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posted on Feb, 11 2009 @ 02:05 PM
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I just had to share this with everybody. I know that not everybody is into country music, but you should check this one out. It echos what many of us has been saying about the greed that we have seen and heard about in this current recession.

Here is part of the lyrics


Cause in the real world there shutting Detroit down
While the boss man takes his bonus pay and jets out of town/
And DC’s bailing out the bankers as the farmers auction ground,
Yeah while they’re living it up on Wall Street in that New York City town,
Here in the real world there shuttin’ Detroit down.
They’re shuttin’ Detroit down.”


Well that old man’s been workin’ in that plant most all of his life
Now his pension plan’s been cut in half and he can’t afford to die
And it’s a crying shame, ‘cause he ain’t the one to blame
When I look down and see his caloused hands,
Let me tell you friend it gets me fightin’ mad


www.roughstock.com...

I don't know how to embed the video but here is the video link. I recommend you start listening at 1:50.

www.youtube.com...

It is really sad to see the conditions this Great nation finds itself in.


It should have never happened in the first place.


All I can do now is pray that it isn't too late to turn it around.




Mods-Please move if I put it in the wrong place.

[edit on 11-2-2009 by jam321]




posted on Feb, 11 2009 @ 02:09 PM
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Thank you for posting this, I typically don't care much for country but I like this song you recommend.

Good stuff, much wisdom and a groove to boot.



posted on Feb, 11 2009 @ 03:03 PM
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Your welcome. Heard it on the radio this morning and I swear it brought a few tears to my eyes just think about how many families were able to make a good living thanks to Detroit.

Detroit used to be a shining symbol of American Pride. I tell you it is a crying shame what has become of that place.



posted on Feb, 12 2009 @ 11:58 AM
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Hopefully, this song will open the eyes of some more people.

Thanks for posting this.



posted on Feb, 12 2009 @ 01:48 PM
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Originally posted by Swordbeast
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Hopefully, this song will open the eyes of some more people.

Thanks for posting this.


This will only open eyes if it is sent by word of mouth. This is not a message that the MSM wants to promote.



posted on Feb, 12 2009 @ 02:27 PM
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Hank Williams III just put out a new album late last year called "Damn Right Rebel Proud." It has a song on it called 'Workin Man' which was written and is sung on the album by Bob Wayne (one of III's backup guitarists). Here are the lyrics:

I woke up this mornin', kissed my wife goodbye
i pray to god that i'll make it home safe tonight
it's a dangerous job but i take that risk
i'll trade my blood and sweat just to feed my kids

i've been working for the man since a tender age
now a rich politician wants to lower my wage
pour me a drink so i can understand
these are the struggles of a working man

i work outside in the pouring rain
when it's cold as ice when i'm full of pain
it don't matter what i feel inside
as long as the job i'm working gets done on time
the boss man says works getting slow
pack up your tools boys and head on home
i pour another drink and try to understand
these are the struggles of a working man

(SPOKEN)
you see i work construction
i build things
do you understand how important that is to the world?
i don't know if ya'll realize what kind of pressure that puts on a man like me

i love my wife and i raise my son, best i can, better then some
i just found out the other day i got another little one that'ts on the way
i took a new job down at the factory, ya it don't pay much but at least we can eat
i roll up a smoke and think a new plan? (can't really hear that)
these are the struggles of a working man

went down to the river just the other day
got down on my knees and began to pray
i said lord please won't you understand
the struggles of a working man
these are the struggles of a working man


I watched my dad come within a hair of putting himself into the grave before he was 55 bustin hump every day, working multiple manual labor jobs for crap pay, and being subject to layoffs because they were all such unstable fields of work (construction, steel work, cowboying, oil fields, etc.) The old man always made damn sure of 4 things in life:
1. We always thanked God for what we had
2. We always had food on the table and a roof over our heads
3. We always knew he loved us
4. He always made sure that I saw everyday the toll that ohysical labor for a living puts on a man and made sure that I would go to college and get myself a degree that required me to only wear out my brain and afforded me a comfortable living and means to support my family when the time came for me to settle down.

