The Evening and Morning Star
I'll just add this link into the debate.
It's a very nice and not too long article about Venus.
Strange star in the sky, page 27
reply posted on 20-4-2009 @ 07:18 AM by THEsmokefrog
reply to post by Merkabah
dude! check out my profile theres only 4 pics in there and 3 are of this light in the sky, all taken on a camera 4n un-tampered, impossible to photograph anythin in the night until i saw this light and has been the only thing in the sky i have been able to capture on an image, but not a bad one, let me know wot u think on it if ur in the UK this is where this was photographed
dude! check out my profile theres only 4 pics in there and 3 are of this light in the sky, all taken on a camera 4n un-tampered, impossible to photograph anythin in the night until i saw this light and has been the only thing in the sky i have been able to capture on an image, but not a bad one, let me know wot u think on it if ur in the UK this is where this was photographed
reply posted on 20-4-2009 @ 04:00 PM by LeoVirgo
reply to post by rapunzel222
Hi rapunzel...
Can I have a idea about where you live so I can see where you are viewing the sky from? Also mabey a time of when you have been observing? I believe Venus is rising in the East these days, along with the sun as a morning star...so your westward position of observations excludes Venus for starters.
Hi rapunzel...
Can I have a idea about where you live so I can see where you are viewing the sky from? Also mabey a time of when you have been observing? I believe Venus is rising in the East these days, along with the sun as a morning star...so your westward position of observations excludes Venus for starters.
reply posted on 20-4-2009 @ 05:16 PM by Phage
reply to post by LeoVirgo
As a matter of fact, everything rises in the east (more or less) and sets in the west. So if it really is rising in the west it is no celestial body.
As a matter of fact, everything rises in the east (more or less) and sets in the west. So if it really is rising in the west it is no celestial body.
reply posted on 20-4-2009 @ 07:20 PM by LeoVirgo
reply to post by Phage
You have a way of making things clear...
Sometimes one line says enough...
27 more characters...4,3,2
LV
You have a way of making things clear...
Sometimes one line says enough...
27 more characters...4,3,2
LV
reply posted on 24-4-2009 @ 08:33 AM by rapunzel222
reply to post by LeoVirgo
oops. i meant east. the nearest capital city to me is brisbane. last night it rose about 4.30 to quarter to five in the morning, while it was still dark. sorry i got my directions wrong, but still i didnt get the size wrong, ive seen it about 3 times now, and its pretty big for a star. its huge actually.
ive seen plenty of planets and stars in the sky and thru telescopes. this looks totally different. some one said 10 times bigger - i dunno , 10 or 20 even. if its venus, it looks like someone pulled it closer to earth, cuz venus has never been anywhere close to that size before.
oops. i meant east. the nearest capital city to me is brisbane. last night it rose about 4.30 to quarter to five in the morning, while it was still dark. sorry i got my directions wrong, but still i didnt get the size wrong, ive seen it about 3 times now, and its pretty big for a star. its huge actually.
ive seen plenty of planets and stars in the sky and thru telescopes. this looks totally different. some one said 10 times bigger - i dunno , 10 or 20 even. if its venus, it looks like someone pulled it closer to earth, cuz venus has never been anywhere close to that size before.
reply posted on 24-4-2009 @ 08:56 AM by LeoVirgo
reply to post by rapunzel222
Thanks for that clarification. Now that you are looking in the East...I would have to sound like the ol dud and say it is likely Venus. The only way you could probably convince yourself of it is to find out where exactly Venus should be right now, and match that with what you observe. I bet to your surprise it will be in the exact location Venus is to be, but one wont know until they compare the path of Venus with what ever star they are observing.
Often Venus is mistaken for other things and Venus' brightness is not consistent. It changes, like the moon.
I may sound like a bore but there is no other object in the sky that is mistaken for something else as much as Venus is. So rule of thumb, always in the back of the mind, know the path of Venus, so things can be ruled out quickly....or not. I watched Venus for about 6 months before she became the morning star and I saw her at some of the brightest moments I have ever seen...like she was going to just fall out of the sky.
On the 22nd, Venus and the moon were very close, in fact, Venus moved behind the moon and popped out the other side.
Looks like I will have to wake up in the night to get a gander at the morning star...
