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reply posted on 13-2-2009 @ 08:55 AM by TiM3LoRd

if and when the US collapses into civil war ill believe this.

reply posted on 13-2-2009 @ 09:03 AM by ledbedder20

reply to post by Hx3_1963

Why would you hold off on posting something? Because MSM isn't discussing it?

Speak out, be heard, stand for what you believe in! How else are we going to get issues like this pushed into the comfortable lives of the masses?

Below is a post I did for people wanting to get involved, do their part and contact their own state representatives:

I collected some links and a letter to send to your own representative. Email this to friends and family as well so they can contact their own reps.

Step 1: Look up your zip+4 (necessary to see who your representative is)
zip4.usps.com...

Step 2: Find out who your rep. is
writerep.house.gov...

Step 3: Email your representative (email I wrote is below, feel free to use it. I included the links.)

I'm writing this message to express my support for the state's sovereignty movement. Our nation's founding leaders penned the constitution to guarantee the American people's liberties and right to pursue happiness for as long as the idea can exist. I still think that idea of freedom exists today and believe the only way we can salvage our rights is to turn the major policy making process and power back over to our state's representatives...like you! This ability was built into the United States Constitution for a reason and I'm glad some state's representatives are fighting for the Americans they were appointed to serve.

The 10th amendment reads: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." and limits the federal government to powers expressly delegated and therefore denies any claims to powers that have been "implied". This means that many federal laws and regulations actually exist outside the legal scope of the constitution and are therefore illegal and do not apply to American residents in ANY state.

I am including information for state bills that a few states are trying to have approved in their own sessions. I believe New Hampshire's is actually on the floor today. I have included contact info. for sponsors of the bills as well in case you wanted to contact them.

I truly do thank you for your time. This country was founded by people like you and I who wanted to stand up for what we believe in and I think there is enough momentum in America right now to maybe stand a little taller and speak a little louder about the principals we hold to be true and self evident.

Links:

NH House Concurrent Resolution 6:
www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2009/HCR0006.html
Tim Comerford - tim_comerford@yahoo.com
Daniel Itse - itsenh@comcast.net
Paul Ingbretson - ingbretson_studio@yahoo.com
Sen. William Denley - William.Denley@leg.state.nh.us

Michigan House Resolution No. 6:
www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(21rmjiv1sl0wvw55yxurwl55))/documents/2009-2010/Journal/House/pdf/2009-HJ-01-22-002.pdf

Michigan contact - Rep. Paul Opsommer: paulopsommer@house.mi.gov

Missouri HR 212:
www.house.mo.gov/content.aspx?info=/bills091/bills/HR212.HTM
Sponsor - Cynthia L. Davis Cynthia.Davis@house.mo.gov
Co -sponsor - Timothy W. Jones Tim.Jones@house.mo.gov

Montana House Bill No. 246:
data.opi.mt.gov/bills/2009/billhtml/HB0246.htm
Sponsored by Joel Boniek - Home: (406)220-1240 (can’t find his e-mail)

Oklahoma State Sovereignty bill HJR 1089:
www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=3333
webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/2007-08HB/HJR1089_int.rtf
Charles Key - ckey@cox.net

Washington 10th amendment HJM 4009:
apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2009-10/Pdf/Bills/House%20Joint%20Memorials/4009-State%20sovereignty.pdf

Washington residents can e-mail reps here:
apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?year=2009&bill=4009

Matt Shea - (360) 786-7984
Brad Klippert - (360) 786-7882
Cary Condotta - (360) 786-7954
Joel Kretz - (360) 786-7988
Glenn Anderson - (360) 786-7876
Jim McCune - (360) 786-7824
Dan Kristiansen - (360) 786-7967

Hawaii - Movement for a Constitutional Convention:
www.hawaii-nation.org/legal.html

California SJR 44 from 1994:
www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/93-94/bill/sen/sb_0001-0050/sjr_44_bill_940829_chaptered

Arizona State Sovereignty bill HCR 2024:
www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/49leg/1r/bills/hcr2024p.htm

AZ Representatives sponsoring the resolution:

Cecil P. Ash - cash@azleg.gov
Nancy K. Barto - nbarto@azleg.gov
Andy Biggs - abiggs@azleg.gov
Judy M. Burges - jburges@azleg.gov
Tom Boone - tboone@azleg.gov
Cloves C. Campbell Jr. - clcampbell@azleg.gov
Steve Court - scourt@azleg.gov
Rich Crandall - rcrandall@azleg.gov
Sam Crump - scrump@azleg.gov
Adam Driggs - adriggs@azleg.gov
Patricia V. Fleming - pfleming@azleg.gov
Doris Goodale - dgoodale@azleg.gov
David Gowan - dgowan@azleg.gov
Laurin Hendrix - lhendrix@azleg.gov
John Kavanagh - jkavanagh@azleg.gov
Debbie Lesko - dlesko@azleg.gov
Lucy Mason - lmason@azleg.gov
John McComish - jmccomish@azleg.gov
Barbara McGuire - bmcguire@azleg.gov
Ben R. Miranda - bmiranda@azleg.gov
Steve B. Montenegro - smontenegro@azleg.gov
Rick Murphy - rmurphy@azleg.gov
Warde V. Nichols - wnichols@azleg.gov
Lynne Pancrazi - lpancrazi@azleg.gov
Frank Pratt - fpratt@azleg.gov
Doug Quelland - dquelland@azleg.gov
Carl Seel - cseel@azleg.gov
David Stevens - dstevens@azleg.gov
Andrew M. Tobin - atobin@azleg.gov
Jerry Weiers - jpweiers@azleg.gov
AZ Senator Jack W. Harper - jharper@azleg.gov

