Putin Warns US About Socialism

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Russian Prime Minister Vladamir Putin has said the US should take a lesson from the pages of Russian history and not exercise “excessive intervention in economic activity and blind faith in the state’s omnipotence”. “In the 20th century, the Soviet Union made the state’s role absolute,” Putin said during a speech at the opening ceremony of the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. “In the long run, this made the Soviet economy totally uncompetitive. This lesson cost us dearly. I am sure nobody wants to see it repeated.” Sounding more like Barry Goldwater than the former head of the KGB, Putin said, “Nor should we turn a blind eye to the fact that the spirit of free enterprise, including the principle of personal responsibility of businesspeople, investors, and shareholders for their decisions, is being eroded in the last few months. There is no reason to believe that we can achieve better results by shifting responsibility onto the state.” Putin also cautioned the US against using military Keynesianism to lift its economy out of recession, saying, “in the longer run, militarization won’t solve the problem but will rather quell it temporarily. What it will do is squeeze huge financial and other resources from the economy instead of finding better and wiser uses for them.” Putin’s comments come in sharp contrast to Russia’s own military buildup and expansion. Putin also echoed the words of conservative maverick Ron Paul when he said, “we must assess the real situation and write off all hopeless debts and ‘bad’ assets. True, this will be an extremely painful and unpleasant process. Far from everyone can accept such measures, fearing for their capitalization, bonuses, or reputation. However, we would ‘conserve’ and prolong the crisis, unless we clean up our balance sheets.” “The time for enlightenment has come. We must calmly, and without gloating, assess the root causes of this situation and try to peek into the future.”

It is rather ironic that the prime minister of Russia, formerly the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics is warning the US of the dangers of socialism. I guess even Putin learned from history. Too bad our politicians can't seem to learn. Notice also how his words echoed those of Ron Paul regarding writing off bad debts. It is truly an amazing event.

Well, NOBODY up till and even now has learned from past mistakes.
This cycle has repeated itself ever since the dawn of civilization on this planet.
One thing that strikes me about this though, is when he speaks of "enlightenment", for it WOULD BE the ability to "peek into the future" that would actually bring real enlightenment.
Unfortunately however, the international banking cartels have a very vested interest in not letting that happen in so long as they can still squeeze a profit somewhere.

The ability to learn from a past mistake is what makes intelligence. Humans, having a herd mentality on a collective scale, cannot do this.
If that were to change, even once, *I* would consider that enlightenment.

Be warned however, there is a reason why he "echoes the words of conservative congressman Dr. Ron Paul."

He IS the former head of the KGB. Believe you me that he has identified his target audience here in the US and addressed them. And he did so for the betterment of his OWN country. Not ours.

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He IS the former head of the KGB. Believe you me that he has identified his target audience here in the US and addressed them. And he did so for the betterment of his OWN country. Not ours.

I'm curious. What do you believe that Russia gets out of his comments? I would think that a socialist US would be less of a threat to Russia.

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It is the simple fact that he is becoming more and more vocal about US policies that stands to better his country in the long term.

What's even better than a Socialist U.S. is a U.S. that is gripped in a civil war.
Then we are no threat at all.
He is speaking to the people in the US *directly* that actually have a clue as to what is going on and are more likely to get pissed off about it.
Couple that with the threats of Martial Law and individual States adding legislature to reduce the role of the Federal Government and you have the makings of Civil Revolt.
Something Putin would be pleased to see, I'd wager.

Originally posted by Jay-in-AR
Be warned however, there is a reason why he "echoes the words of conservative congressman Dr. Ron Paul."

He IS the former head of the KGB. Believe you me that he has identified his target audience here in the US and addressed them. And he did so for the betterment of his OWN country. Not ours.

Actually he was a Colonel in the KGB who recruited spies in E. Germany then St. Petersburg.

Really... Okay, I must have read something wrong at some point.
In any event, I don't think it matters too much to the point.

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He is speaking to the people in the US *directly* that actually have a clue as to what is going on and are more likely to get pissed off about it.

