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Saudi judge sentences pregnant gang-rape victim to 100 lashes for committing adultery

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posted on Feb, 12 2009 @ 10:19 PM
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Originally posted by phushion

Originally posted by Ownification
...so please I beg you post the link.


You did ask, nicely too:

Saudi Gazette

Dai ly Mail

And another case i recalled

BBC
Reuters
CNN
Fox

So if your trying to insinuate this stuff doesnt happen you really need to reconsider.


If you dont think its real read the comments beneath the Saudi article



Referring to the above article, the only crime the poor girl did was that she accepted a free ride from a stranger for which she was awarded 1 year jail & 100 lashes. As per her confession, she was raped by those 5 filthy creatures. Her only fault was that she accepted a free ride from a stranger. If her crime was so great as to win her such a painful punishment, then those dirty filthy pigs deserve to be hanged or given capital punishment as per Islamic Shariah. Protect the law don't abuse it.


[edit on 12/2/2009 by phushion]

Still doesn't make since, she could have easily convicted the father of the baby ahhh DNA, under Islamic law it is not just the women who get's punished it is also the men for commiting adultery. If it was rape than it would be a whole different story. Rape means death penalty, and no not for the women but for the rapest.


JEDDAH – The Summary Court in Jeddah has sentenced a 23-year-old Arab national and an 18-year-old American girl to one year in prison and 100 lashes each after they were convicted of adultery.


She was convicted of adultery she probably doesn't want the father of the baby to get punished that is why she hasn't come forward on to who he is.

I still smell BS, maybe she wasn't gangraped maybe it was her way of getting away with it. It is no different than a thief in America saying "I didn't do it, it was him", same. Why not explore all possibilities, if you don't than it sounds like propaganda.

Thanks for the link though but still the laws of Saudi Arabia can be found easily on Internet, you don't get punished for being gangraped. This reminds me of another thread which stated that two teenage gays were getting hanged, but they weren't gay they were convicted of murder, I'm sure when more information comes out or a report we will know for sure what is going on.

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posted on Feb, 12 2009 @ 10:22 PM
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Originally posted by Ownification
You idiot the article(an article meaning twisted news) is writen by Liz Hazelton, post the link if it is on Saudi news. I can smell BS, brainwashed folks like you don't care about being proven wrong as long as your propaganda is spread, that's your whole purpose so please I beg you post the link.


What propaganda? Do you see this as people making up stories in order to make the Saudis look poorly? Do you think that women in Saudi Arabia are treated fairly by law?

Are you saying that this incident didn't happen? Are you implying that other incidents like this haven't happened? Do you not remember the case last year where a woman was given 200 lashes for a similar offense and in the end was pardon due to pressure upon the Saudi government?

www.saudigazette.com.sa...

english.aljazeera.net...

www.economist.com...

news.bbc.co.uk...

Now, I can't find a definitive sourcing for the OP's article. But I can find, as you can see, some info on a similar case, and, there's no argument that women in Saudi Arabia have limited rights. And that even being in the company of a male not related to you, can get you arrested or 90 lashes. Just ask this woman:

www.timesonline.co.uk...



posted on Feb, 12 2009 @ 10:32 PM
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Originally posted by Ownification
...under Islamic law it is not just the women who get's punished it is also the men for commiting adultery. If it was rape than it would be a whole different story. Rape means death penalty, and no not for the women but for the rapest...


Honnestly

2006 Case
Reuters

www.reuters.com...
7th paragraph down (link should work?).



The 19-year-old Shi'ite woman from the town of Qatif in the Eastern Province was raped by seven men in 2006. A court had originally sentenced the woman to 90 lashes and the rapists to jail terms of between 10 months and five years.


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[edit on 12/2/2009 by phushion]



posted on Feb, 12 2009 @ 10:37 PM
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Do you know what propaganda means?[snip]know that this thread is designed to portray that this women was sentenced for getting gangraped or something similar when infact that is not true.

[snip]ask your self why in GOD's name would they punish a women for being gangraped. Why would you believe such a thing when you could simply jump on Google and search for the laws and regulations of Saudi Arabia, is that so hard to find?

Just because the Western Laws are different than the Saudi Laws doesn't mean your laws are correct and the Saudi is unjustified for. Laws are laws, if the western laws were perfect than they have the right to judge other laws which you don't agree with.

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posted on Feb, 12 2009 @ 10:41 PM
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Could you edit your link and instead of reuter leave the only the link cause I can't click it. I wanna see where this goes lol



posted on Feb, 12 2009 @ 11:02 PM
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If anyone had bothered to actually read the article, you would notice this little fact. She got into a car with someone that wasn't her husband/relative. This is a BIG no-no in Islamic countries.

