing, One World Government.
I see things,
I'm not a republican, I'm not a democrat
I'm a human who sees things going on that many refuse to see.
(bald champion I believe was there name) talking about how they make there children say prayers to Obama,
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Look, as long as you think all Obama supporters are alike, then you're as prejudiced as someone who thinks all black people are alike. Maybe you should open your eyes a little wider and realize that there really are people out there who are intelligent and articulate and who have researched Obama and his policies and they decided to support him because they like him.
I'm not asking you to give up your conspiracies about Obama. But you might want to stop looking down your nose at his supporters thinking they're all just stupid and can't "see things" like you can. Just a suggestion. Because I can see things just fine.
[edit on 15-2-2009 by Benevolent Heretic]
No, I didn't miss it. I know he's listed as a member. But what he said is that he didn't know if he was an official member or not. It's possible that he didn't know. It's also possible that he lied. Either way, it doesn't matter to me that he's a member and I'm not surprised if a politician lied. Are you? I tend to think he really didn't know because it's something that could be easily checked, especially by the guy who asked a question about it.
I get that you see things the way you see them. That's ok by me.
I see things the way I see them. Is it ok by you?
I'm sorry, but you sound like you're seeing the world through a paper towel tube. It may mean only one thing to you, but the rest of the planet thinks something different.
Neither am I. I've never belonged to a political party in my 51 years.
Originally posted by TheRandom1
Hold on, how did racism come into this?
2 a (1): preconceived judgment or opinion (2): an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge
if you support a president that does not know if he's part of a certain organization or not, then don't you think that person is not qualified to be president,
I really truely believe that the only reason why you support Obama is because he's a democrat and he keeps shouting, his little empty words "Hope", "Change" and "Yes We Can".
Then what party have you voted for in the past 52 years, Republican? Democrat? I highly doubt you see party lines the way I do.
Originally posted by southern_Guardian
The "you either with us or against us" mentality is little more than trolling.
We're in a financial crises which in my opinion goes beyond simple "tax cuts" and we have president that is barely a month into his term, and the last administration swept under the rug by you fellas in the name of partisanship. I hardly think the OP has any care in the world for the real issues at hand.
No, there is skeptism when somebody comes up with his or her conspiracy that offers little to no evidence, is very one sided and is personally motivated.
Its when the minute somebody questions your motives, or the fact the conspiracy offers no structure behind it, you get all defensive and start accusing that individual exactly behind what your doing.
This is a conspiracy website, true, but that doesnt mean your outward theories wont be met without question.
What are you and the others on this website doing now? When somebody disagrees with your conspiracies that offer little evidence and are personally and politically motivated, you refer to them as "sheeple" or "messiah followers". You folks go so far as to label every single supporter as having no reason to support a belief opposing to yours. When will this hypocrisy end?
The issue of the "us them" mentality goes beyond the Ds and the Rs, infact I think that attitude is more worse when looking at some in the conspiracy community. We have folks generalizing and labelling everybody in the same batch because they dont believe theres an NWO, or that all government is bad but the great Ron Paul. This mentality should not be restricted to liberals or conservatives. That kind of mentality is actually verymuch evident in the individuals who post these conspiracies without any objectivity to them. Such mentality should not be allowed to flourish, anywhere.
The nation is split, and the elections showed this clearly. Obama only got around 7% or so to win the presidency... the 2000 elections were more so. The thing is, we are at an history changing crises where it is most favourable for ideologies to clash, and thats exactly whats happening. I bet you if McCain, or Clinton, or even Paul himself were elected, there would be this split down the middle. Now is not the time and place to put partisanship or personal ideological beliefs before the good of the country. We are all going to have buckle up and compromise somewhere if we are to get out of this mess.
Over the years Iv learned to give the presidents their term before I start mapping out their administration. Folks are jumping the gun because they never liked man from the beginning and obviously have their shoes firmly in the ground of their ideology. In addition the past 8years made many of us assume "all of them must be the same if that one lied" and that simply isnt true.
Its only been afew months since the elections, and emotions are still high. It is time though we start thinking a little more objectively.
No. Knowing whether or not one is a member of something is not a qualification for the presidency.
I believe you pre-judge Obama supporters. The rest of your post shows it.
And you say you're not prejudiced? OK. On what do you base the above judgment, then? If you're not prejudiced against Obama supporters, then what are the grounds for that judgment? What knowledge do you have about me that makes you believe the above judgment?
I have voted Republican. Democrat, Independent and Libertarian. And I think I even voted Green one time. I don't vote for a party, I vote for the person. And not voting is nothing to brag about in my opinion.
Originally posted by TheRandom1
Strawman argument, come on, you got to be kidding me, it's not a matter of whether it qualifies him or not, I worded that badly,
"Don't you think that person is not fit to be president?",
I guess doing crack makes you memory a little foggy, that seems to be a problem both presidents have had.
You have made it clear that you want someone who is so incompetent that they don't know if they are a member of a certain group or not, especially if it's so easy to find out, lol, thanks for the laugh BH, you are proving to me more and more what you are and what you think.
In my first post, I said I wouldn't "argue" with you... And since you've decided to get personal instead of sticking with the subject, I will bow out and you can find someone else to "argue" with. I'm just not into it.
I can accept that. Can you?