At the time I didn't appreciate that from him. I always appreciated the pride he took in whatever job he was doing and I always appreciated everything he did for us, but I hated the constant "You're going to college." prodding. When high school graduation came around I had a chnace to take an entry level arc welder job for $13 an hour, pull cowhand work at a ranch down on the border for room, board, and $20K a year, or work on a drilling rig in the Gulf 3 months on, 1 month off, $35K a year. All 3 of those jobs were damned enticing for a kid from the dustbowl of New Mexico's bootheel. The potential money there made me see dollar signs and think about how rich I'd be. Instead he & my mom set up my reservation for NMSU's freshman orientation & new student sign up, drove me to NMSU, and sat there with me in a room full of pimply faced 18 year olds while they broke us up into whatever career path we wanted to go.

As they were working their way through the college of arts lists I made a snide comment about how I felt like a damn geek and he stood up and said "Outside, now." While I stood there outside with him I saw him disappointed in me and it made me feel like an ass. He gave me a speech about how if I wanted to do something with my life, my only path was through the doors of that school, not through the doors of some welding shop, ranch, or oil rig. He also told me about how hard his life had been and how part of the reason he'd been working so hard was so that I never would have to do that. I went back in with my head slung low, sat down, and when they called up the folks for Civil Engineering I had no freaking clue what the hell a CE even was, but saw that their sign had construction equipment and math equations on it, and since I'd always been good at math and liked the idea of building things I got up and went with that group. 5 years later when I graduated with my BSCE degree I saw my dad cry for only the second time in my life.

I typed that soliloquy to say this... I'm starting to see that the crap my dad had to go through to see that I wouldn't have to do the same has evolved in a little less than 15 years time. Now they've managed, through these (man I wanna freaking curse in this thread) bailouts to make sure that this generation's middle class, men & women, fathers & mothers, who have degrees and work with their brains rather than killing themselves through physical labor, will have to suffer just like past generations of middle class workers did. We enjoyed a decade or so where the middle class lived very well and for the most part there were few worries. A fearfull, tired population is an easier population to control, however. Thus we have manufactured terror and economic crisis to make sure that at the very least the majority of the population lives in a constant state of worry. Hell, now we even have the middle class worrying about even being able to feed their damned families. Is there any difference between worn out, crushed spirit, white collar workers who lose sleep over the economy and spend every waking hour worried that if they lose their job their family home will be foreclosed on and their kids will have to eat gov'ment cheese and the laborers of 30 years ago who wore themselves out physically and then spent the rest of their time worrying about what they'd do when the work dried up or how they'd manage to feed their family if they had a fall at work and had to take months off to recover without a pension or disabillity deferred comp? If there is, I don't see it.

I feel for all those who have lost their jobs. Hell, I feel for those whose children have lost their jobs even more. I talk with my dad almost daily. He tells me that he loses sleep worrying... not about him & my mom, but about me. He's worried about what would happen if this recession gets bad enough to claim my job and about the pressures that would put on my wife, myself, and our two little kids. I freaking HATE the government for that. The man is retired, almost 60, and has already had one bypass. He shouldn't have to worry about this nonsense, especially since he did everything in his power to make sure he would never have to worry about it. I find myself doing a lot of praying these days... I've reached the point where it's just about all I can do without losing my mind in the process.



posted on Feb, 12 2009 @ 03:48 PM
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I can relate.

My dad worked himself into grave also at an early age. He worked 3 jobs and we had to go to his late night job at the cab stand to spend time with him. The few days he wasn't driving the semi, working as a security guard or dispatcher at the cab stand he tried to make up his lost of sleep time in bed.

This was hard because we were always so glad that he was home that we often climbed into bed with him. I can remember a many morning waking up to him putting blankets on us and then returning to bed.

I don't think we invented the family bed but it was a bit of extra stolen minutes with our Dad.

We slept great.

