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Farmers up in arms at herb listing(UPDATED)

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posted on Feb, 11 2009 @ 07:59 PM
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Amidst all this, we have to look at Corn Syrup.

This disgusting product is used to fatten livestock. It also, because someone wanted to save a few pennies in processing, appears to be chock full of Mercury.

I really hope this is bogus, Because anyone trying to regulate Ginger and Garlic, while they let MSG by various names, and Breakfast Bars with mercury laced corn syrup be fed to my kids -- well, I don't think this move is very subtle.

I don't think many people buy the argument that pot is illegal because the government cares about public health -- give me a break. You get more thick-headed watching soap operas and eating fast food. The top athletes in the world (See; Michael Phelps) use this stuff and obviously, it doesn't harm performance.

If someone cared about our health -- why, we'd all have healthcare and a medical system that gave bonuses for making people healthier -- not giving more treatments to people after they get sick.




posted on Feb, 11 2009 @ 08:14 PM
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I think, in the final analysis, that our problem is one of trust.

We shouldn't trust these 'regulators' because they have proven - again and again - to be tools of the barons of industry, who have NO compunction about killing or sickening people, if their actuarial tables show profit.

Perhaps someday the notion of protecting the people will be taken seriously by future public servants. But I'm not holding my breath.

[edit on 11-2-2009 by Maxmars]



posted on Feb, 11 2009 @ 08:39 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia

I had a sore throat, whatever the doctor prescribed made me feel worse, or it lessened the symptons but replaced it with worse symptoms. I also had a congested nose, so they gave me a nasal pump and now whenever i blow my nose it bleeds.

So I took ginger, my throat was better in 2 days.



I once had an infected throat, i took all the herbal remedies you could think of, after two weeks there was no improvement, I took two anti-biotics and after one day there was a massive improvement, four days and it was cleared up.



posted on Feb, 11 2009 @ 08:49 PM
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Originally posted by Europe

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

I had a sore throat, whatever the doctor prescribed made me feel worse, or it lessened the symptons but replaced it with worse symptoms. I also had a congested nose, so they gave me a nasal pump and now whenever i blow my nose it bleeds.

So I took ginger, my throat was better in 2 days.



I once had an infected throat, i took all the herbal remedies you could think of, after two weeks there was no improvement, I took two anti-biotics and after one day there was a massive improvement, four days and it was cleared up.


Antiobiotics causes candida in the body and wipes out healthy bacteria in the gut which leads to candida. Antibiotics are over prescribed for things you can heal yourself. Natural remedies work on the inner level and your body is an intelligent self healing mechanism that cna take a while to heal.
Fast fixes with pharmaceuticals only hide the symptoms but never address the underlying issues like natural remedies can.



posted on Feb, 11 2009 @ 08:53 PM
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Your gonna have to show me the proof. All I can find is a thousand ads for cars, lol.



posted on Feb, 11 2009 @ 08:54 PM
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I believe monsanto and big pharma definately have a play in with this codex alimetarius taking place.
There is big business in keeping humans sick and this also makes for easier control off the people.
The way they can do this is to attack nature at its food source.
It makes me sick that companies like this are so greedy to have the blackest of black hearts in this world to cause destruction to not only people but nature itself and attack the source who made all this possible God.
They can try and own nature and destroy humans but they will never take our souls.

[edit on 11-2-2009 by Applesandoranges]



posted on Feb, 11 2009 @ 09:26 PM
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Originally posted by silo13
Every single day it’s another brick in the wall.
What we can do, and not do.
What we’re forced to do - or else.
What we can grow and eat, what we’re not allowed to grow, nourish and heal ourselves with.
If we’re allowed to care for ourselves and our families as we see fit - or commanded to do as the government rules.

Every single day another boundary is crossed, another right taken, another law imposed.

It’s headed in only one direction - total rule - without any personal rights what so ever.

I really wonder what the final straw will be before the collective camels back breaks.
And then if the camel will fight, or crawl along on four blooded stumps broken back and all.


peace


The Camel is gonna go thermo-nuclear on NWO ass when the # hits the fan.



posted on Feb, 11 2009 @ 09:46 PM
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Not sure if anyone has actually gotten this but the article states;



Department of Agriculture's director general, Somchai Chanarong insisted the new regulation and the draft would not affect the use of herbal plants in the country. Growers or manufacturers were required only to inform agricultural agencies when they produced herbal pesticide for commercialisation.