I have seen some strange things in the North lately....
LV
Thanks for that clarification. Now that you are looking in the East...I would have to sound like the ol dud and say it is likely Venus. The only way you could probably convince yourself of it is to find out where exactly Venus should be right now, and match that with what you observe. I bet to your surprise it will be in the exact location Venus is to be, but one wont know until they compare the path of Venus with what ever star they are observing.
Often Venus is mistaken for other things and Venus' brightness is not consistent. It changes, like the moon.
I may sound like a bore but there is no other object in the sky that is mistaken for something else as much as Venus is. So rule of thumb, always in the back of the mind, know the path of Venus, so things can be ruled out quickly....or not. I watched Venus for about 6 months before she became the morning star and I saw her at some of the brightest moments I have ever seen...like she was going to just fall out of the sky.
On the 22nd, Venus and the moon were very close, in fact, Venus moved behind the moon and popped out the other side.
Looks like I will have to wake up in the night to get a gander at the morning star...
I have seen some strange things in the North lately....
LV
reply posted on 24-4-2009 @ 10:19 AM by Phage
reply to post by rapunzel222
Venus is rising at about 4:30. It is very bright because it is quite close to Earth right now, only 35,000,000 miles.
Mars is also visible to the right and a bit lower, but pretty dim.
[edit on 4/24/2009 by Phage]
Venus is rising at about 4:30. It is very bright because it is quite close to Earth right now, only 35,000,000 miles.
Mars is also visible to the right and a bit lower, but pretty dim.
[edit on 4/24/2009 by Phage]
reply posted on 24-4-2009 @ 11:04 AM by jdub297
Originally posted by rapunzel222
Precisely the attitude of so many recent posts and threads!
Choose to ignore facts, and rely on speculation or fear.
This thread started when Venus was visible in the West after (and even just before) sunset as it progressed in its orbit. People commonly refer to it as the "Evening Star" at these times.
It now rises at dawn as the "Morning Star." It is closer now than it has been in years and will be for quite some time, as well.
Some of us DO enjoy research and serious thought. If you have access to binoculars or a small telescope, you could see the obvious:
www.earthsky.org...
Deny Ignorance!
jw
[edit on 24-4-2009 by jdub297]
i doubt anyone's going to manage to convince me what im seeing is venus. ...
i dont really feel the need to do any research.
Precisely the attitude of so many recent posts and threads!
Choose to ignore facts, and rely on speculation or fear.
This thread started when Venus was visible in the West after (and even just before) sunset as it progressed in its orbit. People commonly refer to it as the "Evening Star" at these times.
It now rises at dawn as the "Morning Star." It is closer now than it has been in years and will be for quite some time, as well.
Some of us DO enjoy research and serious thought. If you have access to binoculars or a small telescope, you could see the obvious:
www.earthsky.org...
This week the planet Venus shines at its brightest before dawn.
Venus won’t appear this bright in the morning sky again until December of the year 2010. Look eastward before dawn to see this dazzling world fairly close to the horizon. Another bright object – fainter and higher up in the predawn sky – is the planet Jupiter.
Surprisingly, Venus doesn’t shine at its brightest when it’s at full phase as seen from Earth. It shines most brilliantly in our sky when it appears as a crescent from Earth – about 25% illuminated. Each day since March 27 – when Venus passed from our evening sky to our morning sky – this planet has been closer to Earth than it will be tomorrow morning.
But it’s only now that the crescent of Venus appears wide enough from our earthly perspective for Venus to shine at its brightest.
Deny Ignorance!
jw
[edit on 24-4-2009 by jdub297]
reply posted on 13-5-2009 @ 08:25 AM by rapunzel222
Originally posted by jdub297
Originally posted by rapunzel222
i doubt anyone's going to manage to convince me what im seeing is venus. ...
i dont really feel the need to do any research.
Precisely the attitude of so many recent posts and threads!
Choose to ignore facts, and rely on speculation or fear.
This thread started when Venus was visible in the West after (and even just before) sunset as it progressed in its orbit. People commonly refer to it as the "Evening Star" at these times.
It now rises at dawn as the "Morning Star." It is closer now than it has been in years and will be for quite some time, as well.
