reply to post by THELONIO
if you had taken the time to learn, you would understand that being "secular" means that you have no bonds to any religion or spiritualism, that
does not mean that you deny the existence of a god, just that you feel no need to follow a system of belief
Wafa Sultan's translation is by MEMRI, they give routine mistranslations and it is dependent on whether they are after a particular meaning by
playing around semantics or take a literal impression . Sultan said that she is a 'secular humanist' rather than 'secular human being'. While in
Arabic the context defines the phrase, MEMRI ignored this however the meaning she intended was quite clear and her intent was to indicate an
What is a secular humanist;
Secular humanists are generally nontheists. They typically describe themselves as nonreligious. They hail from widely divergent philosophical and
Thus, secular humanists do not rely upon gods or other supernatural forces to solve their problems or provide guidance for their conduct. They rely
instead upon the application of reason, the lessons of history, and personal experience to form an ethical/moral foundation and to create meaning in
life. Secular humanists look to the methodology of science as the most reliable source of information about what is factual or true about the universe
we all share, acknowledging that new discoveries will always alter and expand our understanding of it and perhaps change our approach to ethical
issues as well. In any case their cosmic outlook draws primarily from human experiences and scientific knowledge.
She specifically said "I do not rely on gods or other supernatural forces", exactly word for word as in the front page of the Council for Secular
Humanism web page. This is an atheist philosophy.
how can they be a heretic by leaving a religion that they never joined?, to be born into a society/family that demands you follow their beliefs does
not (in this case islam) make you muslim, think about it.
How do you know what Wafa Sultan professed before she became an atheist? Regarding babies being born; in Islam babies and young children are perfect
innocence which is an idea opposite to fundamentalist Christians that believe they are born with sin in their hearts. In Islam religion is not for
them but as they grow Islam is taught. Nevertheless, it is safe to assume these infants and babies are Muslim. Whether you recognise their faith or
not, it is wholly your business and not theirs.
i shall repeat myself again, just because you do not subscibe to a religion, does not mean you deny the existence of a god.
I suppose that would be the same as calling one's self colonel yet having not been in the military. In the end that is your business and it is no
interest to me. You are the one that broached your belief in God.
many muslims regard people who do not subscribe to their faith as lesser people, pigs and dogs, this is unfortunately due to the hate preachers who
have hijacked the muslim faith and twisted the meanings and created their own interpretations of the writings within the quaran
You already said that and I previously responded. Although you are incorrect in your insistence that Muslims believe that Christians and Jews are dogs
and pigs, you really cannot demand it to be so.
Most believers of religions think their faith to be the true one, that's the nature of religion. Because of the nature of human beings, some will
declare they are superior to others of other religions because they are on the correct path. That is not a problem if there is tolerance with
i am not "such a proficient hater" , my comments are aimed at the people around the world who follow organised religions (cults), and force their
beliefs on the rest of us. if you think about it, do you think if there is a god, or gods, that they would appreiciate all of the things that have
been commited in their name/names.
Clearly you indicate you are an atheist since you said 'if there is a god or gods' yet you explicitly target organised religion while implying you
believed in God. How can we debate the nature of faith when you don't know your own mind or you kid yourself?
people like you are oh so typical on this web site, if i include a part of my post to say that i have no ill feelings towards people just the
religions that they follow, you will take that and turn it on its head and read it backwards, as if you are some kind of spiritual profit, wise up ,
read stuff, see things, but with your eyes open, and stop being so arrogant
Curious, why do you engage in discourse with people that irritate you? Also, I am not arrogant and enjoy reading about many subjects and speak quite a
few languages. I only appear arrogant to you as a consequence of your view of yourself.
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