Farmers can still use them, but if you are going to sell the food you grow to other people, the government wants to make sure the pesticides you use are safe, even if they are natural. That said, I do not know what possible problems could be created by using these natural products, but i imagine there must be some issues. If anything this will just help spread the word that there is a cheaper and most likely safer methods than using inorganic chemicals.



posted on Feb, 11 2009 @ 09:50 PM
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This is an outrage! The government allows the selling of genetically altered seeds and food and are going to do away with herbs? My God, That is insane! I've been saying that a lot lately.



posted on Feb, 11 2009 @ 10:09 PM
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turmeric is considered a help with bird flu....

google it....stops the immune response (why it kills young folks with strong immune systems--body "overreacts " to the avian flu)



posted on Feb, 11 2009 @ 10:10 PM
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Im still going to grow it my garden..

I dont see why anyone would get so upset over something so stupid. If you wanna grow it, grow it.



posted on Feb, 11 2009 @ 10:41 PM
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Personally I think all the EPA reclassification of normal herbs & minerals to insecticides is probably an attempt to personally prevent us to cure ourself when big brother tries to test some biological chemical on us.

At first all this NWO & NAU stuff was all hipe but the way things read in the news, it not much longer before we are suppressed from our freedoms & rights.

I guess its time to start stockpiling supplies.



posted on Feb, 11 2009 @ 10:45 PM
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It looks like Thailand is a test run for this. Some years ago (I think it was Bolivia?) tried to ban people from using rain or well water without paying for it that didn't fly very well. Once they get a country to submit, the idea is to cultivate a peer pressure kind of buy in just like the smoking bans taking place in the US. It's conditioning for more and more fake authority. The truth is that people have no obligation to obey (at least in the western countries). It's a fake legal authority. The state has no authority to prevent the individual from smoking nor any authority of the feds to dictate crops. The Feds abuse and exaggerate the interstate trade "authority" of the feds. The don't have dictatorial authority in the US they misrepresent themselves and intimidate the state into submission. Hopefully these states that declare their sovereinty will state up to the Codex Alimentarius coming down the road. www.esoterictube.com...



posted on Feb, 11 2009 @ 11:07 PM
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I really have to say this codex stuff is blown way out of proportion. They aren't banning anything. They are just creating specifications to make sure supplements and vitamins are consistent world-wide and that they do make claims which can't be proved with scientific evidence.

I think it is a good thing.



posted on Feb, 12 2009 @ 12:32 AM
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in this day and age i honestly dont know how people can be so stupid as to believe all that natural bull crap, if natural remedies worked there would be absolutley no need for actual medicine, but guess what, there is a huge need, i doubt very much that any of ye natural healing believers have seen someone dieing from malaria or any other of the 100's of disease that are out there just waiting for you and your ginger tea to come strolling down the path, and BAM ebola to the face.

Q:Why did people die young from diseases before actual medicine was invented if all this natural stuff worked so well?
A:Because it does not work well.

where was all this natural stuff during the plague, or the spanish influenza?

I apologise for being rude, its just that when all of your children die from something totally curable like polio or something like that because there is not a natural alternative to the manufactured vacine then ye will have no one to blame but yourselves.



posted on Feb, 12 2009 @ 12:39 AM
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Yet another instance of perfectly natural harmless substances getting labeled dangerous while we hand out our toxic pharmaceuticals and artificial food...

And it keeps getting worse, now Carbon Dioxide, a building block and key entrant in the formula that keeps life thriving on this planet, is so terrible and awful its causing a Climate Crisis...

Pretty soon they'll be telling us Oxygen is really bad for us, and that we should hold our breath as much as possible to reduce our Oxygen footprint


Not sure if anyone brought this up, but could this be related to Codex Alimentarius?