I hope that he did too.



posted on Feb, 19 2009 @ 08:46 PM
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Thanks for embedding video and thanks to the rest of you for your replies.

Many people should hear this song. It stirs many emotions.



posted on Feb, 19 2009 @ 08:59 PM
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I don't care for country music, but that song really hit home. I hope it will be spread around and more people will get a chance to hear it. So many can relate to the words.



posted on Feb, 19 2009 @ 09:31 PM
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If I play it backwards will I get my Girl, Dog and Pick up back?

just kidding S/F



posted on Feb, 19 2009 @ 10:08 PM
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What is the conspiracy here that this belongs in ATS?
Take this to a country music BBS, it has no place here.
BTS material at best.

However, yes, lets talk about the plight of the poor downtrodden Detroit autoworker, who only made double what the average American did with less skill and education in most cases. The poor guys used to only get about a month and a half of time off a year including their personal, sick, vacation, holiday, and re-tooling time. They would only get better medical, pension, and other benefits then anyone I know. Once in awhile the union specialists even had to put down their cards, leave their cubbyholes where they hid all day, and work… OMG…

If these guys want to whine about what is happening to them, all they have to do is get up off their seats, and go look squarely in the mirror. They bit the hand that fed them, and they bit it hard. They felt entitled to that kind of treatment, often because it was second and third generation employees. Then when the company could not make a viable product they asked for MORE… They had a good ride, they rode it hard, and they hung it up wet, now the ride is over and they want to public to further fund their excessive salaries while they continue to produce cars that no one is buying. Heck, no one can afford to buy their excessively expensive disposable vehicles, other then the employees themselves, who get them on employee pricing.

Maybe rather then whine about losing their cushy jobs, they should be thankful for how good they had it, they should move on, and they should get jobs more akin to what the rest of their US customers have, while having to pay for the crap that they produced. The next time they land a nice job, maybe they will show some better work ethic, and appreciate what they have. They abused the system in which they worked every bit as much as the executives for those companies did, and now cry poor me to the rest of us. Gee, some of them might even have to sell that bass boat, their cabin up in northern Michigan, their time-share in Florida, their two snowmobiles, and live like the rest of us poor normal people for a while.

John Rich should feel ashamed for even writing that crap, he honestly thinks that the autoworkers deserve that kind of accolade opposed to other people in this world who know what true oppression is. Why not write about the plight of the Wal-Mart workers, the slave labor in China, Christians loosing their lives everyday in Africa, or the people starving in third world countries.
This crap make me sick...



posted on Feb, 19 2009 @ 10:22 PM
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Do you realize how many jobs depend on the auto industry? Factories workers who make parts for many of the autos don't get paid crazy amounts of money. My husband being one of them. So many businesses depend on the auto companies, and so many of those businesses are folding, or barely hanging on by a thread. It doesn't just affect Detroit, it affects all of the suburbs, and even the whole state.

When I heard that song, I was thinking of all the folks who lost their jobs because of the auto companies. My husbands job is hanging by a thread, just like a whole lotta other people who depend on the auto industries.



posted on Feb, 19 2009 @ 11:18 PM
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Originally posted by virraszto
Do you realize how many jobs depend on the auto industry?

Does it really matter? Just because they buy parts means that they should be allowed to abuse the system? Funny double standard we have here on ATS, because guess what, Wars generate more money/jobs then any other human endeavor, yet does that mean we should engage in more of them?

Besides this, if he works for a company that makes auto parts, they will continue to have to make auto parts even after the Big Three shut down. As long as those models of car are on the road there will be demand for replacement parts. If he makes parts that are used in the manufacturer process, then after Big Three close down, and are replaced by other companies who manufacture autos, then demand for line tooling stuff will increase again.

As an America, who understands the history of this country, I have a REAL SERIOUS ISSUE, with my tax money being used to support someone at full salary, who makes more then most of the rest of us, and who should be receiving unemployment like other non-autoworker unemployed people have to.