reply posted on 13-2-2009 @ 09:26 AM by jBrereton

For one thing, you boys in the states oughtn't to be wanting a civil war. They are horribly messy affairs which ruin the proper running of a country for a generation as it has to pick itself back up.

For another, this will come to nothing. History will not remember this act. In the current state that the economy is in, the states are all going to need, or more to the point, ask for, state aid at some point. When New Hampshire's time comes, they are going to # this nonsense in the bin and lie down.

Also you need to look at what other states are honestly going to back them up. Issues one and two combine here. People might be unhappy about the current situation, but essential the idea of sessesion from the government is not going to be widespread, and as the years go on and the country gets increasingly unified, it will grow increasingly less popular.

What we have here is ineffectual posturing. Nothing more.

reply posted on 13-2-2009 @ 09:57 AM by Realtruth

I would like to point out that on a thread I recently posted Byrd gave a fairly comprehensive breakdown on what a resolution is and it's power.

I would have to agree with him, because I am not sure that they actually mean anything but hot air, CYA's, fluff for the masses, or maybe they do only time will tell now.

When I see all the states collectively abolishing the Federal Reserves and the IRS then I will know something is being done.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Byrd

Originally posted by MoothyKnight
still ABSOLUTELY no coverage of this on the MSM

Because they're resolutions.

ANY member of a legislative house can bring up a resolution for any number of things.

Texas (for instance) once passed a resolution announcing 2/28/97 as "Taiwan Peace Day." I don't believe it made much of an impact in the news and it certainly hasn't made waves since then:
www.taiwandc.org...

We passed legislation saying that the "Blue Lacy" (a dog breed I've never heard of) is the Official State Dog Breed of Texas:
www.netstate.com...

They passed a resolution to express good wishes to the Divine Performers for the Chinese New Year Celebration:
www.divineshows.com...

Resolutions also recognize/honor college and university events:
prtl.uhcl.edu...

...and so on and so forth. Every state legislature passes dozens of these each day and the newspapers could fill up their columns just reprinting the texts with no commentary. I've seen resolutions honoring the scouts, honoring veterans, honoring newsmakers, honoring town centennials and so forth.

Resolutions are designed to make the people of the Congresscritter's district (and some others) feel Really Good about their Congresscritter... so that they will vote the dear Congresscritter back into office. Since these are basically "we affirm states rights" resolutions, they're really sort of a "non issue" (like saying "we affirm that the state government works.")

Here's the one that says "the US government allows each state two representatives and the Texas government is delighted to have two representatives in the US congress.: tarlton.law.utexas.edu...

So if you're expecting grand and sweeping changes from this, you're looking at the wrong direction. It's a "feel good" paper. It isn't a states revolt.

Look up resolutions brought by your own state representatives to see just how vapid many of them are and see how little of an impact resolutions have on the overall government.

reply posted on 13-2-2009 @ 10:14 AM by j2000

Originally posted by Realtruth

When I see all the states collectively abolishing the Federal Reserves and the IRS then I will know something is being done.

Star for you on this one quote you gave. You got it absolutely right.
It will not be the states though, it will be using the 2nd amendment.
I wrote Gerald Celente an email and he responded. If you don't know who he is, you better check him out. He does know what the hell he is talking about. Below is the email I sent and received.

Hello Gerald,

There is no easy way out, but the way you suggest, to me (eliminating the Fed. Res., state's rights and a return to the Constitution is the only way to salvage our nation.
gc
----- Original Message -----
From: Xxxxx Xxxxxxxxx
To: gcelente@trendsresearch.com
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 11:33 PM
Subject: question

Gerald,
What happens in the trends if enough US citizens formed up
and made a correction in the Govt.?
The corrections to be, taking out the Fed. Res. Bank., so no private
central bank.
Clearing of the Debt owed to the owners of the Fed. Reserve.
Cleaning house on the two political parties.
Return of power to the states, and a return to running from the
Constitution.
I think it will be rough either way. But would it be better to come
out of it with a clean slate? Or, would this just make it worse?

Best Regards,

Gerald Xxxxxxxxx
316-xxx-xxxx

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reply posted on 13-2-2009 @ 10:23 AM by ledbedder20

I don't think that civil war will necessarily result from states passing these resolutions. If enough states adopt these policies and stop enforcing federal legislation, then the federal government loses power...no matter who tries to fight. My concern is, the growth of the U.S. military (of which I am a veteran) has effectively done away with the idea of local militias, so there really is no local peace force to protect the individual states if the fed. govt. does decide to step in with it's own peace officers.

