SURPRISE! Dems Break Promise: Stimulus Bill to Floor Friday , page 6
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reply posted on 13-2-2009 @ 02:21 PM by Snisha
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic



Oh yes, this is most assuredly a "emergency" act and it is bursting at the seams with fast-track no nonsense programs that will lead us to "The Promised Land". The Dems told us so and we have to believe them because they are our infallible truth-telling public officials!

I'm positive that the 15.6 BILLION for Pell grants shall provide an immediate jump start to the economy!

5 BILLION for "Weatherization Assistance" brilliant!

The 1 BILLION for that perennial moneymaker "Amtrack" makes perfect sense!

2 BILLION for Federally subsidized "Child Care" why not??? page 160 of stimulus bill

650 MILLION for "Digital T.V. Converters" Now there's a sure winner!

And of course who in their right mind could argue against the virtues of laying down 150 MILLION for "Honeybee Insurance" Gotta have Gainfully Employed BUSY WORKER BEES...Right???

Bend Over & Smile Please


!!!!!OH MY GOD THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!



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reply posted on 13-2-2009 @ 02:26 PM by Irish M1ck
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic



I know it's a talking point on talk radio. I hear it all the time how it won't come out until the recession is over already.


reply posted on 13-2-2009 @ 02:26 PM by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by Snisha



Can you find these provisions in the bill? I cannot. Where did you get this stuff?

Clearly none of you have read the bill and just want to complain. So, I'm done. Bathe in ignorance.

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reply posted on 13-2-2009 @ 02:43 PM by FlyersFan
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Well, I guess you know better than those who wrote it...

Obviously.

And the confidence provided by the passing of this bill constitutes it as an emergency.

Confidence? Are you kidding? The people of this country aren't gaining any 'confidence' by the passing of this bill. The people dont' want it. Last poll I saw had 35% of the people approving of it.

'Confidence'. Nubulous political rhetoric like 'hope' and 'change'.

Deal with it. Or not. It doesn't matter to me.

I'm 'dealing with' this just fine. However, perhaps YOU are the one not dealing with the reality that Obama is breaking his campaign promises .. again.

They waived the 48-hour rule. They don't even have to have it up there for 48 hours, much less 5 days.

I'm talking about OBAMA'S CAMPAIGN PROMISE. You know.. that alleged transparency thing. He promised FIVE DAYS for these things. That was his promise. And he's breaking his promise. Again.

And as far as this money not being spent for two years .. You've been told all this information before. I guess you forgot.

Washington Post

Less than half the money dedicated to highways, school construction and other infrastructure projects in a massive economic stimulus package unveiled by House Democrats is likely to be spent within the next two years, according to congressional budget analysts, meaning most of the spending would come too late to lift the nation out of recession.

A report by the Congressional Budget Office found that only about $136 billion of the $355 billion that House leaders want to allocate to infrastructure and other so-called discretionary programs would be spent by Oct. 1, 2010. The rest would come in future years, long after the CBO and other economists predict the recession will have ended


Articles on the Congressional Budget Office

Capolitical News from the Congressional Budget Office -

Although the argument for quickly passing the $800-billion-plus stimulus bill now before Congress is that pumping money into the economy immediately will spur economic growth and create jobs, almost half of the new spending—as opposed to tax cuts—being proposed in the bill would not be spent until at least two years from now, according to an analysis published by the Congressional Budget Office.

In fact, CBO found that the types of spending favored by Congressional Democrats, such as road construction, IT, and unemployment spending, wouldn’t be spent as quickly because the money would be tied up in the state and federal bureaucracies


CNS News

For nearly a week, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has said that 75 percent of the $815.8 billion stimulus spending proposal currently before Congress would be doled out in the first 18 months after it becomes law. But a CBO analysis says only about 64 percent of the money in the bill will be spent by the end of fiscal year 2010, which comes 20 months from now.