Some of us DO enjoy research and serious thought. If you have access to binoculars or a small telescope, you could see the obvious:
www.earthsky.org...
This week the planet Venus shines at its brightest before dawn.
Venus won’t appear this bright in the morning sky again until December of the year 2010. Look eastward before dawn to see this dazzling world fairly close to the horizon. Another bright object – fainter and higher up in the predawn sky – is the planet Jupiter.
Surprisingly, Venus doesn’t shine at its brightest when it’s at full phase as seen from Earth. It shines most brilliantly in our sky when it appears as a crescent from Earth – about 25% illuminated. Each day since March 27 – when Venus passed from our evening sky to our morning sky – this planet has been closer to Earth than it will be tomorrow morning.
But it’s only now that the crescent of Venus appears wide enough from our earthly perspective for Venus to shine at its brightest.
Deny Ignorance!
jw
[edit on 24-4-2009 by jdub297]
well done, very clever. but it doesnt look like venus to me, even if venus is sposed to be brighter and closer than it ever has been before. its still too big. i have seen venus plenty of times, and this star just doesnt feel or look right to me. but you're entitled to your opinion, even if your post is having a go at me and irritating me.
ps... 'speculation and fear'.. speculation, sure. i'll give you that, but what's with the fear? are you afraid? im not.
[edit on 13-5-2009 by rapunzel222]
reply posted on 15-8-2009 @ 01:45 AM by xxshadowfaxx
reply to post by AllTiedTogether
Thank you for pointing it out. About time.
I saw this object yesterday for the first time. Before knowing anything about this object or this site I looked up at it and said what the hell is that?
I have seen venus on many occassions before, and have spent hours looking at venus. This object was not venus. It was not saturn. It was not sirius. I looked at this object and I saw four different colors. Red, Blue, Green, and White. It flashed all of these colors so fast that when I first saw this object I thought it was a plane and moved onto looking at other stars. 20 minutes later I looked back to that section of the sky and saw that it was still there. So my interest suddenly grew. I grabbed the binoculars and looked at it closer. The flashing of it didn't get less like a regular twinkling star usually does. The flashing intensified. The main colors were red and blue and it resembled a police car off in the distance like you would see crusing down the freeway from 5 miles away. The flashing was very very fast and intense. I looked it for a while through the binoculars and saw traces of green and white within the flashes. This object was fairly low on the horizone, but it was not the lowest. The stars under it, were plain white stars that looked the same as all the rest. This object was not flashing because of atmospheric pollutions or anything like that. It was too consistant, and too bright. It was the strangest thing I have ever seen in the night sky. I was in central british columbia, near quesnel when I observed it. The time was between 11:00pm and 12:00am. The object was in the west to northwest section of the sky.I also noticed slight movements of this object. I did not see it disappear. So I can tell you with certainty that this object is NOT a planet. If it is a star it is unlike any star that I have ever seen. So I would safely say that this object is NOT a star. So this bring us to the ultimate question. What flashes red, blue green, and white, and moves differently than anything else in the sky? Meteor? Comet? Or dare I say UFO? I don't believe it to be a ufo, because if it is, that is one big ass spacecraft. All of you that say that we are looking at venus, you are wrong. Planets do not twinkle, as they reflect light. Just like the moon. Does the moon twinkle? No. More importantly, does the moon twinkle different colors? No. This object twinkles at a very rapid and consistent rate, even when looked at through binoculars. No planet, not even venus twinkles, it reflects back the light that shines on it, and not even 100% of it. So unless our sun is putting out blue red and green rays of sunshine, then I'm baffled. Although it would be cool to suntan in green rays. Stop fighting each other and accept something new is among us and lets try and figure this out.
Thank you for pointing it out. About time.
I saw this object yesterday for the first time. Before knowing anything about this object or this site I looked up at it and said what the hell is that?