Here locally they just laid off most of the employees at a meat packaging plant that is most likely going to shut down a whole town in Florida. Disney is laying off workers, and vast amounts of jobs in this state are dependant on the entertainment industry. They also have subcontract businesses who support them, yet I don’t see any of them on here whining like I do the auto industry folks. So, if they are going to continue to support the autoworkers at full salary, while they are effectively unemployed, why shouldn’t the government provide full salary for everyone who is currently unemployed. Why should the autoworkers be special?

Welcome to United Socialist States of America.


Originally posted by virraszto
My husband being one of them.

I am sorry to hear that, but it changes nothing, and the fact is that the only reason you want to see the rules be different in your case, is because it directly effects you.


Originally posted by virraszto
My husbands job is hanging by a thread, just like a whole lotta other people who depend on the auto industries.

Ok, what about the people who work for the Aircraft manufacturers, the folks here who depend on the entertainment industry, the folks in Vegas who depend on the casinos, the construction workers who depend on home sales, etc. There are a lot of people out there hurting right now, and the only reason we are hearing so much about the auto industry is because they have the Union people out here spreading propaganda 24/7 since this started. Outside of Detroit and Ohio, the auto industry has little effect on the economy of this nation.



posted on Feb, 19 2009 @ 11:39 PM
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I didn't say I was for the union. I'm not! What I am saying is that a alot of other people are losing their jobs because of the auto companies. The unions are what ruin it for other people. Everyone deserves a decent wage, but when union members get paid 3-4 times as much as the regular joe while doing less, yeah, it pisses people off. You are right, the union workers have rode the gravy train for too long.

I'm saying it sucks for the people who's jobs depend on the auto industry, and that is not just the parts factories. It's the joe blow who owns a window company, or the joe who owns construction business,the restaurant owner, etc. These people are losing their jobs and blame the auto industry. The laid off union members don't spend money, which trickles down to lots of other businesses. If they had managed the big 3 better, they wouldn't be in this mess, but they are bringing Detroit and all the suburbs down with them.

I agree with everything you wrote in your first post.



[edit on 19-2-2009 by virraszto]



posted on Feb, 19 2009 @ 11:46 PM
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In fact, I have something else to say about this topic. When they asked for the first bailout, I stated quite clearly in a thread that if we gave it to them they would be back asking for more within a year….

Well it took them about four months…

This falls under the common logic of: “If you hand a man a fish, you will have to feed him again tomorrow, but if you teach him to fish he can make it on his own.”

These companies are continuing like its business as usual, and the salaries have remained constant even though they are not making any profit. They are making an unmarketable product, and cannot afford to change that because of their overhead. In reality, before they asked for tax dollars (any industry not just the automotive industry), they should have cut all the needless expenses first. That includes excessive benefits, and salaries more then double the national average. They should have put it to the employees, and told them: “We are losing money as a corporation, so effective immediately salaries will be adjusted to the national average, if you don’t like this, you know where the door is located.”

Personally, we had a major adjustment at my place of work, and I have maintained my salary for several years now without so much as a cost of living increase, simply because I knew that my company could not afford the extra overhead. I make slightly less then the national average for my line of employment, and I do not complain because I am thankful to have a job. That is called having a work ethic, something that many of these folks don’t seem to have, especially union ones.



posted on Feb, 19 2009 @ 11:50 PM
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By the way, talking of work ethic. My husbands hours were cut to 8 hours a day with no over time. He has spent almost every day of the last month working over those 8 hrs for free. He's got a job to do and will finish it, and even if it means he doesn't get paid, he wants to finish the job.



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 12:10 AM
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Originally posted by virraszto
I didn't say I was for the union. I'm not!

Believe me its not just the Union folks, though they are the worst of the bunch.
I have known non-union engineers who spend at least one day a week out golfing on the company pocket.


Originally posted by virraszto
What I am saying is that a alot of other people are losing their jobs because of the auto companies.