I agree though, civil war would be bad...right? Maybe better than being forced into servitude and reeducation camps. Maybe better than having our food and water rationed. Maybe better than a permanent widespread state of poverty.

Here are some links for you all to read up on:

Lawmakers in 20 states move to reclaim sovereignty

Eight states NOW declaring sovereignty

OK Rep. to reintroduce state sovereignty bill

Multiple states introducing sovereignty, tax, or arms rights bills

reply posted on 13-2-2009 @ 10:25 AM by vonholland

great thread guys!

and great conversation about whats going on! A few things Imho, should go on here

1: everyone call NH senators and give them accolades!!! kudos!!! support!!! offer then your collective spirit. They have indeed been very brave
2. Call your own state senator and tell them to support these NH politicians.
3. tell your friends
4. meditate and pray on the awakening of the masses for PEACEFUL RESTORATION other than violent revolution. Either way, like a Shaolin monk, we should aim to be peaceful and train everyday to become sharper and keep up the resistance.

aside for the mighty Jesus and God planning a violent revolution in America, we have the power to mold our future. the More awake, spread, these steps are ( I believe they might be passing baby steps if the one post of 20 state is indeed right starting these resolutions, I've heard of 9 with like 7 or 6 being serious) internationally known about, the support all around for a better life outside the corporate governance etc will occur. Be mindful where you shop, the people you hang out with, where you bank, and all this.

I wanna link the www.abovetopsecret.com... thread about no1 liking bankers. Awakening? yes. keep it up guys. No1 said ATS had to be the biggest groups, but they will be groups within groups composed of individuals making differences all around the world.

So in the words of my favorite ninja turtle "Keep it rockin' bros!

reply posted on 13-2-2009 @ 10:25 AM by hosta420

I can not wait to see the outcome of this situation.

reply posted on 13-2-2009 @ 10:26 AM by Boom Slice

It looks like NH HCR6 has been stopped in its tracks (sorry if this has already been posted - I'm at work and as soon as I saw this, I knew it needed to be thrown up here):

NH HCR6 Railroaded in the Executive Session

"Now we have the Executive Session, where the bill is railroaded to ITL. A movement to ITL comes quickly from Patrick Garrity and is seconded by Dom Domingo."

"Several Reps speak passionately for the bill, most notably Alfred Baldasaro and Lars Christiansen. Christiansen holds up a sheaf of emails from constituents supporting the bill. Not one Rep speaks against it or gives the slighest hint of why it should be opposed."

"And yet when the vote comes, it is overwhelmingly against the bill."

From: The Daily Paul

Just my gut feeling here, but since not one rep spoke against it, yet they overwhelmingly voted against it, makes it seem to me that they are patting their constituents on the head while stabbing them in the back, as uncle sam lines their pockets.

Sad.

reply posted on 13-2-2009 @ 11:14 AM by mrmonsoon

Wow, just wow.

Now, what is interesting is to see what Obama has to say about it.

Also, yes i must bring it up again, titor and his civil war for US prediction.

If it gets nasty, will national guard be called in to help or arrest the state officials.

Would the Federal troops be brought in to restore the status quo???

reply posted on 13-2-2009 @ 11:37 AM by Realtruth

Does anyone remember the movie "Braveheart"?

All of this reminds me of the powers that be playing both sides with all of this talk.

Do the state legislators actually mean what they say?

I have no faith in most politicians because the lie and it only takes one lie to ruin your credibility.

How many people of authority have lied to us? Demo and Repubs alike.

Robert the Bruce: A rebellion has begun.

Robert Bruce, Sr.: Under whom?

Robert the Bruce: A commoner named William Wallace.

Robert Bruce Sr.: We will embrace this rebellion. You will support it from our lands in the north while I gain English favor by condemning it, and ordering it opposed from our lands in the south. Sit down. Stay a while.

Robert the Bruce: This Wallace, he doesn't even have a knighthood, but he fights with passion and he inspires.

Robert Bruce, Sr.: And you wish to charge off and fight as he did. So would I.

Robert the Bruce: Well, maybe it's time.

Robert Bruce, Sr.: It is time to survive. You're the 17th Robert Bruce. The 16 before you passed you land and title because they didn't charge in. Call a meeting of the nobles.

Robert the Bruce: But they do nothing but talk.

Robert Bruce, Sr.: Rightly so. They're as rich in English titles and lands as they are in Scottish, just as we are. You admire this man, this William Wallace. Uncompromising men are easy to admire. He has courage, so does a dog. But it is exactly the ability to compromise that makes a man noble. And understand this: Edward Longshanks is the most ruthless king ever to sit in the throne of England. And none of us, and nothing of Scotland will remain, unless we are as ruthless. Give in to our nobles. Knowing their minds is the key to the throne.