Either way this is really a red flag... more and more regulations on the average citizens while the rich scumbags get billion dollar bail-outs and preferential treatment...



posted on Feb, 12 2009 @ 12:54 AM
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Originally posted by Europe
in this day and age i honestly dont know how people can be so stupid as to believe all that natural bull crap, if natural remedies worked there would be absolutley no need for actual medicine, but guess what, there is a huge need, i doubt very much that any of ye natural healing believers have seen someone dieing from malaria or any other of the 100's of disease that are out there just waiting for you and your ginger tea to come strolling down the path, and BAM ebola to the face.

Q:Why did people die young from diseases before actual medicine was invented if all this natural stuff worked so well?
A:Because it does not work well.

where was all this natural stuff during the plague, or the spanish influenza?

I apologise for being rude, its just that when all of your children die from something totally curable like polio or something like that because there is not a natural alternative to the manufactured vacine then ye will have no one to blame but yourselves.


BTW the author of the "study" that showed vaccines cause autism has been proven a fake. so this means millions of babies were not vaccinated over the past decade or so based on the claim to fame of some obscure scientist. guess what will happen to those adults if a small epidemic hits?...

i'm sure big pharma would love to have any alternative remedy banned but truth is that the vast majority of "natural remedies" sold in the western world are totally unregulated. that means that if you buy for example resveratrol or fish oil or even vitamins, there is no real regulation as far as the quality or concentrations of ingredients. just look at the B vitamin complex. it's 6000% RDA or even higher!

these "health food" corporations make a TON of money off unregulated stuff that they label as food and can sell to the consumer as such. i think there should be more regulation if you label smth as "remedy" or even sell it as anything else than a spice. at least put concentrations of active substances and potential harmful effects on it!

and as the above poster said, if natural remedies, known for thousands of years would have worked we wouldn't need any kind of medication and the life expectation of a person living from year 4000BC to 1900 AD wouldn't have been somewhere around 45 years or less. i mean seriously, there are today more people on this planet than ever and in the western world most live over 75 with a good quality of life.



posted on Feb, 12 2009 @ 01:46 AM
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You do realise that a lot of modern medicine is actually just synthesized natural compounds that were discovered in plants?

Aspirin and Morphine spring readily to mind.

The only difference is that we take an aspirin the ingredient that eases pain has been neatly packaged in little boxes by a big company.

Yesterday's Plants - Today's Medicine

Plants as Medicines



posted on Feb, 12 2009 @ 04:54 AM
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Originally posted by Europe
in this day and age i honestly dont know how people can be so stupid as to believe all that natural bull crap, if natural remedies worked there would be absolutley no need for actual medicine, but guess what, there is a huge need, i doubt very much that any of ye natural healing believers have seen someone dieing from malaria or any other of the 100's of disease that are out there just waiting for you and your ginger tea to come strolling down the path, and BAM ebola to the face.

Q:Why did people die young from diseases before actual medicine was invented if all this natural stuff worked so well?
A:Because it does not work well.

where was all this natural stuff during the plague, or the spanish influenza?

I apologise for being rude, its just that when all of your children die from something totally curable like polio or something like that because there is not a natural alternative to the manufactured vacine then ye will have no one to blame but yourselves.


Big pharma knows many natural cures that work but they cannot make money from it because its natural and free. Go to scientific studies on pubmed and you will find hundreds upon thousands of natural remedies proven to work that was studied but never came to the forefront.
Also some drugs have some natural plant compounds in it as mentioned by poster below.
There is many things in nature gone unnoticed because its free.
Your best bet to save you from long term illness is prevention. Eating alot fruit and veggies raw etc.
Rothschild started the drug cartel business when they sold oil(the first ever snake oil drug before the big pharma empire started) touted as a cure for cancer. Thats what they built. But Rrothschild himself was using alternative natural therapies and naturopathic type medicines and herbals when he started his drug empire. He did not use doctors but actually alternative practioners for himself and his family (go figure). This is why alternative practioners who have cured many people are actually kept in the dark and made out to be crooks so that people only go give their money to doctors.
Healing illness is a long term thing and what you are doing with drugs is only supressing the symptoms.



[edit on 12-2-2009 by Applesandoranges]



posted on Feb, 12 2009 @ 05:52 AM
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Something is definitely making people with any sort of power quite potty and frankly it is high time for university students to get very active in alerting the world to the bleak future we have unless someone takes these people in hand and explains to them that they are extremely unbalanced and in need of early retirement.



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