She KNEW not to get in that car, but she did anyway. Their view (I presume) is that because she put herself in that situation, she bears some of the responsibility.



posted on Feb, 12 2009 @ 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by Hellish-D
Is anyone interested in learning about different cultures rather than vilifying and antagonizing them?


Well, isn't the country in question here ACTUALLY on the UN's Human RIGHTS COMMISSION!!!!

Cultures evolve!!!!!

Obviously some DON"T!!!

It seems to me, and a lot of people I do believe, that some stay stagnant!!!!!

There is no way that you can throw any kind of argument out that will convince the rest of the world (well, at least those of us on ATS), who's CULTURES actually evolved and became less BARBARIC, that this kind of RIDICULOUS and BARBARIC practice should be condoned in this time and age!!!!

What's taking them sooooooo long!!!!!

Why do theyy feeeeel this is justified!!!!!

Do you REALLY want to know the truth????

It's all about the man reigning all the power and the woman being a subservient!!!!

Or a slave!!!

And do you know WHY they have women in those countries cover their face and everything else?

Because they feel that men are weak, YUP, they are actually trying to DEFEND themselves from the seductive female, they make women cover their face or (in some cases) any part of her body will arouse the MAN enough that he is out of control and will be sexually aroused enough to do something he shouldn't!!!

THAT'S why these countries/religions have women cover themselves up!!!!

To make it easier for them (men) to walk around without being "AROUSED"!!

And God forbid, some woman shows a little skin or her face, well, it's open season for them!!!

And HEY, it's her fault, everybody knows we can't CONTROL ourselves!!!


Originally posted by Hellish-D
Being familiar with men outside of one's own family is disrespectful to one's family. Doing so dishonors oneself, and their patriarch.



Just like I was saying, the woman HAVING to be controlled!!!

God forbid she does something that will end up in the patriarch receiving less money for HIS "arranged" marriage of her for his profit!!!!


And in most cases, women are the ones who enact punishment for simple dishonors of the family.


And why would you think they would do that???

MAYBE out of FEAR if they didn't????



In the major cases, where the family name is majorly sullied, it falls on the patriarch to regain his family honor.



Yeah!!!!

The family/ "patriarch" can't make any money if one of their females are "TARNISHED"!!!

I just can't believe, even though I know it is now, that this sort of "culture/religion" still is alive and well in this day and age!!!

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posted on Feb, 12 2009 @ 11:20 PM
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This is maybe the most ridiculous thing I've read in a while. I pray that we find alternate energy fast so we can stop paying them.



posted on Feb, 12 2009 @ 11:22 PM
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I don't think these people are human. I really don't, (they're not human anymore at least).

And we should not discuss this as if it's a political issue, we should consider this to be an attack by evil entities.



posted on Feb, 12 2009 @ 11:33 PM
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There terrorists, and our governments are colluding (typo?) with them.



posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 12:01 AM
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I would laugh so hard if somehow the world did something about this, it would be so ironic if the UN actually did something more than bow and duck to false idealistic fallen trigger happy crazypeople. time to call team america in and help saudi women somehow. That part of the earth is the center of the destructive conciousness. Evil eminates from the heart of earth.

Humanity is fallen because it fails to recognise that which slowly undoes its binds that tie.

THis is one more soul that shed tears not war screams when she was killed if she was. All killing is evil. Intelligence and freedom are KING, CAPSTONE, AND DYNAMIC!



posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 12:08 AM
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Originally posted by phushion

Originally posted by Ownification
...under Islamic law it is not just the women who get's punished it is also the men for commiting adultery. If it was rape than it would be a whole different story. Rape means death penalty, and no not for the women but for the rapest...


Honnestly

2006 Case
Reuters

www.reuters.com...
7th paragraph down (link should work?).



The 19-year-old Shi'ite woman from the town of Qatif in the Eastern Province was raped by seven men in 2006. A court had originally sentenced the woman to 90 lashes and the rapists to jail terms of between 10 months and five years.


[edit on 12/2/2009 by phushion]

[edit on 12/2/2009 by phushion]

Agreed, that is a bad situation to get raped and than punished.


four were convicted of kidnapping and sentenced to between one and five years in prison and between 80 and 1,000 lashes, Human Rights Watch said.
From the Aljazeera Link.