I have seen venus on many occassions before, and have spent hours looking at venus. This object was not venus. It was not saturn. It was not sirius. I looked at this object and I saw four different colors. Red, Blue, Green, and White. It flashed all of these colors so fast that when I first saw this object I thought it was a plane and moved onto looking at other stars. 20 minutes later I looked back to that section of the sky and saw that it was still there. So my interest suddenly grew. I grabbed the binoculars and looked at it closer. The flashing of it didn't get less like a regular twinkling star usually does. The flashing intensified. The main colors were red and blue and it resembled a police car off in the distance like you would see crusing down the freeway from 5 miles away. The flashing was very very fast and intense. I looked it for a while through the binoculars and saw traces of green and white within the flashes. This object was fairly low on the horizone, but it was not the lowest. The stars under it, were plain white stars that looked the same as all the rest. This object was not flashing because of atmospheric pollutions or anything like that. It was too consistant, and too bright. It was the strangest thing I have ever seen in the night sky. I was in central british columbia, near quesnel when I observed it. The time was between 11:00pm and 12:00am. The object was in the west to northwest section of the sky.I also noticed slight movements of this object. I did not see it disappear. So I can tell you with certainty that this object is NOT a planet. If it is a star it is unlike any star that I have ever seen. So I would safely say that this object is NOT a star. So this bring us to the ultimate question. What flashes red, blue green, and white, and moves differently than anything else in the sky? Meteor? Comet? Or dare I say UFO? I don't believe it to be a ufo, because if it is, that is one big ass spacecraft. All of you that say that we are looking at venus, you are wrong. Planets do not twinkle, as they reflect light. Just like the moon. Does the moon twinkle? No. More importantly, does the moon twinkle different colors? No. This object twinkles at a very rapid and consistent rate, even when looked at through binoculars. No planet, not even venus twinkles, it reflects back the light that shines on it, and not even 100% of it. So unless our sun is putting out blue red and green rays of sunshine, then I'm baffled. Although it would be cool to suntan in green rays. Stop fighting each other and accept something new is among us and lets try and figure this out.
reply posted on 15-8-2009 @ 03:56 AM by Phage
reply to post by xxshadowfaxx
It sounds like you are seeing the star Arcturus.
www.farmersalmanac.com...
It, and other bright stars, often captures people's attention:
home.comcast.net...
It sounds like you are seeing the star Arcturus.
When they appear low to the horizon and are shining through a thicker layer of haze, they can sometimes appear to splinter into different colors (called the scintillation effect). Thus, these normally white stars could appear red or green.
You can see Arcturus low on the northwest horizon around 10 p.m.
www.farmersalmanac.com...
It, and other bright stars, often captures people's attention:
Around 1 a.m. or so the witnesses indicated they were seeing a UFO to the North and there was a bright starlike object just above the horizon. We watched this object for awhile. Over the next 15 or 20 minutes the object got a little brighter. It seemed to flash colors from red to green to blue to white and so on especially when viewed through binoculars.... At approximately 1:30 a.m. the witnesses drew my attention to a bright starlike object over the western horizon. This object was also flashing colors and getting brighter, then dimmer, appearing to approach and recede... (Anderson)
home.comcast.net...
reply posted on 15-8-2009 @ 01:52 PM by LeoVirgo
reply to post by Phage
Hey Phage...can you tell me how to save a page from the stellarium....is there a program I need or something...I try to right click and save but there is nothing offering me the ability to do this.
Any suggestions?
Hey Phage...can you tell me how to save a page from the stellarium....is there a program I need or something...I try to right click and save but there is nothing offering me the ability to do this.
Any suggestions?
reply posted on 15-8-2009 @ 02:20 PM by Ethereal Gargoyle
reply to post by LeoVirgo
I don't think there is a way to make a screen shot. But it's easy to recreate the view you want any time you need it: you simply set the date and the time and the coordinates to match the time and location when you were observing what you want to see again.
Also, if you want to show it to others, they can also do the same (adjust the settings to match yours) with their Stellarium. Everyone should have it anyway.
[edit on 15-8-2009 by Ethereal Gargoyle]
[edit on 15-8-2009 by Ethereal Gargoyle]
I don't think there is a way to make a screen shot. But it's easy to recreate the view you want any time you need it: you simply set the date and the time and the coordinates to match the time and location when you were observing what you want to see again.
Also, if you want to show it to others, they can also do the same (adjust the settings to match yours) with their Stellarium. Everyone should have it anyway.
[edit on 15-8-2009 by Ethereal Gargoyle]
[edit on 15-8-2009 by Ethereal Gargoyle]
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