This can wait five days


reply posted on 13-2-2009 @ 02:53 PM by Jay-in-AR
BH,

Come on, you are a level-headed person, I know it.
I'm not trying to bash anyone here, but I would like you to think about this for a second.
Do you notice what everyone is fighting over? It isn't the merit of the issue. Everyone is fighting over what he said, or didn't say, and whether this is an "emergency" or not.
Lets face it, folks, we ARE in an emergency situation. But at the same time, this money is NOT going to solve this emergency. Everyone here KNOWS this, whether they admit it or not. Some still like to have some hope. But I am being totally realistic here. We are doomed. Even if, by some miracle, all of this turns around tomorrow, the amount of debt we have taken on over the last 4 months alone is more than we have seen accumulate in our entire lives, many times over. America is lost and it will never gain its former status.
At this point, to put the final nail in the coffin, all that needs to be done is for China to drop US securities.
Then it is over. Roll Credits.

Obama isn't trying to fix anything, he is continuing the business as usual of trying to give all of our money to the corporate masters that run this country. Problem is, it isn't going to do them any good unless they are getting that money in tangible assets. Our currency is all but worthless now and it is going to get even worse. Same for most countries on the planet, right now.
I want to see someone ADDRESS THE UNDERLYING ISSUES HERE, and Obama simply isn't doing it. He's not even trying. In fact, he is forcefeeding us more of the same!

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reply posted on 13-2-2009 @ 02:55 PM by FlyersFan
Fox News
CNN News
MSNBC

Headlines - House approves stimulus. Dow and S&P500 both DOWN.
The markets react. That's NOT confidence.

edited to add -

Originally posted by Jay-in-AR
we ARE in an emergency situation. But at the same time, this money is NOT going to solve this emergency.

Exactly.



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reply posted on 13-2-2009 @ 03:03 PM by redhatty
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Originally posted by FlyersFan
But when the fact of the matter is that a majority of the $$$ won't be spent until after the first two years ... then this is NOT an emergency.


Don't suppose you have a source on that?

The money starts flowing in just a few months.

Q&A How the Stimulus will Unfold


and this source says differently

as does this source

and while $15 more per bi-weekly paycheck may appear to help people the rest of the immediate stimulus is for people who are already on the .gov dole, welfare, food stamps, EITC, unemployed, Pell Grants.

Yes, we are all looking very forward to seeing those on the .gov teat get more right now, aren't we?



reply posted on 13-2-2009 @ 03:10 PM by Jay-in-AR
reply to post by redhatty



That's what Rangel meant a few weeks back about "not just giving the money to white construction workers."

Which was followed up ONCE AGAIN with sentiments to the fact that Americans don't even realize what is going on, so they can get away with it.

What I find ENCOURAGING is that these Senators are having to reaffirm eachother that we aren't paying attention. They are going to screw up very soon. And they may have just done it. When people actually REALIZE what they are getting out of this TRILLION dollars, they may just in fact get really, really mad.
Tax revolt. Just like that trend forecaster said.

They should have given the money in a lump sum. Giving it in allotments of 13 bucks a week is going to be viewed as a slap in the face...
Maybe this was the desired effect. In any event, it is clear that they have a complete disdain for the American People. They are beginning to make that abundantly clear.



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reply posted on 13-2-2009 @ 03:13 PM by Jay-in-AR
reply to post by Irish M1ck



I'll add 100 dollars to your paypal account if this stimulus works. Let me put it that way.
It WON'T WORK - period.


reply posted on 13-2-2009 @ 03:16 PM by Hastobemoretolife
reply to post by Irish M1ck



Tax cuts don't work? Flying in the face of history I see. Just by this statement we can tell where you get your news from.

Just look at history that is all you have to do.

I still maintain my sentiment that they put a lot of bs in this bill and this is nothing more than a "pay your base" bill for my reelection campaign in 2010.

So much for transparency. We're getting our change right now and your aren't going to like it very much.


edit - spelling

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