I think you should put the blame on the Kings more so on the laws because it is the Kings who let such Judges make such absurd decision not based on the laws but based on personal feelings:


Very Important Note: In Islam, determining the case as a rape case is important and would mean the difference between life and death to the man. There is a difference between a rapist who is caught raping innocent children as shown in the article above, or someone who forcibly raped a woman beyond her will after stalking her, and someone went with his girlfriend on his boat (by her own will) to the middle of the sea, and spent the night there together, and she came back claiming that he raped her.



If a woman seems that she invited a man to have sex with her, or was willing to have sex with him and both went away and came back later, and then she claims that he raped her, and he denies that, then her case would be considered invalid, and both of them would be determined to have had illegal sex, and therefore, both of them would get punished for it. The point is that, women don't always determine the rape case. And the men's lives are not under the women's mercy. The woman has to be stalked and raped in order for her case to be considered a rape case.



Capital punishment, including public execution, is also prescribed for murder, rape, drug trafficking, armed robbery, apostasy and homosexuality.

www.churchofscotland.org.uk...



posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 12:25 AM
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Not having a go at you but its like the deeper the rabbit hole goes:



The woman has to be stalked and raped in order for her case to be considered a rape case


Rape is rape, stalking or not, it, ah, OMFG its stupid, how can you have a variety of conidtions of rape? it either happend or not, consent was either given or not, pretty darn simple.

'm'ff t' bed

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posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 01:36 AM
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Originally posted by phushion
reply to post by Ownification
 


Not having a go at you but its like the deeper the rabbit hole goes:



The woman has to be stalked and raped in order for her case to be considered a rape case


Rape is rape, stalking or not, it, ah, OMFG its stupid, how can you have a variety of conidtions of rape? it either happend or not, consent was either given or not, pretty darn simple.

'm'ff t' bed

[edit on 13/2/2009 by phushion]

I don't need to argue here much:


"So I went to the party, um, and we were basically on a date...and then it was one of those things, the next thing I knew, I woke up to being raped."

University of Virginia graduate, Annie Hylton's story isn't at all unfamiliar, date rape.

But, thousands of cases like this never make it to court. The problem is with the law. It doesn't know how to deal with cases where the accused and accuser know each other.

"People have a hard time accepting how it can go so wrong," explains Commonwealth's Attorney Dave Chapman. "They were together, they knew each other, why would someone hurt someone that they knew?"

Chapman says; in cases of date rape the evidence that is allowed in the case, can actually work against the victim, by upholding jurors' biases that they have about date rape.

"People bring with them prejudices that they have grown up to have and that includes prejudice against people who have put themselves in a vulnerable position," Chapman explains.

Date rape cases often involve alcohol, flirting, and sometimes promiscuous dress. All of which are evidence that many believe would lead to consensual sex.

But Claire Kaplan, a sexual assault counselor at UVA says, it doesn't matter what events lead up to the moment of consent...if a woman says no, she means no.



posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 07:27 AM
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I'll let you islam lovers defend this action I myself will just state these words

Religion of Peace!



posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 07:34 AM
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Originally posted by silo13
It’s not our culture.
It's also not our responsibility.
If American’s would pay more attention to what’s happening on her own doorstep and stop intruding into the lives and the customs of others - you know what- the NWO would have one hell of a lot harder job ahead of them globalizing the world.


lol, it will be your culture soon enough, as it nearly is here in the UK



posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 07:41 AM
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Lets not forget when a lady got beheaded for supernatural witchcraft:


Or this truly disturbing incident:
www.guardian.co.uk...

During a school fire in Mecca in March they reportedly drove back girls who tried to escape without wearing headscarves, and prevented male rescuers from entering the building on the grounds that they would be "mixing" with the opposite sex. Fourteen girls died in the blaze.

Yesterday Amnesty International was sceptical about the training programme. "Saudi Arabia's religious police have an appalling record of brutality and discrimination going far beyond failings with interpersonal skills," a spokesman said. "Their track record includes making violent and arbitrary arrests, subjecting women in particular to taunts and vicious beatings, and lashing out at people taken into detention.


I think the Saudi religious police have got a lot to answer for.

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posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 07:42 AM
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Originally posted by spitefulgod
I'll let you islam lovers defend this action I myself will just state these words

Religion of Peace!


Religion of peace meets culture of oppression. Culture wins every time. Religion will never change a culture. It will only give the culture a divine excuse for their actions.



posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 08:18 AM
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Isn't this ruling based on sharia law? Which if I'm not mistaken is religious at it's core.

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 09:23 AM
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Sharia law is the cultural interpretation of a religious text.

In order for this debate to continue in any intellectual manner, those participating need to learn the difference between religion, culture, society and nations. Then, understand the way they interact.



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