Actually, he is speaking to the conferees at the Davos Conference. Russia, as well as virtually all the countries of the world, have a stake in what happens there, since the annual World Economic Forum in Davos is one of the most important international conferences dealing with the economic situation of the world. Since most of the economies of the world are pegged to the US dollar, what happens here affects all of their economies also.

Yes, I understand that. What I was getting at is that it is really only going to meet the ears of those who actually give a damn here in this Country. Anymore, those are the vast Minority.
Therefore, he can be as critical as he wishes, because what's the worst that could happen as a result of his words?
In fact, he is playing this to his advantage.
The simple fact that you brought it to this website to give it discussion amongst people that are already highly known to disapprove of the Government's actions is evidence of this. Note tomorrow at your place of work how many people are talking about this... None of them. Unless you work in political, economic or military fields, that is.

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Note tomorrow at your place of work how many people are talking about this... None of them. Unless you work in political, economic or military fields, that is.

I understand what you are saying, and agree that most people don't really know what is going on. As to what you suggest I do, however, I can't. I'm retired.

It does seem like a bizzaro world when Russia is warning the US about the dangers of socialism but I guess no one would know the dangers better then those who lived in the former USSR. So in a strange bizzaro way these comments acutally make perfect sense.

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You're right. Isn't it funny that at a time when Russia is delving heavily into capitalism that the US is being dragged into Socialism?
Who would have ever thought?

Back when I was a SGT in the Army the USSR was the Evil Empire. Now Congress and the office of the President are home of the Thieving Empire.

I had to look up the oath I swore as an enlisted man:
"I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

Dammit. I forgot about the President part.

Note that Officers don't swear allegiance to the President:
"I having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God."

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I had to look up the oath I swore as an enlisted man: "I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

That brings up an interesting question. What happens when the President is taking action that is in violation of the Constitution? Does the Constitution take precedent over the President? I know which way I would go- I'd support the Constitution.

I took the same oath, and I'll tell you this much, my alliegence has never been solely to one man, no matter who that man is. My alliegance is to this constitution. In fact, as a military person, you are instructed to NEVER follow an unlawful order.
Now, if it can be argued that the PRESIDENT has broken the law, he has violated HIS oath to the Constitution and therefore his authority delegated to you is null and void.

Yes, the Constitution takes precident, as it is unlawful to FOLLOW an unlawful order.

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Now, if it can be argued that the PRESIDENT has broken the law, he has violated HIS oath to the Constitution and therefore his authority delegated to you is null and void. Yes, the Constitution takes precident, as it is unlawful to FOLLOW an unlawful order.

I agree. That is why it is so important to get the truth out about his place of birth. IMO, it has been swept under the carpet. He still has not produced a vault copy of the birth certificate, only a proof of live birth, which is meaningless, as far as establishing the real place of birth.

in Hawaii, a Certification of Live Birth is issued within a year of a child's birth to those who register a birth abroad or one that takes place outside a hospital

www.wnd.com...

That is one thing that is past us, imo.
I'm tired of that argument. In fact, I have shown in more than one thread how the SCOTUS would have sided with Obama anyways and it would have done nothing but bring chaos to the streets for nothing.

These latest issues, however, I'm starting to really wonder about.

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I'm tired of that argument. In fact, I have shown in more than one thread how the SCOTUS would have sided with Obama anyways and it would have done nothing but bring chaos to the streets for nothing.

Perhaps. However, if someone, say from Kenya, happens to come forward at some time in the future with proof that Obama was born there, imagine what would happen in the streets then. Or even worse, what if someone had the proof, and rather than come forward, used that to blackmail Obama into taking or not taking some action that ends up being detrimental to the US.

Furthermore, I am afraid that we are destined to experience "chaos in the streets" as you put it, regardless. This economy is going down, and this "stimulus" bill will only make it worse. Although a year ago, I would never have believed it were possible, I think there is a better than 50-50 chance that this country will be placed under martial law within the next 4 years. I hope I'm wrong, but all you have to do is read the news worldwide. The world is collapsing along with the US, and all the kings horses and men won't be able to put humpty back together again.

As I said, it matters not.
I'm not getting into the particulars of this argument, albeit to say that it doesn't matter if he WAS born in Kenya. He will be declared a natural born citizen if it comes to pass.
On everything else, I think we agree.