I agree with that, but again, depending on the service that the industry provided, they may not cease to exist if they manage themselves well. As I said, the companies who make parts, will still continue to make parts because replacement parts will be even more in demand. Other Auto companies will hopefully spring up in the void left by the Big Three, and they will also require support industry personnel.


Originally posted by virraszto
I'm saying it sucks for the people who's jobs depend on the auto industry, and that is not just the parts factories. It's the joe blow who owns a window company, or the joe who owns construction business,the restaurant owner, etc. These people are losing their jobs and blame the auto industry.

I am not disagreeing with this fact, however that is not only happening in Detroit nor in the Auto Industry. Here in Florida for example, we are dependant on five fields: Military support to Kennedy and various bases here, Healthcare, Entertainment, Construction, & Agriculture. Three of those fields are tanking ATM, that is a minimum of 1/3 of the jobs here gone (its actually worse then this because there are fewer people working in the remaining two then the other three). I don’t see anyone bailing out those industries, nor have I seen them ask to be bailed out yet. These companies are dying because of lack of consumer spending, not because of overpaying or abuse on the part of the companies (Florida has some of the lowest salaries around and has no effective unions as we have anti-union “Open House” laws here).


Originally posted by virraszto
The laid off union members don't spend money, which trickles down to lots of other businesses.

Well I am sorry to hear that, but welcome to the same lifeboat the rest of the nation is in. I find it kind of sad that they were so overpaid that the rest of the area was solely dependant on their spending.


Originally posted by virraszto
If they had managed the big 3 better, they wouldn't be in this mess, but they are bringing Detroit and all the suburbs down with them.

Again this is happening everywhere not just Detroit, there is not a single industry outside the Oil, Legal, and the Military Industrial Complex that is doing well right now. So why should Detroit get special consideration? I mean heck, look at what is happening in California.



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 12:20 AM
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You make a lot of valid points but the greedy auto workers and unions aren't the only ones who helped to destroy Detroit. IMO government played even a bigger role in destroying Detroit with their constant mandates and other BS they did. And no matter whether you look up the ladder or down the ladder everybody was profiting in the deal. However, I can't slam the workers for taking money that the company was willing to pay them.

When I was in a Union I was never privy to what went on in the talks the unions leaders had with the company officials. I don't know what kind of personal deals were made to get the union to accept the companies offer. All I knew is that the union told us that this contract is the best we can get and to vote for it. Even though I knew I was highly overpaid, I took the money because this is what the company felt they could afford to pay us and still make a profit. To turn it down would be ridiculous. Do you really believe A-Rod is worth 250 million? I don't but I think he would be a fool to turn it down.


Decades ago, the U.S. Justice Department ruled that Detroit could not tell its dealers to keep foreign brands out of their franchised showrooms. Does McDonald's sell Burger King Whoppers? Not in my neighborhood in New York. However, in the auto business the government said a Ford Motor (nyse: F - news - people ) dealer could sell Datsun--now Nissan (nasdaq: NSNAY - news - people )--in the same showroom.

This made it possible for the import brands to come over here and go into business without the huge expense and time to set up dealer organizations. It is worth noting that European governments did the opposite: They blocked dual dealerships for decades. That is one reason the Asians did not run the Europeans out of their home markets.


www.forbes.com...

As far as conspiracies, there are many conspiracies involved in Detroit. Who profited from ethanol? Who profited by letting the foreign competition take over? How many Congressmen/women wrote legislation because of lobbyist? How did the unions get so powerful? ETC.

As far as the song, IMO it hits home for me. I just don't see it as Detroit because I am seeing the same dang thing in my hometown. The top people are getting bonuses while the lower people who have bled many years for those companies are getting pink slips.

edit- I agree with you about no government freebies for Detroit. It is sink or swim time and more than that- SACRIFICE.

[edit on 20-2-2009 by jam321]



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 05:30 AM
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I'm reading 'Atlas Shrugged'. It's fiction that was written in the 1950's but honestly I think it's prophetic. If anyone wants to see why things in this country are in the economic mess that they are in, I highly suggest you read the book.

As my signature says .. Who is John Galt?



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